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Posted by Dr. DAS on Aug-15-2007 14:23:

Street Racing

I'm curious as to what everyone thinks about a proposed change to the Highway Traffic Act. The Ontario government has proposed an expanded definition of street racing that would charge even solo drivers who exceed the speed limit by more than 50km/h.

In the spring, Premier McGuinty enacted tougher street racing laws that increased maximum fines to $10,000 and permitted police to seize cars for up to a week.

Nearly 40 people have died in the GTA since 1999 because of racing.


Posted by Cosmic Fur on Aug-15-2007 14:37:

Disagree. 50 over is really not that much - if you were racing, you'd be over far more than that. In July, I got busted doing 130 in an 80. It was through Algonquin Park, on Saturday morning (so there was no one else on the road). I know when I drive recklessly, and that wasn't it. 100 over the limit sounds more accurate to nab street racers, not just speeders.


Posted by kaniz on Aug-15-2007 14:53:

Good move I say.

Really, once you start pushing 30km/h over the speed limit regardless of where you are, its starting to become reckless driving, especially once you start getting mixed in with people who are driving the speed limit, and the old-fogies who are going under it.

There is no reason to be going 50km/h above the speed limit, and IMO - you deserve what you get for going that fast.


Posted by ChemEnhanced on Aug-15-2007 14:58:

I agree completely......if you are doing 50 km/hr over the speed limit you are a danger to everyone on the road. IMO....if you are caught doing more then 50 km/hr over the speed limit you should have your licence taken away permanently.


Posted by exstasie on Aug-15-2007 15:23:

quote:
Originally posted by Cosmic Fur
Disagree. 50 over is really not that much - if you were racing, you'd be over far more than that. In July, I got busted doing 130 in an 80. It was through Algonquin Park, on Saturday morning (so there was no one else on the road). I know when I drive recklessly, and that wasn't it. 100 over the limit sounds more accurate to nab street racers, not just speeders.


+1

I call that bullshit.



I know a lot of people here do 150km/h on the 400 series highways when it permits.

Hell, a lot of time the flow of traffic in the fast lane is going at least 150km/h. So if the flow of traffic was goign this speed, would everyone be pulled over and charged with "street racing"?


Posted by Sasha on Aug-15-2007 15:26:

150 on a highway is nothing!
100 in a 50 zone, yeah, different story


Posted by kaniz on Aug-15-2007 15:29:

150km/h on the highway is too much. It'd be one thing if the speed limit was 120-130 and the majority of the traffic was moving at that speed. But when the limit is 100 - having people going 50/over is too fast.

Going 20-30 over is fine, especially if most traffic is moving along at that speed anyways, but 40-50 over is pushing it.


Posted by Dr. DAS on Aug-15-2007 15:34:

Obviously there will be some discretion left to the officer.

If you're weaving through lanes on the 401 at 150km/h, that's a lot different than going 130km/h on some back road up in the sticks.

Also, keep in mind that the majority of speeding tickets issued have already been reduced one grade (ie: getting stopped doing 120km/h in a 100km/h zone and getting cited for 115km/h)at the time of citation to mitigate the number of people who fight speeding tickets and force the officer into court on days off and time that could be spend on patrol.


Posted by Jayx1 on Aug-15-2007 15:38:

I agree with the charge. I disagree with confiscating and crushing people's cars. The government should NEVER have the right to do that. It's just one more step toward becoming a totalitarian state,


Posted by ItalianPoiSon on Aug-15-2007 15:39:

quote:
Originally posted by Sasha
150 on a highway is nothing!
100 in a 50 zone, yeah, different story


+1

Street Racing is with 2 or more cars ripping down a highway/road way.....
its dumb u dont race ur self(except time attacks)......


Posted by DigDeep on Aug-15-2007 15:45:

Coming from someone who has been ticketed (and summoned to court) for speeding (154km/h on the 400) - I'm all for it.

I was younger, more careless, and drove like I owned the fucking road. After that, I still ended up getting two more tickets shortly there after. By the following year, I had 5 tickets on my record and was in jeopardy of losing my license with a 6th.

After that, I was paying $4000 for insurance (every six months).

Enforcing something like this will just give younger dickwads (like myself at that age) more to think about when they push the pedal to the metal, therefore less likely to put others in danger.


Posted by Orko on Aug-15-2007 15:46:

Re: Street Racing

quote:
Originally posted by Dr. DAS
Nearly 40 people have died in the GTA since 1999 because of racing.


OMG 40 whole people? The number of other problems which have killed more people are endless. Lets take care of those first.


Posted by DigDeep on Aug-15-2007 15:50:

Re: Re: Street Racing

quote:
Originally posted by Orko
OMG 40 whole people? The number of other problems which have killed more people are endless. Lets take care of those first.


Yeah, hardly a huge number - but still.... that doesn't include the number of seriously injured, vehicle damage, traffic jams, road rage, etc. 50km over is too much, no matter where you're driving. Sasha makes an obvious point that 100 in a 50 is much worse.... but I don't think 150 is justifiable on any highway, at any time.


Posted by Zentac_75 on Aug-15-2007 15:51:

quote:
Originally posted by Jeff Button
Enforcing something like this will just give younger dickwads (like myself at that age) more to think about when they push the pedal to the metal, therefore less likely to put others in danger.


asking speeders to stay below 50k/h over isn't too much to ask.


Posted by Dr. DAS on Aug-15-2007 15:57:

Re: Re: Street Racing

quote:
Originally posted by Orko
OMG 40 whole people? The number of other problems which have killed more people are endless. Lets take care of those first.


I'm sure if it was your family or friends who were killed by some douchebag you would feel very differently. 40 may not sound like a lot, but they are completely senseless and completely avoidalbe.

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1I disagree with confiscating and crushing people's cars. The government should NEVER have the right to do that. It's just one more step toward becoming a totalitarian state


Who said anything about crushing? The cars are confisctaed for one week(if you read my post...or the article). And I think you're wrong.
Driving isn't a right, it's a privilige, that's why we have licences (and graduated licencing), to ensure you know how to safely operate you vehicle. You endanger others, you lose that privilige. I think one week to cool off is perfectly reasonable.

quote:
Originally posted by ItalianPoiSon
Street Racing is with 2 or more cars ripping down a highway/road way.....
its dumb u dont race ur self(except time attacks)......


I would say that time trials and/or just seeing how fast your car will go absolutely counts as racing. Racing is just the umbrella term here.


Posted by tobywan on Aug-15-2007 15:59:

quote:
Originally posted by Cosmic Fur
Disagree. 50 over is really not that much - if you were racing, you'd be over far more than that. In July, I got busted doing 130 in an 80. It was through Algonquin Park, on Saturday morning (so there was no one else on the road). I know when I drive recklessly, and that wasn't it. 100 over the limit sounds more accurate to nab street racers, not just speeders.


The fact that you're trying to justify excessive speeding in ANY manner (no matter where it takes place), makes you a retard.


Posted by Sasha on Aug-15-2007 16:01:

Re: Re: Re: Street Racing

quote:
Originally posted by Jeff Button
Yeah, hardly a huge number - but still.... that doesn't include the number of seriously injured, vehicle damage, traffic jams, road rage, etc. 50km over is too much, no matter where you're driving. Sasha makes an obvious point that 100 in a 50 is much worse.... but I don't think 150 is justifiable on any highway, at any time.


it also depends HOW u drive. i meant.. doing 150 on a highway, staying in one lane when there is not many cars around, especially at night... i mean, Come on! there is a difference between RACING or just DRIVING fast but carefuly!

if they worry about our safety on the road they should ban certain races and genders from driving! sorry, but an Asian chick doing 40 in a 60 zone can cause more problems than most of the people who go 160 on a highway


Posted by tobywan on Aug-15-2007 16:01:

quote:
Originally posted by Sasha
150 on a highway is nothing!


Tell that to the family and friend's of the Truck Driver who was killed earlier this summer from two fucking idiotic drivers, and see what kind of reaction you get.

Sorry, but driving in any sort of reckless manner just touches a nerve with me...highway laws exist for a reason people.


Posted by Sasha on Aug-15-2007 16:04:

quote:
Originally posted by tobywan
Tell that to the family and friend's of the Truck Driver who was killed earlier this summer from two fucking idiotic drivers, and see what kind of reaction you get.

Sorry, but driving in any sort of reckless manner just touches a nerve with me...highway laws exist for a reason people.


agreed, i just explained myself a little bit better above.


Posted by tobywan on Aug-15-2007 16:07:

quote:
Originally posted by Sasha
agreed, i just explained myself a little bit better above.


I saw that, and I understand your clarification.

However, how many people that do drive 130/140/150 have even the option of staying in the same lane for an extended period of time at any given time of day? Eventually you're gonna have to change lanes to get around the car that will inevitably be in front of you, right?


Posted by Dr. DAS on Aug-15-2007 16:07:

quote:
Originally posted by tobywan
The fact that you're trying to justify excessive speeding in ANY manner (no matter where it takes place), makes you a retard.


I agree. Let's face it, at one time or another we all push the envelope a little. However, you need to be aware that what you're doing is illegal and accepth the repercussions of your actions.
If I walk around with something illegal in my pocket, I have nobody to blame if I get caught, and I fully understand the risks and penalties associated with it.

As for you knowing when you're driving recklessly - that's not up to you. Just because you are in control of your car doesn't mean you're in control of the million other variables such as changes in road conditions, mechanical failure, cars turning out of hidden intersections or driveways or - especially in Algonquin - an errant moose walking out into the road. The stopping distance, reaction time and kinetic energy afforded between 80km/h and 130km/h is signifigant.


Posted by Sasha on Aug-15-2007 16:09:

quote:
Originally posted by tobywan
I saw that, and I understand your clarification.

However, how many people that do drive 130/140/150 have even the option of staying in the same lane for an extended period of time at any given time of day? Eventually you're gonna have to change lanes to get around the car that will inevitably be in front of you, right?


as long as they do it carefuly, as long as they think about other drivers sharing a road with them I dont see a problem.


Posted by Superstring on Aug-15-2007 16:10:

quote:
Originally posted by tobywan
The fact that you're trying to justify excessive speeding in ANY manner (no matter where it takes place), makes you a retard.


+1.

You put _my_ life in danger when _you_ are racing or doing 130 in an 80. I'm against that - therefore, F-off. No excuses.


Posted by DigDeep on Aug-15-2007 16:15:

While we're on the topic of driving - how about they start handing out tickets to the fucktards who are doing a buck-five in the passing lanes who refuse to move due to their strange obsession with driving in the left lane!? FUCK YOU ASSHOLE - STAY OUT OF THIS LANE UNLESS YOU ARE PASSING FUCK!

It is idiots like this who force some drivers (like myself) to unnecessarily change lanes (sometimes weaving) to get by.


Posted by exstasie on Aug-15-2007 16:19:

quote:
Originally posted by Jeff Button
While we're on the topic of driving - how about they start handing out tickets to the fucktards who are doing a buck-five in the passing lanes who refuse to move due to their strange obsession with driving in the left lane!? FUCK YOU ASSHOLE - STAY OUT OF THIS LANE UNLESS YOU ARE PASSING FUCK!

It is idiots like this who force some drivers (like myself) to unnecessarily change lanes (sometimes weaving) to get by.



I don't want to start that argument...but

+111111111111111111


I hate those fucking retards who think they can control the speed limit by going slow in the fast lane. They'll end up causing more accidents that not.


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