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Posted by dutas on Aug-24-2007 23:14:

channels question

do i really need 4 channel mixer or 2 is fine?

im goin to use 2 cdj's


Posted by PlayerLac on Aug-24-2007 23:22:

if you are only using 2 cdjs then i would strongly recommend that you find a 12 channel mixer. You need it. :

...yes...a 2 channel mixer is fine unless you think you're gonna upgrade in the future to add more units (i.e. turntables or another 2 CDJs.)


Posted by MERiDiAN5i2 on Aug-25-2007 01:57:

I'm a fan of the 3-channel boxes when you are using two main mix sources, be it tables or CD decks. The third channel can be handy, such as to hook up a computer or other audio source into the mix. It gives you a path for some expansion without going all the way up to 4 channels.

The other plus is it seems most of the 3-channel boxes are in the same price class as the 2-channel boxes, while the 4-channel boxes are usually a bit more, as they often have all sorts of other jazz you dont need or want.


Posted by dutas on Aug-25-2007 02:47:

quote:
Originally posted by MERiDiAN5i2
I'm a fan of the 3-channel boxes when you are using two main mix sources, be it tables or CD decks. The third channel can be handy, such as to hook up a computer or other audio source into the mix. It gives you a path for some expansion without going all the way up to 4 channels.

The other plus is it seems most of the 3-channel boxes are in the same price class as the 2-channel boxes, while the 4-channel boxes are usually a bit more, as they often have all sorts of other jazz you dont need or want.


Posted by dutas on Aug-25-2007 02:47:

quote:
Originally posted by MERiDiAN5i2
I'm a fan of the 3-channel boxes when you are using two main mix sources, be it tables or CD decks. The third channel can be handy, such as to hook up a computer or other audio source into the mix. It gives you a path for some expansion without going all the way up to 4 channels.

The other plus is it seems most of the 3-channel boxes are in the same price class as the 2-channel boxes, while the 4-channel boxes are usually a bit more, as they often have all sorts of other jazz you dont need or want.


Posted by dutas on Aug-25-2007 02:48:

quote:
Originally posted by MERiDiAN5i2
I'm a fan of the 3-channel boxes when you are using two main mix sources, be it tables or CD decks. The third channel can be handy, such as to hook up a computer or other audio source into the mix. It gives you a path for some expansion without going all the way up to 4 channels.

The other plus is it seems most of the 3-channel boxes are in the same price class as the 2-channel boxes, while the 4-channel boxes are usually a bit more, as they often have all sorts of other jazz you dont need or want.



what 3 channel mixer are you using?


Posted by MERiDiAN5i2 on Aug-25-2007 02:58:

youch @ triplepost :P

Allen&Heath Xone32, probably a bit more $$ than you want to spent but a nice box


Posted by dutas on Aug-25-2007 03:05:

quote:
Originally posted by MERiDiAN5i2
youch @ triplepost :P

Allen&Heath Xone32, probably a bit more $$ than you want to spent but a nice box


Posted by dutas on Aug-25-2007 03:05:

quote:
Originally posted by MERiDiAN5i2
youch @ triplepost :P

Allen&Heath Xone32, probably a bit more $$ than you want to spent but a nice box


Posted by dutas on Aug-25-2007 03:06:

quote:
Originally posted by MERiDiAN5i2
youch @ triplepost :P

Allen&Heath Xone32, probably a bit more $$ than you want to spent but a nice box


Im thinking of getting djm 400, any thoughts?


Posted by dutas on Aug-25-2007 03:07:

sorry for the double posts,something is wrong with my keyboard!


Posted by miamitranceman on Aug-25-2007 03:11:

quote:
Originally posted by dutas
Im thinking of getting djm 400, any thoughts?



Do a search and you'll find some threads about it.

I've got one and love it. It's about the best you can get for a 2 ch. mixer in terms of sound and build quality. I hear the Ranes are nice too.


Posted by dutas on Aug-25-2007 03:29:

quote:
Originally posted by miamitranceman
Do a search and you'll find some threads about it.

I've got one and love it. It's about the best you can get for a 2 ch. mixer in terms of sound and build quality. I hear the Ranes are nice too.


I read that djm 400 is way better then xone 32, is that true?


Posted by MERiDiAN5i2 on Aug-25-2007 05:45:

DJM400 better than the Xone32? Funny.

It doesn't even have balanced outputs, a record out, or a booth output. It's an entry-level bedroom mixer, unsuitable for use at a venue. That puts it in the "toy" class... Or in pioneer's marketing terms, "entry level"... Which is fine if you don't plan on it ever leaving your bedroom, I suppose.

At $550 (from guitar center, maybe you can find it for less online?) It's also grossly overpriced for a 2-channel toy. I think I might cut myself before I spend that much on a 2-channel box that doesn't even have proper connectivity to do much with.


Posted by miamitranceman on Aug-25-2007 06:09:

quote:
Originally posted by MERiDiAN5i2
DJM400 better than the Xone32? Funny.

It doesn't even have balanced outputs, a record out, or a booth output. It's an entry-level bedroom mixer, unsuitable for use at a venue. That puts it in the "toy" class... Or in pioneer's marketing terms, "entry level"... Which is fine if you don't plan on it ever leaving your bedroom, I suppose.

At $550 (from guitar center, maybe you can find it for less online?) It's also grossly overpriced for a 2-channel toy. I think I might cut myself before I spend that much on a 2-channel box that doesn't even have proper connectivity to do much with.



The 400 a toy? While i'll admit the connections out are lacking for a club, it's not the end all be all and it certainly doesn't characterize it as a toy.


Posted by MERiDiAN5i2 on Aug-25-2007 07:01:

Toy noun [toi] - something that serves for or as if for diversion, rather than for serious practical use.

Nothing wrong with toys. I suppose I'm just not rich enough for a $550 toy


Posted by Stu Cox on Aug-25-2007 08:27:

quote:
Originally posted by MERiDiAN5i2
DJM400 better than the Xone32? Funny.

It doesn't even have balanced outputs, a record out, or a booth output. It's an entry-level bedroom mixer, unsuitable for use at a venue. That puts it in the "toy" class... Or in pioneer's marketing terms, "entry level"... Which is fine if you don't plan on it ever leaving your bedroom, I suppose.

At $550 (from guitar center, maybe you can find it for less online?) It's also grossly overpriced for a 2-channel toy. I think I might cut myself before I spend that much on a 2-channel box that doesn't even have proper connectivity to do much with.

I don't think many clubs would install a 32 either.

They're both at the smarter end of the home-use range of mixers - I wouldn't call either a toy and I don't think they're necessarily "entry level" either. More a case of being suitable for just about any DJ who just wants a simple mixer to practice on at home, amateur or pro (bear in mind not all pros do 3 or 4 deck mixing with fx all over the shop - a lot of them could practice on the simplest of boxes if they like!)... the sound quality's resonable enough on both of them, you could even just use them as a phono stage to play some records at home!


Posted by Fl@k Monkey on Aug-25-2007 13:13:

Thats a bit closed minded calling it a toy don't you think? So some people can't afford $1k+ mixers and that means there not serious about there mixing? meh

I think you forget about what DJings about, Some people i know have started out on some of the WORST gear possible.. And now you hear about those djs in magazines because there well known DJs who have used those 'toys' seriously and have made a name for themselves using them.

And its not just articles iv read like this, I know these kinds of people. One of my good mates is now a resident DJ who handed me down his 'toy' mixer. (Behringer DJX700) Because he used it so well that he won himself a Xone 62 with a mix he made.


Posted by MERiDiAN5i2 on Aug-25-2007 19:31:

quote:
Originally posted by Fl@k Monkey
Thats a bit closed minded calling it a toy don't you think? So some people can't afford $1k+ mixers and that means there not serious about there mixing? meh


No. And you need to do some research on the mixer market.

IE:
http://www.djdeals.com/vestaxVMC004FX.htm
http://www.eclerdjdivision.com/prod...ap=2&sub=1&id=2

... the list goes on of mixers for the same or less money that are more capable. Not many cost $1000.

quote:

I think you forget about what DJings about, Some people i know have started out on some of the WORST gear possible.. And now you hear about those djs in magazines because there well known DJs who have used those 'toys' seriously and have made a name for themselves using them.


They didn't pay $550 for that first mixer either... And I'd bet it had a record out so they could atleast record their mixes while they learned, even if only on an old tape deck from 1989... like i did at first.


Posted by Andryuha on Aug-25-2007 20:27:

I have a question, related to the topic. I have a DXM06 and it has 2 channels, BUT it also has 2 additional "PHONO" channels. There are switches on the mixer to switch betweeb "LINE" and "PHONO" inputs. In essence, couldn't this be used to connect additional devices? Sure, you can't use 3 or 4 channels at once, but it still seems to be a reasonable alternative to a more expensive 4ch mixer.


Posted by Omega_Blue on Aug-25-2007 20:51:

it'll work but if you wanna expand you're gonna have to shell out more cash.

i have a 3 channel and i always wish i had 4. 4 cdj's, or two cdj's and two vinyl decks on their own channels, or 2 cdj's and two traktor decks, ableton, etc etc.


Posted by miamitranceman on Aug-25-2007 21:59:

quote:
Originally posted by MERiDiAN5i2
No. And you need to do some research on the mixer market.

IE:
http://www.djdeals.com/vestaxVMC004FX.htm
http://www.eclerdjdivision.com/prod...ap=2&sub=1&id=2

... the list goes on of mixers for the same or less money that are more capable. Not many cost $1000.



They didn't pay $550 for that first mixer either... And I'd bet it had a record out so they could atleast record their mixes while they learned, even if only on an old tape deck from 1989... like i did at first.



First of all, the 400 isn't 550.00 unless you're an idiot. If you did the research you tell others to do, you'll know the general going price from authorized dealers is 450.00 to 500.00, and much less from unauthorized dealers like ebay (You can grab a new one for as low as 300 bucks plus a little shipping).

Secondly, the term "more capable" is a personal one. Who is to say what makes a mixer more capable? It' not just about channels and connections dude.

A far as I can tell, those two things are the only advantages the two mixers you posted above have over the Pio.


Posted by Stu Cox on Aug-26-2007 08:57:

quote:
Originally posted by MERiDiAN5i2
They didn't pay $550 for that first mixer either... And I'd bet it had a record out so they could atleast record their mixes while they learned, even if only on an old tape deck from 1989... like i did at first.

Just because it hasn't got a record out doesn't mean you can't record...

My first mixer had a booth out and a master out, I used to record with the master out and use the booth out for my monitors. Then the master out died, so I had to make do with the booth out - routing the booth out to my PC (well, originall my tape deck) then to my speakers meant I could both record and monitor from a single output. It's hardly rocket science!


Posted by Tarpex on Aug-26-2007 18:03:

quote:
Originally posted by Andryuha
I have a question, related to the topic. I have a DXM06 and it has 2 channels, BUT it also has 2 additional "PHONO" channels. There are switches on the mixer to switch betweeb "LINE" and "PHONO" inputs. In essence, couldn't this be used to connect additional devices? Sure, you can't use 3 or 4 channels at once, but it still seems to be a reasonable alternative to a more expensive 4ch mixer.


Well, the inputs are switchable, it's either phono OR line. You can connect still, but you'll hear only one of the sources.


Posted by the_gamemaster on Aug-27-2007 12:57:

quote:
Originally posted by Andryuha
I have a question, related to the topic. I have a DXM06 and it has 2 channels, BUT it also has 2 additional "PHONO" channels. There are switches on the mixer to switch betweeb "LINE" and "PHONO" inputs. In essence, couldn't this be used to connect additional devices? Sure, you can't use 3 or 4 channels at once, but it still seems to be a reasonable alternative to a more expensive 4ch mixer.



I have the same mixer, and asked the same question a couple of months ago. I thought there couldnt be that many reasons for using a 4 channel mixer, but it seems there are.

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=386292


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