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I looked for the old thread but couldn't find it. So here's another for all you publicly-funded private school defenders to chomp on

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THE Catholic Church wants to discourage non-Catholic families from enrolling their children in its schools under a return to strict religious values. Church leaders headed by Cardinal George Pell yesterday issued an edict to all Catholic schools, demanding that students and their parents be more devout and outlining a plan to lure back thousands of poorer families who have left the system. The Church will not ban non-Catholic students from enrolment - it says it considered, but rejected, plans for a formal "downsizing to accommodate only those who are committed to the faith". But it wants to introduce a new four-way selection test to give preference first to children from the school's local parish, then to other Catholics, other Christians and finally children from other religions. The state's 585 Catholic schools have been urged to "re-examine how they might maximise enrolment of Catholic students". The edict also tells Catholic schools to increase the proportion of school staff who are "practising and knowledgeable Catholics". Catholic families will be urged to "maximise their participation". Students and younger teaching staff will be encouraged to take part in religious events such as World Youth Day. Faithful being 'watered down' Church leaders want more people at Sunday Mass and deeper involvement in the life of the local church by students and ex-students. Fears that the drift of Catholics away from the Church's schools is seriously "watering down" numbers of the faithful has forced Cardinal Pell and other Catholic leaders to take action in a bid to reverse the trend. Enrolment of students from a non-Catholic background in Catholic schools across the State has more than doubled to 20 per cent over the last two decades. In a rare pastoral letter, "Catholic Schools at a Crossroads", the Bishops of NSW and the ACT admit changes in enrolment patterns have "radically affected the composition and roles of the Catholic school..." The letter, with Cardinal Pell as head signatory, said: "Half the students of Catholic families are enrolled in state schools and a growing proportion go to non-Catholic independent schools. "Another enrolment trend of particular concern has been the decline in representation in our schools of students from both poorer and wealthier families." Church leaders pressured to downsize The letter reveals church leaders faced pressure to "downsize" the Catholic school system to include only students and staff who embraced the religion. But the bishops decided against such a radical change. Catholic schools educate about 240,000 students and employ 15,500 teachers across the state. Cardinal Pell was not available to comment yesterday, directing inquiries to the Bishop of Broken Bay, David Walker. Speaking at the launch of the pastoral letter at the Mary MacKillop Memorial Chapel, Bishop Walker said it was time to reassess the future of Catholic schools.

so its ok for the average, non-denominational mums and dads to fund religious education, as long as they do not wish to partake in it themselves

this idea is only acceptable if catholic schools decide they can fund their own facilities. fat fucking chance.

people piss me off.

Re: Private Schools

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN religion pisses me off.

fixed

actually I'm surprised with this, usually the Catholics are jumping at chances to convert the heathens

What is your opinion of private schools in general pkc?

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Originally posted by Trance Nutter actually I'm surprised with this, usually the Catholics are jumping at chances to convert the heathens

hahaha. good point!

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Originally posted by Beat Blog What is your opinion of private schools in general pkc?

im kind've in the middle really. I do appreciate that the private system takes the strain off the public to a certain extent. However it irks me greatly that tax payers that might not be able to afford to send their children to such schools help fund them anyway.

I also can't stand the snobby superiority complexes some children get from attending the more exclusive ones, and im shitty i didnt get to nail more than one of my sister's private school buddies.

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Originally posted by Trance Nutter actually I'm surprised with this, usually the Catholics are jumping at chances to convert the heathens

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN im kind've in the middle really. I do appreciate that the private system takes the strain off the public to a certain extent. However it irks me greatly that tax payers that might not be able to afford to send their children to such schools help fund them anyway.

Agree with you there. The figures are astounding when you think about it.

Take a standard 250 person year level in a "top" private school. Each student pays probably $20,000 a year. Assume that $10,000 of this goes towards excursions, sports, supplies and property renovations etc.

That means there's 2.5 million dollars left over per year to pay for teachers. If there's 25 teachers per year level (a very high estimate), that would mean each teacher gets paid $100,000 a year (bullshit).

Those calculations are without taking into account any government funding, so where the hell is all this money going?!!!

Meanwhile some state schools are struggling.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN I also can't stand the snobby superiority complexes some children get from attending the more exclusive ones, and im shitty i didnt get to nail more than one of my sister's private school buddies.

I'm glad you said "some children", a lot of people think all private school kids are like that.

I'm a private school graduate, and absolutely hated that bullshit elitist attitude that some kids had. How absurd to think that because you have money, you're better than anyone else.

On the other hand, there were families worth 100 million that I went to school with, and no one ever knew because the kids were as nice and as down to earth as is possible.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN and im shitty i lost my virginity to jake on the back of a moped

Catholic Schools are thinking of starting pre-school enrolments

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SYDNEY'S Catholic Church may run its own preschools as a way of bolstering its student population through primary and secondary schools and spreading the Catholic faith from "cradle to the grave".

Oh well, re-brain the bastards early...
I don't particularly like religions when they start messing around and indoctrinating people who are easily influenced, personally I think religion is something of a mental illness in that regard

i went to catholic school, in terms of them pushing religion on to you it's not that bad...

And even if they do get worse, kids these days are even bigger cunts than we were, so i don't think it'll matter much...

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Originally posted by Beat Blog How absurd to think that because your parents have money, you're better than anyone else.

fixed, imo.

lol @ "filtered down". don't sell religion you f*cks, teach it (to those that genuinely want to learn).

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN hahaha. good point! I also can't stand the snobby superiority complexes some children get from attending the more exclusive ones

I generally find the opposite. It's the people that didn't go to Private Schools who feel the need to to have those sorts of conversations.

i've never heard anyone brag about going to public school

Come to think of it i've never heard anyone brag about going to a Private School.

which is not what i meant anyway.

I mean it's people who went to public schools who always want to bring up first that they think people who went to private schools have some sort of superiority complex, when it is in fact their inferiority complex talking all along

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Originally posted by Dean Millson Come to think of it i've never heard anyone brag about going to a Private School. which is not what i meant anyway. I mean it's people who went to public schools who always want to bring up first that they think people who went to private schools have some sort of superiority complex, when it is in fact their inferiority complex talking all along

oh my

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Originally posted by Dean Millson Come to think of it i've never heard anyone brag about going to a Private School. which is not what i meant anyway. I mean it's people who went to public schools who always want to bring up first that they think people who went to private schools have some sort of superiority complex, when it is in fact their inferiority complex talking all along

haha i know i was kidding

i've never heard anyone brag about going to a fancy school either

i have however seen some pompous pricks come from private schools, which is i think what pkc meant as well

which i attribute to having too much money, and being spoilt shits, more than the actual school itself.

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Originally posted by Dean Millson I mean it's people who went to public schools who always want to bring up first that they think people who went to private schools have some sort of superiority complex, when it is in fact their inferiority complex talking all along

well, i dont think anyone here is gonna accuse me of having an inferiority complex

anywayz, my comments are just from personal experience, meeting my sister's friends etc. if you keep the same type of company, year in year out its almost inevitable that your viewpoints become somewhat stagnant when not confronted with diversity. but hey, maybe that's just the particular girls at the particular schools my sister attended.

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Originally posted by DJ_Ballistic i've never heard anyone brag about going to public school

oh, im pretty proud of the fact i attended a school that didnt use rape as a form of discipline.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN well, i dont think anyone here is gonna accuse me of having an inferiority complex

my comments weren't necessarily directed at you pkc, it was a general observation from my own experience.

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anywayz, my comments are just from personal experience, meeting my sister's friends etc. if you keep the same type of company, year in year out its almost inevitable that your viewpoints become somewhat stagnant when not confronted with diversity. but hey, maybe that's just the particular girls at the particular schools my sister attended.

Having 'stagnant viewpoints' is a little different than a superiority complex is it not?

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Originally posted by Dean Millson I mean it's people who went to public schools who always want to bring up first that they think people who went to private schools have some sort of superiority complex, when it is in fact their inferiority complex talking all along

hahahahah

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Originally posted by Dean Millson Having 'stagnant viewpoints' is a little different than a superiority complex is it not?

not if those "stagnant viewpoints" revolve around their superior wealth status; viewing those outside the "norm" as inferior. seen it many times. their almost universal disdain for the under-privileged and their lack of understanding fvcked me right off.

maybe ive just listened to too many snobby bitches in my time?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN maybe ive just listened to too many snobby bitches in my time?

nope. your right.

Damn right the private schools should receive government funding.
I went to private for all my education, except one year, and the difference is phenomenal. Private schools are way better in terms of the opportunities and resources you get. In a public school, the teachers dont give a shit if you slack off or are falling behind. Or if you are doing well, you still have to be around losers that arent.

A higher number of students from private go to university. Around 75% of my year.

And my family is far from wealthy, my parents still wanted us at private schools, and i'd do the same for my kids.

So all this publicly funded private school nonsense is stupid. We all publicly fund centrelink as well. And what are a lot of those people giving back to us?

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Originally posted by Dean Millson I mean it's people who went to public schools who always want to bring up first that they think people who went to private schools have some sort of superiority complex, when it is in fact their inferiority complex talking all along

Haha...in a way I agree with that, however, only someone who went to a private school would say that! Did you go to a private school Dean? I'm guessing yes.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN not if those "stagnant viewpoints" revolve around their superior wealth status; viewing those outside the "norm" as inferior. seen it many times. their almost universal disdain for the under-privileged and their lack of understanding fvcked me right off. maybe ive just listened to too many snobby bitches in my time?

In that regard, women are far, far worse than men.

The girls from our "sister" private schools were the biggest bunch of superficial snobs I've ever met, but not many of the bloke schools seemed to be like that.

By the way, when I say "private"; I'm referring to the twelve or so all boy schools in Melbourne established circa 1900.

Although any school mostly funded by the parents is technically private, I find that the attitudes and values of people who attend the newer schools such as Marcellin, Parade, Ivanhoe Grammar, St. Bernards, Salesian etc, are a lot closer to that of public school graduates than they are to the �snobby� clique from the inner Melbourne private schools.

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Originally posted by gumble So all this publicly funded private school nonsense is stupid. We all publicly fund centrelink as well. And what are a lot of those people giving back to us?

lol. Spot on!

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Originally posted by gumble Damn right the private schools should receive government funding. I went to private for all my education, except one year, and the difference is phenomenal. Private schools are way better in terms of the opportunities and resources you get. In a public school, the teachers dont give a shit if you slack off or are falling behind. Or if you are doing well, you still have to be around losers that arent. A higher number of students from private go to university. Around 75% of my year. And my family is far from wealthy, my parents still wanted us at private schools, and i'd do the same for my kids. So all this publicly funded private school nonsense is stupid. We all publicly fund centrelink as well. And what are a lot of those people giving back to us?

Are you on drugs????!!!!

Private schools are doing BETTER, so we should give them MORE money???

The money should be going to state schools so that they can improve and close the gap between the quality of education from the two, if, as you say, the education is better at private schools.

Have you thought about the fact that a lot of people can�t afford to go to private schools? Or don�t want to, even if they can afford it? (know a lot of people in this boat, and I don�t blame them)

Private schools may work wonders for some, but they don�t seem to have instilled you with masses of common sense.

hey guys, what school can I go to to play with my privates?

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