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Do pro DJ's Standardize the BPM on there CD's??

I just recently stood Behind tiesto last week at Rehab in Vegas and I swear I never saw him adjust his pitch once. I was just wondering if and how common it was for DJ's to run there tracks through some kind of BPM standarization software and then burn them to CD. (for instance burning all your CD's at 133.333 BPM) so they can realy never mess up?? If this is common practice what kind of software do you think the pros use as to not lose any sound quality? I know this might be a lazy aproach, but you know sometimes I have a couple of cocktails behind my decks. Thanks for any knowledge anybody can drop on me.

It's tiesto - he doesn't mix, he just waves his arms about while a pre-rec CD plays. See peter hook for more info.

it's been discussed before...a lot of DJ's use ableton to make their own personal edits and just find it easier to export all at the same tempo so it just ends up being that way. also I've found (when I used to mix trance/uptempo) that a large portion of tracks are at ~~138.5BPM the same way a lot of house tracks are at 130.

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naming no names....

But yes some of the AAA list ones do

Ableton edit your whole set? I don't reckon. More likely pre-rec CD.

Go on, name some names. I don't know of any others....

*cough*BT*cough*Darude*Cough*ATB*Cough

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Originally posted by Freak er naming no names.... But yes some of the AAA list ones do

**cough** Morillo **cough cough**

I don't even export my edits at the same tempo (always use the original)

Eh, its easy enough to match a track on CDJs with the BPM counter anyway. I don't see why people are still paying to see "DJ"s like Peter Hook cheat on their mixing.

Peter Hook in particular is a real shame because he used to do bass for New Order. All his DJing is doing is tarnishing that musical history. If you can't mix then at least play the set Lerry Levan style instead of putting a pre-rec CD in...

Eddie Halliwell definitely does this as well

You can't give Larry Levan stick - have you tried mixing without even having pitch control on your turntables? But I know what you mean....

Peter Hook (and we really don't need another lengthy thread on this) played bass in New Order. Wow. Why does that give him an instant high profile DJ career?

It's called cashing in on your past success.

*cough*Oakenfold*cough* (on both counts).

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Originally posted by DJ RANN You can't give Larry Levan stick - have you tried mixing without even having pitch control on your turntables? But I know what you mean.... Peter Hook (and we really don't need another lengthy thread on this) played bass in New Order. Wow. Why does that give him an instant high profile DJ career? It's called cashing in on your past success. *cough*Oakenfold*cough* (on both counts).

*cough* Tommy Lee *cough*

just one more of the many to add

I'm not dissing Larry Levan at all. Quite the opposite actually (hes one of my favorite DJs, and he definately is a major influence for me). If he can get the Paradise Garage packed and jumping on little to no mixing but the best track and mood selection, then why are DJs still striving for perfect mixing when its their programming that needs to be improved?

What I'm saying is: If you can't mix, don't fake it. Program the set right, and you'll get people to move regardless of the mixing, and I'll have more respect for you as a DJ than if you just played a pre-recorded mix...

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Originally posted by Dojomaster26 Eh, its easy enough to match a track on CDJs with the BPM counter anyway.

That's just not true, if you mix a tune at 130.64bpm, you're display will tell you you're either on 130 or 131. So what about 130.01, 130.02, 130.03, 130.04 etc etc?? You still need a good ear for that if your mixing is to sound tight.

Jarv

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Peter Hook (and we really don't need another lengthy thread on this) played bass in New Order. Wow. Why does that give him an instant high profile DJ career?

+1

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Originally posted by Jarvmeister That's just not true, if you mix a tune at 130.64bpm, you're display will tell you you're either on 130 or 131. So what about 130.01, 130.02, 130.03, 130.04 etc etc?? You still need a good ear for that if your mixing is to sound tight. Jarv

yea but its really a breeze...

bad boy bill as well, it's easier to pull off what he does with beatlocked tunes



also, quick grammar lesson

there = location - i'm going over THERE

their = possesive - do pro djs standardize the bpm on THEIR cds?

they're = contraction of they are - THEY'RE taking their cds and going over there

if english is your only language, at least know how to use it properly, plskthnxbye

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Originally posted by Jarvmeister That's just not true, if you mix a tune at 130.64bpm, you're display will tell you you're either on 130 or 131. So what about 130.01, 130.02, 130.03, 130.04 etc etc?? You still need a good ear for that if your mixing is to sound tight.

Do you really encounter much of those? I find that most modern music is composed with a whole number BPM.

Anyhow, as far as this is concerned... it is sad if true. But even in the case of DJs using Ableton or other tools and maintaining a constant BPM... what is that? A good set needs dynamism; it needs to change over time.

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Originally posted by basilisk Do you really encounter much of those?

I don't check, I just whack it on and use my skills to beatmatch.

Proud to be able to mix with discipline.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN You can't give Larry Levan stick - have you tried mixing without even having pitch control on your turntables? But I know what you mean.... Peter Hook (and we really don't need another lengthy thread on this) played bass in New Order. Wow. Why does that give him an instant high profile DJ career? It's called cashing in on your past success. *cough*Oakenfold*cough* (on both counts).

Hey Rann,

I used to feel the same way about Oakenfold until I opened up for him. Apparently he only plays one or two gigs a month now and has allegedly found a new lease of life. That night he totally blew the roof off the place. In comparison to a lack luster PvD a few weeks later who was like watching paint dry in comparison, come to think of it was like watching paint dry in comparison to anyone with a half decent idea of what a dance floor needs. PvD is the worlds most over rated DJ in my opinion, gets too much credit for not really doing anything in particular. Only really memorable track he's done is For An Angel and that's a little past it's sell by date me thinks...

Pete Hook on the other hand is like a bad smell who just wont seem to go away, he turns up in every freaking thread now he he.

Nem now quickly rushes to put his asbestos underpants on as he feels he may be inline for the flamethrower onslaught.

With regards to original question. Yes... many DJs are doing it, but then we should really be more concerned with the output in terms of selection and flow and not too concerned about beat matching. Hmmm sounds similar to the Ableton arguement doesnt' it. F*ck it, if it sounds good, people happy, then it can't be wrong can it? As long as the DJ is actually mixing...

Cheers
Nem

Surely theres nothing wrong with noticing all your tunes are 139, 138, 141, 142 and standardising them to 140 when you burn to disc?
Using a pre recorded mix is another thing however.

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Originally posted by Tony Morello bad boy bill as well, it's easier to pull off what he does with beatlocked tunes also, quick grammar lesson there = location - i'm going over THERE their = possesive - do pro djs standardize the bpm on THEIR cds? they're = contraction of they are - THEY'RE taking their cds and going over there if english is your only language, at least know how to use it properly, plskthnxbye

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Originally posted by RJT **cough** Morillo **cough cough** I don't even export my edits at the same tempo (always use the original)

does he really, honestly why? its so easy to beatmatch..

still like him though, he is the only person i know that can make a party out of nothing.

Don't know if he still does, but he used to a bit.

Though again as Nem pointed out, it probably doesn't really matter at all - if you've got flow, you've got flow.

I really don't get how people tolerate this yet will talk smack about a guy using ableton.

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Originally posted by Clovis I really don't get how people tolerate this yet will talk smack about a guy using ableton.

Mm-hmm. I can understand doing it if you're using 3+ decks and constantly swapping out tunes, but outside of that I think it's a useless practice. Beatmatching isn't hard, and if you're a "pro" then you should have it down pat. Yeah, make an edit of a tune in Ableton, that's fine. Don't go and match all of your tunes ahead of time.

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Originally posted by Tony Morello bad boy bill as well, it's easier to pull off what he does with beatlocked tunes also, quick grammar lesson there = location - i'm going over THERE their = possesive - do pro djs standardize the bpm on THEIR cds? they're = contraction of they are - THEY'RE taking their cds and going over there if english is your only language, at least know how to use it properly, plskthnxbye

Good to see someone enforcing.

The internet is letting the English language go to shit.

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