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> Live performance - de-layering tracks or what??
ive been watching video footage of live performances of The Chemical Brothers @ Red Rock, and Underworld @ Cocoon, and i was thinking:
(they fuckinggg ROCK!!!!!!!)
well, how do they prepare their live performance? how do they play their tracks "live" when those tracks already exist recorded and complete
i mean, how do they decide what elements in the track should be played live (pads, synth riffs and stuff) and what thing are left prerecorded and just mixed into the whole sound.. they cant just repeat the whole track from scratch i.e. utilizing the drumbox, synths, bass machines, effects and all at the same time, no way..
what do you think???
If they are pro they would play it all from scratch (probably extremely difficult to do though).
They probably use something like Ableton
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| Originally posted by s3nate They probably use something like Ableton |
I'm afraid I think the Chems are all pretty much prerecorded now - I saw them about 2 years ago and they were awesome, don't get me wrong, but the whole show felt a bit too preplanned to be very live, if at all.
All of the graphics on screen fitted too perfectly with the sound etc.
If it wasn't pretty much prerecorded, then it was all rehearsed to the nth degree with the VJs, lighting teams etc
As I say, fucking spectacular show, I'm not trying to slate them at all - it was wicked and I'm seeing them again in December, very much looking forward to it! But I doubt that much of it is live.
if you watch the everything everything dvd you'll notice they're routing everything through their mixing console
all they're doing is muting and un-muting channels as elements come in and leave the song
new song, they open up a new set of elements and have at er again
pretty simple and effective
abelton is not the answer for everything, sorry to burst your bubble
do you think its possible to play say "Two Months Off" totaly from scratch (excluding the female vocal ofcourse)?
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| Originally posted by RJT I don't know what Underworld is doing now, but in the days of the "Everything, Everything" DVD, their setup was a lot more than just Ableton |
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| Originally posted by blacknoizybox do you think its possible to play say "Two Months Off" totaly from scratch (excluding the female vocal ofcourse)? |
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| Originally posted by idoru What do you mean, "from scratch"? |
exactly
www.livepa.org
check it out for info on live sets
As an amateur producer myself, I've always wondered just how much of a live set is actually live. I've seen above & beyond play a live set. They had all their fancy equipment but the tunes sounded exactly like the pre-recorded version so I was and am very suspicious as to how much really is live.
Mind you, have you seen the Moby closing set at Glastonbury...fuck me!
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| Originally posted by G-Con As an amateur producer myself, I've always wondered just how much of a live set is actually live. I've seen above & beyond play a live set. They had all their fancy equipment but the tunes sounded exactly like the pre-recorded version so I was and am very suspicious as to how much really is live. Mind you, have you seen the Moby closing set at Glastonbury...fuck me! |
side note - anyone know how daft punk does their live sets?
a while back i got an mp3 of their set at coachella in 06. then i got to see em live at lollapalooza this summer. very. very. VERY disappointing. granted, it was still fun to see them, but the set i saw sounded nearly exactly like the set that i had heard from a year ago...
also, it seemed fishy that in their giant triangle/booth thing they dj in, there was never any video shows on the projectors of them actually doing anything.
i had heard that they use abelton. now im beginning to think otherwise. any ideas on this one?
http://www.customessayhelp.com/daftpunkpyramid.html
Check that out - its inside the pyramid, with a description of what is used.
Daft Punk def use ableton. I have seen them on the 2006 tour (coachella) and also in 2007 and have multiple sets i've downloaded, ahd followed some of the threads on a couple ableton forums as well as reading some interviews.
The following is my guess after using ableton and thinking about their set and what they say (not to say its my own original idea, its just what I have been thinking about).
I think they have all the parts laid out in session view, and they trigger them with the BCR.
- The synths are used for tweaking, as they say, and effects are through the synth and through ableton
- My guess is they have a template (each set is exactly the same except for length of songs, effects, EQ, etc). They trigger the samples as they go. Its possible they may have gotten lazy and lay some things out in arrangement view, but I haven't really looked into it closely.
There are some people who are really skeptical that Daft Punk does much of anything at all, others who think they are doing a ton.
The video cordination was always an issue, but apparently they have power to control it in the box as well.
By the way, how do you like that new encore mashup - human-together-one more time?
EDIT- ONE MORE NOTE:
Either way, the set itself is probably so easy for Daft Punk to pull off. To the average Ableton user and in the huge crowd atmosphere it would be a challenge, but its nothing particularly challenging. The impressive feat was conceptualizing, designing, and finalizing the set to the point that it really blew away everyone at coachella. And I guess as they play more and more, and everyone is getting a chance to see them, they are losing some of the mystique
oh my jesus...
the inside the pyramid thing looks fucking awesome.
so.. for now, i guess they just found a system that works and are sticking to it.
the wierdest setup for live performances i've seen - only 4 synths and all the same... i expected a variety or stuff from Virus, Nord etc.
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| Originally posted by blacknoizybox the wierdest setup for live performances i've seen - only 4 synths and all the same... i expected a variety or stuff from Virus, Nord etc. |
Having seen Daft Punk twice now, my theories are as follows:
-Their overall set has been the same because
a) It was so fucking badass that I honestly believe there is no way in hell they could possibly top it (musically), and thus:
b) If they tried to do a new and different set each time using only their relatively limited discography, they would probably disappoint a lot of people at their shows who had seen the Coachella videos and heard the recordings and had certain expectations.
c) Each song in their discography has a certain set of visual elements and patterns that go along with it, and that obviously requires at least some degree of pre-planning and coordination (there are 10 people, including Thomas and Guy Manuel, that run their live show).
-They are definately not just pushing play on a sequencer and pretending to control the sound. For one thing, Daft Punk has done live sets before in the 90's. They obviously know how to do it. Also, having listened to the Coachella recording countless times, and then having seen them again at Berkeley last month, there are definately differences that you can tell are being done live. They probably are using a template, though.
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| Originally posted by nrjizer ... seen the Coachella videos... |
I'm sure Daft Punks live sets are pre-layered sessions in Ableton. They have a handful of Lemurs that they use to manage the session itself. A lot of their homework and discovery album uses the Voyager synth so I'd predict that they use it to automate pre-recorded midi signals already in Ableton.
I highly doubt they cook up everything in real time.
And to be honest, the virus/nord aren't that amazing synths.
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| Originally posted by Kazinator |
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