Kursk (a submarin in troubled waters)

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Posted by hardcore trancer on Aug-28-2007 05:12:

Kursk (a submarin in troubled waters)

This is about the Russian Submarine accident that killed all of its crew members on Aug 2000. It is a very informative film for those who are interested.

Video Link here

Posted by Q5echo on Aug-28-2007 06:26:

a whole lot of obfuscation if you ask me.

it tries to dramatize the whole tragedy with espionage and the Chinese and the Schvall torpedo and Putin. whatever.

the crew dropped an exercise or warshot (probably an exercise because they were going out to play wargames) torpedo while they were loading it and didn't realize they had mortally wounded it. it later caught fire in the torpedo room while underway and set off an entire room full of weapons. it blew the entire forward area off before the sail.

how the Russian government handled the tragedy afterwards was a tragedy in and of itself.

Posted by Magnetonium on Aug-28-2007 10:05:

I am preparing a video with a help of my friend (decoding VHS to AVI format) that talks about the history of my people, the Cossacks. I think there's some knowledge there that everyone here would like to learn. Because some people still think communists were good.

Posted by Magnetonium on Aug-28-2007 10:08:

quote:
Originally posted by Q5echo

how the Russian government handled the tragedy afterwards was a tragedy in and of itself.

In case you didnt follow the media, it was portrayed as Putin killing the sailors - as usual, Putin is behind everything. While in reality, with the bureaucracy and lack of proper rescue vehicles, the sailors were doomed even before they set sail. I am not sure about the situation today with rescue teams, but hopefully its better. Russia today is still mainly built on the Soviet principles where human life is worthless. Fucking communists.

Posted by Q5echo on Aug-28-2007 10:50:

quote:
Originally posted by Magnetonium

In case you didnt follow the media, it was portrayed as Putin killing the sailors - as usual, Putin is behind everything. While in reality, with the bureaucracy and lack of proper rescue vehicles, the sailors were doomed even before they set sail. I am not sure about the situation today with rescue teams, but hopefully its better. Russia today is still mainly built on the Soviet principles where human life is worthless. Fucking communists.

you have the Kursk as a government/media debacle. we have the U.S.S. Iowa government/media debacle.

we didn't blame Bush Sr., we blamed homosexuals.

Posted by LazFX on Aug-28-2007 13:48:

quote:
Originally posted by Q5echo

we didn't blame Bush Sr., we blamed homosexuals.

man, I remember that as well,,,,,, that was focked up!!

@ hardcore trancer: nice topic..... not too sure on the video though.... but Damn I remember the fear I carried when I was in the Sub Fleet.... hearing and seeing the bulkheads stress when we would dive..... knowing that even a small fire could potentially be fatal.... fock was I crazy... but damn at the time of this tragic accident, I remember sitting watching head line news or something and just lighting a incense for those poor sailors... the same fear and prior knowledge of how I could of died, came to a head.... for them...

sad...

Posted by Yohan on Aug-29-2007 01:07:

As far as I'm concerned, submariners are more fucked in the head than paratroopers

Posted by Krypton on Aug-29-2007 01:23:

Imagine being in the Kursk while that happened. I would rather be killed instantly. I'm sure the survivers had their ear drums blasted out. The shock could be detected thousands of miles away.

Posted by Q5echo on Aug-29-2007 08:18:

quote:
Originally posted by EvilTree
As far as I'm concerned, submariners are more fucked in the head than paratroopers

it wasn't too bad. it stunk, it was cold, 90% of the time it was a mind numbing bore.

the other 10% of the time it was bedlam with the foul stench of foot odor and amine in the air.

Posted by LazFX on Aug-29-2007 09:52:

quote:
Originally posted by Q5echo
it wasn't too bad. it stunk, it was cold, 90% of the time it was a mind numbing bore.

the other 10% of the time it was bedlam with the foul stench of foot odor and amine in the air.

and the once and a while "wet sock".....

Posted by Q5echo on Aug-29-2007 10:08:

ewww

yeah, i never used the sock.

it would always get to a point in an underway where no one cared whether they could be heard jerkin the gerkin by the other dudes in berthing. man that was funny.

Posted by Magnetonium on Aug-29-2007 15:01:

One thing I dont understand is why when Russia arrests some corporate heads or raids media companies, that is viewed as attack on democracy, while the details of the case and crimes, corruption and/or murder for which those actions are done are ignored. Russian lawmakers have been busy trying to fix things here and there in Russia, though such things as mentioned below dont get any airtime in western media, apart from the Poliktovskaya case arrests, which surprisingly did get little media fanfare in the West:

Reputed St. Petersburg Mob Boss Arrested

http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticl...4E7148BD1C.html

Russia Sacks General Over Soldier's Death

http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticl...D413357E45.html

Just imagine if anyone else is arrested, and lets say they're pro-Western or anti-Putin, well, you'll see it in the Western media as an attack on Russian democracy ...

Posted by Magnetonium on Aug-29-2007 15:38:

Also, I am fucking sick and tired reading anything anymore about Russia on Radio Free Europe ... I dont recall reading anything good about Russia there, sounds like a one huge terrible dictatorship for Christ's sakes ... appalling ... they're retards, on at least TWO occassions I have caught today the bastards lying ...

One:
http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticl...9BF737978A.html

Notice the image on the left, and words "Demonstrators mark human rights day in Moscow in December, 2006". LMAO! If you are Russian, you'll notice that the image it is actually a protest to support the Russian Communist Party, KPRF ... LMAO, human rights day??? Hahaha ...

Two:

"The Russian Constitution forbids Putin from serving two consecutive terms -- but it does not forbid him from returning to power after another president has been in office. "
http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticl...a2804c2dc0.html

Thats a blatant mistake. In fact, Russian Constitution allows 2 consecutive terms. Thats a big ass mistake on Radio Free Europe's part. Apart from the other trash they talk about on the page, ridiculous ... conspiracy theorists, thats for sure, but it was a funny read, its like taking any dictatorship and making mock predictions on the next leader, while obviously ignoring the fact that Russia is a fledging democracy ... Seriously though, if there's such thing as "Putinism" movement, then how come the "Yeltsinism" movement came to an end in 1999? And dont forget, Putin was picked by Yeltsin, but it was soon that many Yeltsin's followers went kicked out of office, like Berezovsky, Gusinskiy, etc. Funny enough, nearly 8 years ago I was reading articles on how Putin's is gonna be just like Yeltsin, continuing "Yeltsinism" ...

Also, I think this below article should be labeled as an attack on democracy, according to the Western rhetoric, but somehow the West is being quiet about it - notice at the banner of the Bolshevik party - almost like the Nazi logo, its basically a Bolshevik flag that was redesigned to give it a Nazi look:

Russian Court Upholds Ban On National Bolshevik Party
http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2007/08/8a16b34d-f293-485c-bb53-0c86a111b4c0.html

But I guess equally radical parties puppets of the West, run by idiots like Kasparov (who has NO political experience at all), who violate countless rules and disregard public order, should be allowed to instigate violence, cause havoc on the streets during unsanctioned protests, disrupting traffic, provocating police to use force, etc. etc. - thats an attack on democracy if officials try to stop those.