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Does anyone have a link to an RIAA-related article...

the one where it talks about how they are going out and attempting to regulate cover bands that play for free and fining them and the owner of the place they are playing at?

Other RIAA articles are welcomed as well, anything you find particularly interesting regarding their regulation of illegal proliferation of music. Yes, I'm doing a project for my college speech class and my final is over the RIAA and their over zealous campaign to end illegal music downloading/playing.

Thanks in advance.

Here's one:

http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pb.../707080343/1006

Don't know if this helps but http://www.afterdawn.com/news/ has some articles on RIAA and all they things they've been doing. Helps a lot if you put "RIAA" in the search field that can be found in the middle of that page.

sweet, thanks for the links

I hate those assholes. They specifically target people who can't afford their incredible lawsuits (i.e. broke college students) and then "settle" outside of court for a few thousand while everyone else gets off scot free. Fuckin' vultures

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Originally posted by Psionic I hate those assholes. They specifically target people who can't afford their incredible lawsuits (i.e. broke college students) and then "settle" outside of court for a few thousand while everyone else gets off scot free. Fuckin' vultures

To be honest, it seems they focus on broke college students who use outdated versions of Kazaa to download the latest Rihanna songs.

In a sense, we're safe.

Should I think downloading music for free be illegal? I'm not too sure honestly. I mean, the legal downloading of music doesn't accumulate much (if any) money for the artists, but doesn't it accumulate money for the record labels whom release the artist's material? Shouldn't the record label be compensated for the release? If free music downloading were made entirely legal, what would happen to record labels as we know them?

There will always be a market for tangible product (like vinyls, cds, etc.), but would that market be strong enough to survive if free music downloading were made entirely legal? I doubt it.

I am opposed to the stringent policing RIAA has induced. And overall, I am for the legality of it as it seems there's no real way to police it with any viable end in sight (just like a war on drugs), it also seems to bind human creativity on adapting what was made before. Case and point - the Amen Break.

Proliferation of ideas can, and will continue, but the cost and affect of it all is yet to be determined. All I know is that fining cover bands that play for free and the bars that host them is certainly over-stepping a somewhat diluted boundary. How long until after a night at a karaoke you receive a bill in the mail from the RIAA fining you for belting out Celine Dion while one of their operatives was in the vicinity?

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Originally posted by Ted Promo To be honest, it seems they focus on broke college students who use outdated versions of Kazaa to download the latest Rihanna songs. In a sense, we're safe. Should I think downloading music for free be illegal? I'm not too sure honestly. I mean, the legal downloading of music doesn't accumulate much (if any) money for the artists, but doesn't it accumulate money for the record labels whom release the artist's material? Shouldn't the record label be compensated for the release? If free music downloading were made entirely legal, what would happen to record labels as we know them? There will always be a market for tangible product (like vinyls, cds, etc.), but would that market be strong enough to survive if free music downloading were made entirely legal? I doubt it. I am opposed to the stringent policing RIAA has induced. And overall, I am for the legality of it as it seems there's no real way to police it with any viable end in sight (just like a war on drugs), it also seems to bind human creativity on adapting what was made before. Case and point - the Amen Break. Proliferation of ideas can, and will continue, but the cost and affect of it all is yet to be determined. All I know is that fining cover bands that play for free and the bars that host them is certainly over-stepping a somewhat diluted boundary. How long until after a night at a karaoke you receive a bill in the mail from the RIAA fining you for belting out Celine Dion while one of their operatives was in the vicinity?

Pretty much sums it up for me.
This is exactly how I feel about this!

Re: Does anyone have a link to an RIAA-related article...

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Originally posted by Ted Promo the one where it talks about how they are going out and attempting to regulate cover bands that play for free and fining them and the owner of the place they are playing at? Other RIAA articles are welcomed as well, anything you find particularly interesting regarding their regulation of illegal proliferation of music. Yes, I'm doing a project for my college speech class and my final is over the RIAA and their over zealous campaign to end illegal music downloading/playing. Thanks in advance.

Music distribution debate/Piracy Debate/ Artistic Compensation debate aside...


Nazis... Real Nazis...

The RIAA & ASCAP make it very difficult for some business to start up, with the high cost of licensing on the broadcast of music. I believe that the industry is shooting itself it in the foot by placing draconian restrictions on venues that are trying to promote their songs, whether through DJ-plays of whatever. I would think that being a representative body of the artists, that the association would put forth efforts to allow for more promotion of their assets, instead of over-charging people for the privelege to do so!

I also find it disheartening that out of my money spent on artist CDs and the like, maybe 6% of it (and I'm being generous here) will go to the artist him/herself? The foreign artists I like, such as Utada Hikaru, won't see a penny of my money either

One of these days I should just put a $5 check in the mail and send it directly to BT with a "Thanks for all the great tunes" note. He'll get more money that way than from me buying his whole back catalogue.

BTW Ted, your sig is SO NSFW

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Originally posted by Dojomaster26 maybe 6% of it (and I'm being generous here)

Actually, EXCEEDINGLY generous. In dance music (and I can only assume this can be applied to all other viable forms of music), the average artist sells their track to a label for a lump sum of money, generally up front. After that, they receive no more money at all from the record label whatsoever in royalties. All they may receive is extra promotion from the label which may bolster interest in their future productions or shows. This is why many producers also become djs since they can market shows and make far more money off of shows than they ever could as a producer (that is, unless you become a mover and a shaker like Ferry Corsten or someone of that ilk and can garner enough attention from your productions to make plenty of money from them and begin your own record label).

I'm still somewhat torn from my initial stance, however. Record labels do need to make their money, and illegal file sharing does tend to hinder that very outcome. In any case, RIAA and ASCAP are being highly over-zealous in their campaign against it.

As for my sig, that's the first NSFW complaint I've heard about it. Just turn it off I guess

for those interested, here's my rough outline so far. Not entirely sure if I'm doing it right so I'll find out tomorrow. Any information you think I should add would be MUCH appreciated, thanks!

http://www.sendspace.com/file/pwavo3

This thread gets me ready for college.

Hey Ted, what program do I use to open a .docx file? I tried Word, WordPad, and Notepad, all to jibberish

Frankly I'm surprised that people are still selling all of their song rights for one lump sum. I remember hearing about the producers of some of the classic 80s House songs, and the fact that Trax used to make retarded deals for all of those song rights. I heard that some of the artists (including Marshall Jefferson) were paid as little as $1000 for all the rights to their songs! That sounds more like extortion than fair licensing.

Record labels and artists alike need each other to survive (financially). I agree that the record labels need to make their money in order for the artists to keep being supported, but at the same time the labels need artists in order to make any money. The current business practices are very much geared AGAINS'T the artists. Its no wonder that so many producers are trying to start up their own labels.

Maybe if the artists were getting a more fair deal, and the consumers were getting a better value for their buck at the record store ($18 for a 1-disc CD?!?), then all three groups could find a good compromise to this whole mess. What we have right now is the record labels trying to squeeze as much money from the fans as possible, by taking royalties out of their artists' tours, charging insane amounts of money for MIDI ringtones (WTF?), and making sure ASCAP strongarms as many businesses who even chirp some shitty elevator music out of money.

I could write a lot about how I would change the current system, but I think I'll leave the rant for another post.

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Originally posted by Dojomaster26 Hey Ted, what program do I use to open a .docx file? I tried Word, WordPad, and Notepad, all to jibberish

Oh, you don't have office 2007 methinks. Lemme save it to a compatible 97-2003 format and j00 should be alright.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/dliyxb

there

Thanks for the new link (I have Office 2000 and 2003). Sorry I didn't post for a few days. I've been busy getting ready for finals of my own, plus two gigs next week!

For the paper itself, I would re-word/change a couple of things (IMO):

- on B: Programs used now, what is the purpose of telling the audience about these P2P networks? What's the "point" that you're trying to make as it relates to the RIAA and ASCAP? I think that taking speech time to describe how people pirate their songs is getting away from the main focus of the speech, which is to point out the flaws in the RIAA and ASCAP.

- I think section II should be moved up to the beginning of the speech. Give the audience the background information they need before you delve into your argument, so that they will be clear about who you are talking about up front instead of 4 minutes into the speech.

- The transition between II and III could be re-worded to sound better. Here's the original:

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Now that we know who they are, and what they do, and some of their many mistakes, let’s delve further into more of their mistakes, and the difficult area they are attempting to police.

and what I would change:

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Now that we know who the RIAA and ASCAP are, what they do, and how they've affected the record indistry, let’s discuss the mistakes they've made in combating P2P file sharers, and the fact that P2P is a difficult area to police.

because A and B there are talking exclusively about indivual incidents where the RIAA messed up their P2P lawsuits. C looks like it could be separated into its own main section.

- I think IV is a very strong argument. Make sure you focus on the fact the without the Amen Break we would not have most of our music today. You can make this point drive home by relating the Amen Break to a genre that the audience cares about (read your audience and see if they'll respond better to a Hip-Hop example or a Breaks example,etc.)

- V is going to raise some questions from the audience. Namely, you will probably be asked about the fact that without record labels, how are artists suppused to become well-known outside of a local area? Someone will probably have questions asking about how radio could survive without record labels pushing records for their play. You are going to have to come up with answers to these, and fit them into your solution. Because your solution is a bit extreme you will have some tough questions asked about the specifics of the solution, so be prepared.

Personally I would disagree with your proposed solution, because I see record labels as a necessary evil in order to bring the fans and the artists together, and to keep the business part of music alive. Artists need creative freedom, but they also need to put food on the table at the same time. I think there can be a solution that will even the field between the labels and the artists, and that will ultimately benefit the fans.

- Part V, section 4 could be moved up to an earlier part of the speech. It seems weird to talk about the current problem right after proposing your solution.

Oye Ted

That was my thread . If you still want it: http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=426113

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