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Posted by l�cid on Aug-20-2007 17:55:

favorite keys to mix

i'm not entirely sure why this is, but i get such a turn on whenever i mix stuff in the key of E minor. when i key out my tracks and realize that my favorite tunes are in that key i just get so excited. obviously mixing anything that's harmonically compatible with that sounds good too, but for some reason E minor is my favorite. B minor is probably a close 2nd.

does anyone else have any favorite keys? or combinations of compatible keys?


Posted by david.michael on Aug-20-2007 17:58:

Re: favorite keys to mix

quote:
Originally posted by l�cid
i'm not entirely sure why this is, but i get such a turn on whenever i mix stuff in the key of E minor. when i key out my tracks and realize that my favorite tunes are in that key i just get so excited. obviously mixing anything that's harmonically compatible with that sounds good too, but for some reason E minor is my favorite. B minor is probably a close 2nd.

does anyone else have any favorite keys? or combinations of compatible keys?


I've never really noticed a pattern between songs I like and their keys to notice if there is a pattern. I've never paid much attention either. Might be interesting for me to start taking note of it.


Posted by Omega_Blue on Aug-20-2007 18:06:

dork!

A, D, G (all minor). don't ask me why.. i like Ab too. a lot of my favorite tunes just happen to be in those keys though, so it's natural that i like to mix within them.


Posted by RJT on Aug-20-2007 19:06:

Definitely don't - for me it's more in what specific combinations of keys sound like, but I haven't noticed any preference at all for a specific key.


Posted by nefardec on Aug-20-2007 22:55:

i have a massive amount of c g and d minor for some reason.

my favorites though are c#m, f#m, and bm.

it sounds absurd to say but it's true. I find that a lot of my c#m tracks are especially emotional, which is why the last track i made is in that key.

may be a mild form of synaesthesia, i don't know


Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Aug-21-2007 01:57:

most of my fave tunes are in 8A or 2A.


Posted by Hasneez on Aug-21-2007 05:18:

quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
most of my fave tunes are in 8A.


Posted by ClearWater on Aug-21-2007 05:53:

different scales and modes inpart a different set of emotions... some are dark, some are uplifting, sad, happy, whatever... the Greeks had that all figured out thousands of years ago.

But that said, I really don't find particular keys interesting so much as the relationships between them and what happens when you go from one key to another during a mix.


Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Aug-21-2007 10:11:

quote:
Originally posted by ClearVision
But that said, I really don't find particular keys interesting so much as the relationships between them and what happens when you go from one key to another during a mix.


yeah, i reckon -3 on the wheel thingy make the sweetest sounding mixes


Posted by Ryan0751 on Aug-21-2007 12:38:

OMG you people are putting WAAAAAAY too much thought into harmonic mixing. This has become a fad and it's out of control.

I know LOTS of really, REALLY great local DJ's who don't "mix in key" by the formula and their mixes are amazing.

It's tool, not a rule. Hey that rhymes.


Posted by nefardec on Aug-21-2007 13:06:

This isn't about harmonic mixing, this is about favorite keys. besides that there is a lot more to key mixing than picking complementary tracks. For instance I often try to end in a key similar to where I started because I feels it gives a more cohesive feel to the entire mix and a sense of finality and closure.

if you deny the importance of key in a composition you're denying hundreds of years of music


quote:
different scales and modes inpart a different set of emotions... some are dark, some are uplifting, sad, happy, whatever... the Greeks had that all figured out thousands of years ago


while that's true, it also has a lot to do with intervals.

if you read on synaesthesia and music you'll see that some synaesthetes associate colors even with individual intervals. All of us however are affected differently by changes in intervals.



Also it should be said that not all keys are tuned naturally. Basically the changes in frequency are not proportional in all keys and are not scientifically 'perfect'. The experience of emotion as 'different' might have something to do with this degree of imperfection?


Posted by SPAWNmaster on Aug-21-2007 13:35:

i've been listening to 12-tonal composition and it absolutely messes with your emotions...i'll soon be applying this technique to my productions for effect...as for my favorite keys C#m, Gm and A major.

as far as what Adam is saying, I don't find it hard to believe that as we open up our perception through producing or other means we become borderline synaesthetes. When you think about it, getting into that mode where your left and right cerebral hemispheres are working at the same time all kinds of aural phenomenon can take place (and in fact there have been various threads in the production forum about such things).

personally I find that in the past year or so, I've been gradually making associations between tones, frequencies, chords and keys with tactile feelings, kinesthetics, emotions and bizzare associations that I cannot even explain that I feel is a direct result of really getting INTO sound itself.

as a sound sculpturist i think we have an appreciation for the depth of sound as it is. an example of this is the other day i was conversing with my flatmate and he started to respond to me...but in place of hearing the words filtered and formulated and identified by my brain, i heard the sound as it truly is, just a matter of noise, unfiltered by perception and I had to ask him to repeat himself. this could just be me tripping out but im making my point.


Posted by l�cid on Aug-21-2007 15:01:

quote:
Originally posted by Ryan0751
OMG you people are putting WAAAAAAY too much thought into harmonic mixing. This has become a fad and it's out of control.

I know LOTS of really, REALLY great local DJ's who don't "mix in key" by the formula and their mixes are amazing.

It's tool, not a rule. Hey that rhymes.

like Adam said, this thread isn't about harmonic mixing. i was just curious if anyone else had this extreme appreciation/obsession for songs that are in certain keys.


Posted by Ryan0751 on Aug-21-2007 16:00:

Haha, it's just a little weird.

What about eastern music that's not in A440? Whoa. Discuss.

quote:
Originally posted by l�cid
like Adam said, this thread isn't about harmonic mixing. i was just curious if anyone else had this extreme appreciation/obsession for songs that are in certain keys.


Posted by Omega_Blue on Aug-21-2007 16:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Ryan0751
OMG you people are putting WAAAAAAY too much thought into harmonic mixing. This has become a fad and it's out of control.

I know LOTS of really, REALLY great local DJ's who don't "mix in key" by the formula and their mixes are amazing.

It's tool, not a rule. Hey that rhymes.


wow, you missed the point of this thread. and the claim that harmonic mixing has "become a fad" is outrageous.


Posted by l�cid on Aug-21-2007 17:01:

quote:
Originally posted by Ryan0751
Haha, it's just a little weird.

that's why i started this thread - to see if there's any other weirdos like me out there.

we have enough threads with people bitching and debating about harmonic mixing. go find one of those if that's what you wanna do.


Posted by Ryan0751 on Aug-21-2007 17:47:

Shame / Disagreement

Oh come now... sure it's a GREAT tool and it's nothing new... but it's a "fad" because now those that can't be bothered to learn anything about music theory can pump their tunes through a program and assume that it'll make them a good DJ.

I've never noticed any trends in the keys of tracks I play. I only buy and play "good" music. Is that a key?

quote:
Originally posted by Omega_Blue
wow, you missed the point of this thread. and the claim that harmonic mixing has "become a fad" is outrageous.


Posted by Allayla on Aug-21-2007 18:26:

As much as i pay attention to keys and all im not sure i can relate to this thread.


Posted by ClearWater on Aug-21-2007 18:29:

quote:
Originally posted by Ryan0751
Oh come now... sure it's a GREAT tool and it's nothing new... but it's a "fad" because now those that can't be bothered to learn anything about music theory can pump their tunes through a program and assume that it'll make them a good DJ.

I've never noticed any trends in the keys of tracks I play. I only buy and play "good" music. Is that a key?


For harmonic mixing, I might agree with you... there are probably folks out there who key their tunes, only select tunes that are unison/fifth/fourth, because it will make the mix easier on them... so they end up lazy while claiming that they are using music theory to enhance their mixes.

What we are talking about here is not that however.


Posted by DiscoStew on Aug-21-2007 18:31:

quote:
Originally posted by Ryan0751
I only buy and play "good" music. Is that a key?


It certainly should be.


Posted by Ryan0751 on Aug-21-2007 19:35:

Love Poundin' Sensation

We aren't huh... how would you know the keys of your tracks if you weren't keying them? And the only reason you'd be keying them would be if you were mixing harmonically

Which is why I said I've never noticed a trend on track-goodness to keys.

And the title of the thread is "favorite keys to mix".

So I fail to see how this thread doesn't relate to harmonic mixing.

Bitching about it, probably not

quote:
Originally posted by ClearVision
What we are talking about here is not that however.


Posted by Kaveh on Aug-21-2007 19:58:

This thread doesn't make any sense ;Q


Posted by ClearWater on Aug-21-2007 21:29:

quote:
Originally posted by Ryan0751
We aren't huh... how would you know the keys of your tracks if you weren't keying them? And the only reason you'd be keying them would be if you were mixing harmonically

Which is why I said I've never noticed a trend on track-goodness to keys.

And the title of the thread is "favorite keys to mix".

So I fail to see how this thread doesn't relate to harmonic mixing.

Bitching about it, probably not


I think we have a disagreement re: what harmonic mixing means... As far as I know, its mixing between keys that are resonant with your tonic... unison, perfect fifth and perfect fourth...

The simple act of keying your tracks could mean you intend to mix harmonically, OR you might apply a bit more music theory and realize that you can create alterations in the energy/mood of a mix by changing to keys that are not resonant, but go up or down X semitones. That is not harmonic mixing however...

What's being talked about here is how certain keys affect you emotionally. Certain keys apparently appeal to certain people, and the thread starter was just asking what everyone's favorites were.


Posted by Ryan0751 on Aug-21-2007 22:01:

Why are we still talking about this?

quote:
Originally posted by ClearVision
I think we have a disagreement re: what harmonic mixing means... As far as I know, its mixing between keys that are resonant with your tonic... unison, perfect fifth and perfect fourth...

The simple act of keying your tracks could mean you intend to mix harmonically, OR you might apply a bit more music theory and realize that you can create alterations in the energy/mood of a mix by changing to keys that are not resonant, but go up or down X semitones. That is not harmonic mixing however...

What's being talked about here is how certain keys affect you emotionally. Certain keys apparently appeal to certain people, and the thread starter was just asking what everyone's favorites were.


Posted by l�cid on Aug-22-2007 00:30:

quote:
Originally posted by Ryan0751
Why are we still talking about this?

because you didn't care to listen the first time someone pointed out that a discussion about favorite keys =/= a discussion about harmonic mixing.


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