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Posted by seawinde on Aug-05-2007 13:21:

What does PROGRESSICE mean in music

hi , i wanna know what progressive refer to ,

i hate HOUSE music , but i love progressive house , what is the addition that changed the genre

can u help plz


Posted by SYSTEM-J on Aug-05-2007 14:00:

quote:
Originally posted by dj_palm
to me it has something to do with progression in the track, it starts one place and go and go hopefully with a good drive, and ends up another place. but realy... almost all edm that builds to anything are progressive. so the most progressive genre must be older trance.

maybe


No, that's bullshit. A common misconception.

Progressive in music means "it furthers the sounds of the genre". It's music that claims to be forward-thinking.

In dance music, "progressive" was coined to describe the music of Leftfield, which was called progressive house because it broke away from contemporary house sounds. Leftfield implemented strong elements of dub and African music into their music, as well as punk, which was new and exciting at the time. Progressive house was originally house music that used new sounds or sounds from other genres.

Progressive trance followed, because it was a new type of trance distinct from the classic German sound. It had more cutting-edge production, more melodic influence and a different sound. It actually took a lot from progressive house, with artists like BT making progressive house that sounded more and more like trance.

Now, the use of "progressive" just means that the style claims to be forward-thinking within its genre. Note that the word comes from progressive rock in the 70s, which was all about taking rock music to new levels of production and musical complexity.


Posted by all-nite-freak on Aug-05-2007 14:03:

it means you need a dictionary


Posted by Massive84 on Aug-05-2007 14:05:

For me house/techno is pure groove and rythem.

Trance is an uplifting feel that gives you goosebumps when it builds good and explodes even better.

Progressive would be something that plays with my head. Makes me stoned in a way? Takes my mind from one point to another point which i can't predict. But the song is mostly repeating with nice soundscapes and deep basses and such.
In a way for me. good prog music is mysterious music that makes you think allot.

Great examples for me are

Andre absolut - Digital supsense.
Kaito - The Universe.


Posted by SMC on Aug-05-2007 15:18:

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
No, that's bullshit. A common misconception.

Progressive in music means "it furthers the sounds of the genre". It's music that claims to be forward-thinking.

In dance music, "progressive" was coined to describe the music of Leftfield, which was called progressive house because it broke away from contemporary house sounds. Leftfield implemented strong elements of dub and African music into their music, as well as punk, which was new and exciting at the time. Progressive house was originally house music that used new sounds or sounds from other genres.

Progressive trance followed, because it was a new type of trance distinct from the classic German sound. It had more cutting-edge production, more melodic influence and a different sound. It actually took a lot from progressive house, with artists like BT making progressive house that sounded more and more like trance.

Now, the use of "progressive" just means that the style claims to be forward-thinking within its genre. Note that the word comes from progressive rock in the 70s, which was all about taking rock music to new levels of production and musical complexity.



Precisely.


Posted by Mr.Mystery on Aug-05-2007 15:47:

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
which was all about taking rock music to new levels of production and musical complexity.

...and 15+ minute tracks


Posted by SMC on Aug-05-2007 16:26:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
...and 15+ minute tracks


...and stabbing the keyboard with a dagger.


Posted by Saint John on Aug-05-2007 16:41:

quote:
Originally posted by SMC
...and stabbing the keyboard with a dagger.
and suicide...


Posted by JakeC on Aug-05-2007 18:00:

quote:
Originally posted by Oreoh142
and suicide...


and hair


Posted by TweeK on Aug-05-2007 18:23:

and a pokemon


Posted by SMC on Aug-05-2007 22:34:

quote:
Originally posted by Oreoh142
and suicide...


Is that a fact?


Posted by Mr.Mystery on Aug-05-2007 22:42:

quote:
Originally posted by SMC
Is that a fact?

In his case, we can only hope.


Posted by Watts on Aug-06-2007 00:00:

Progressive is synonymous with "tantric". Take a progressive track, I will use Bedrock's "Walking on Fire", and pay attention to how it builds up but doesn't release significantly at any point. Very subtle.

With tantra you build up but postpone the release, and a lot of songs seem to follow this format (take a look at progressive psy).


Posted by thoughtlessjex on Aug-06-2007 01:38:

quote:
Originally posted by Watts
Progressive is synonymous with "tantric". Take a progressive track, I will use Bedrock's "Walking on Fire", and pay attention to how it builds up but doesn't release significantly at any point. Very subtle.

With tantra you build up but postpone the release, and a lot of songs seem to follow this format (take a look at progressive psy).



New genre, folks. Tantric House. See the compilation on shelves within the week.


Posted by nefardec on Aug-06-2007 01:48:

cough

sig mix


Posted by Clovis on Aug-06-2007 03:08:

Re: What does PROGRESSICE mean in music

quote:
Originally posted by seawinde
hi , i wanna know what progressive refer to ,

i hate HOUSE music , but i love progressive house , what is the addition that changed the genre

can u help plz



I love people who write off entire genres in one sweeping sentence.


Posted by cherrybarry on Aug-06-2007 04:20:

progessive is just a less gay version of regular house...i like both though


Posted by washout on Aug-06-2007 04:31:

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Progressive in music means "it furthers the sounds of the genre". It's music that claims to be forward-thinking.


while i cant exlude that definition, i go with another.
progressive music to me is music that increments elements as it goes on.
your definition, more popular or not, seems more about an idea than content.
i prefer using a definition that can be backed by content.
actually, i just refer to it as trance, or edm, to avoid the grey lines of this subject.
to all his/her own really.


Posted by Abhay on Aug-06-2007 04:53:

quote:
Originally posted by SMC
Is that a fact?



Oh yes. I've killed myself on numerous occasions.


Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Aug-06-2007 04:58:

quote:
Originally posted by washout
while i cant exlude that definition, i go with another.
progressive music to me is music that increments elements as it goes on.

So, basically all trance is "progressive," then?


Posted by washout on Aug-06-2007 05:08:

quote:
Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
So, basically all trance is "progressive," then?


haha not quite.
cant just put some bricks on eachother and call it a house.
get dirty.


Posted by nefardec on Aug-06-2007 05:24:

quote:
progressive music to me is music that increments elements as it goes on.


So.... basically, you're saying nearly 98% all music is 'progressive music'.


Did you come up with this on your own? Did someone tell you this? Where did this notion come from?

IF you really want to know I suggest asking people who have been buying records since the mid 90s, record store owners, important deejays. Find out where these labels were first used to describe or market the music. Don't just sit there and speculate and post rationalize..


Posted by Darkarbiter on Aug-06-2007 05:50:

quote:
Originally posted by washout
while i cant exlude that definition, i go with another.
progressive music to me is music that increments elements as it goes on.
your definition, more popular or not, seems more about an idea than content.
i prefer using a definition that can be backed by content.
actually, i just refer to it as trance, or edm, to avoid the grey lines of this subject.
to all his/her own really.

I've never heard of progressive as "forward thinking" although imo there is a very certain style that progressive implies. It meens the music is very anti chorusey... there are no progressive songs with a chorus. Agree with the qouted poster about it going up in increments as well. IMO this is very hard to describe... apart from the fact that progressive song's never have a chorus... and are very anti chorusey.

The only progressive stuff I've listened to is progressive trance and progressive psytrance or anything in between them.

So is progressive house basicly another way of saying future house?


Posted by nefardec on Aug-06-2007 05:59:

there's a difference between saying "progressive house" and "progressive" house, that is a difference between the genre and using progressive as a adjective which in turn has different meanings.

I think you're asking for trouble by asking the question as it relates to all music. Progressive is a loaded word used by different people in many ways.

the fact is there is a shitload of different styles of "progressive house". on one hand the older use of the term is used to describe a brooding, dark, grooving, sometimes almost tribal house like music that was very closely related to progressive trance (tarrantella & redanka, datar, baroque records, hooj tunes, bedrock, etc). now it can describe things like Guy Gerber & Shlomi Aber - Sea Of Sand, Anil Chawla - Jurassic Car Park, Octogen - CSide (Osaka Ultras Remix), etc

the basslines of prog house/trance are similar



in general - progressive house is house music that has been expanded to take on some of the sounds of trance and breakbeat - that is some progressive trance and progressive breaks sound just like progressive house tunes. tech house obviously takes on the sounds of techno. microhouse the sounds of minimal.

If you listen to like 2000-2002 era steve lawler, parks & wilson, sasha etc you'll see when there wasn't much of a line between progressive trance and progressive house


Posted by GoSpeedGo! on Aug-06-2007 06:18:

quote:
Originally posted by Darkarbiter
It meens the music is very anti chorusey... there are no progressive songs with a chorus.


Same goes for a lot of techno, house and also other EDM genres.


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