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perfect timestretch software?

hey guys.

can someone help me. i want to find some software that will timestretch to exact bpms while maintaining perfect sound quality. i dont mind it adjusting the pitch up or down, just as long as it doesnt do that annoying effect with low long note bass lines.

any ideas??

hey mate...
Ableton or Melodyne...

i always liked the timestretch function in wavelab. anyway, there will always be some aliasing at extreme speed changes i think.

fruityloops also offers a pretty good timestretch function

I dont think u will find a better timestretch than the one Cubase offers.

Re: perfect timestretch software?

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Originally posted by richg101 i want to find some software that will timestretch to exact bpms while maintaining perfect sound quality.

Such a thing does not exist. Some programs like Ableton, Audition, Cubase, etc. will get it pretty close but it will never be perfect. The way those algorithms work, if you want to speed up your clip, it sounds pretty good because it generally systematically removes very, very tiny samples from the clip. So, you maintain close to the same quality. By taking a clip and slowing it down, you can't exactly add samples to extend it, so the algorithms use interpolation between the samples. Again, not perfect.

has anyone used pitch n time? its a 700 usd program that supposevly is the best at managing this problem.

Ableton

Time bandit (noone under the age of 20 will know what I am on about- but its good)

Logics time machine is pretty good too.

Ultimately, you are stretching something... it will never sound *perfect* due to the nature of the process.

Love Time Bandit. I remember BT mentioned this program in some interview I saw.

cubase has 4 timestretching algorithms for various uses.

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Originally posted by Freak Time bandit (noone under the age of 20 will know what I am on about- but its good)

Timebandit is amazing and gives the best results...Cubase sx 2 actually used prosinqs algorithm for time stretching.

I was positive that if you use abletons repitch warp mode then there is no degredation to sound quality whatsoever and for this reason it will be the mode for DJ's.

Am I wrong? I'm sure I've read this in numerous places...

Audition but you'll have to do the calculations for the timing yourself.

Prosonic Time Factory.

Kopi =o.

a lot of the responses are what i hoped not to hear.. i was hoping there would be some magic piece of software.

why is it that if i pitch something down 4% on a cdj200 it sounds better than if i use a cubase timestretch?? the cdj doesnt mess up nice long note basslines like a timestretch does (until you hit that nasty master tempo button)

i want an effect like what the pio cdj's do when you slow/speed things up..

any ideas?

As I said before...
Melodyne is the best... really a better result than ableton... but more hard... but anyway... madonna, bjorl to name a few use it...
Just whatch the video here rich:

http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=plugin1

You can use Melodyne from drums, vocal, melodic line...

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Originally posted by xcalator As I said before... Melodyne is the best... really a better result than ableton... but more hard... but anyway... madonna, bjorl to name a few use it... Just whatch the video here rich: http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=plugin1 You can use Melodyne from drums, vocal, melodic line...

this is a good piece of kit that i will buy soon! can make a shit singer sound dam good

thanks klemsy

Afaik I know the best timestretching algorithms are Prosoniq MPEX, which is what Cubase uses and can be got in standalone form in Prosoniq TimeFactory, and Izotope Radius, which is what Logic and Sonar use.

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Originally posted by richg101 a lot of the responses are what i hoped not to hear.. i was hoping there would be some magic piece of software. why is it that if i pitch something down 4% on a cdj200 it sounds better than if i use a cubase timestretch?? the cdj doesnt mess up nice long note basslines like a timestretch does (until you hit that nasty master tempo button) i want an effect like what the pio cdj's do when you slow/speed things up.. any ideas?

er hello?
Mcfly???

Timestretching= altering the tempo WITHOUT changing the pitch.
If you hit the 'nasty master tempo button' on the pioneers and adjust the picth, that IS timestretching.

What EXACTLY do you want????????? Plenty of good and excellent software posted in here that will timestretch very well.
If its just a time correction without the need for keeping the pitch the same, there are a million pieces of software out there that will do the job.
hell, just play the fucking loop on a CDj or the vinyl and adjust the pitch on that if you like how it does it so much.
Dont waste peoples time asking a question, then moan when you get good and correct responses to that question, when you asked the wrong fucking thing in the first place.

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Originally posted by Freak er hello? Mcfly??? Timestretching= altering the tempo WITHOUT changing the pitch. If you hit the 'nasty master tempo button' on the pioneers and adjust the picth, that IS timestretching. What EXACTLY do you want????????? Plenty of good and excellent software posted in here that will timestretch very well. If its just a time correction without the need for keeping the pitch the same, there are a million pieces of software out there that will do the job. hell, just play the fucking loop on a CDj or the vinyl and adjust the pitch on that if you like how it does it so much. Dont waste peoples time asking a question, then moan when you get good and correct responses to that question, when you asked the wrong fucking thing in the first place.

Indeed, pitching and timestretching are not the same thing. If he wants to just pitch a sample then he can just do that in Soundforge or anything and, when pitching up, it will never adversely affect the sound. When pitching down it might though, Im not sure how different apps handle the interpolation...

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Originally posted by mysticalninja cubase has 4 timestretching algorithms for various uses.

please could you explain which setting i should use if i am to get the effect i would get from adjusting the pitch slider on a turntable or on a cdj without using 'master tempo'?

this is what im after

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Originally posted by Freak er hello? Mcfly??? Timestretching= altering the tempo WITHOUT changing the pitch. If you hit the 'nasty master tempo button' on the pioneers and adjust the picth, that IS timestretching. What EXACTLY do you want????????? Plenty of good and excellent software posted in here that will timestretch very well. If its just a time correction without the need for keeping the pitch the same, there are a million pieces of software out there that will do the job. hell, just play the fucking loop on a CDj or the vinyl and adjust the pitch on that if you like how it does it so much. Dont waste peoples time asking a question, then moan when you get good and correct responses to that question, when you asked the wrong fucking thing in the first place.

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Originally posted by richg101 hey guys. can someone help me. i want to find some software that will timestretch to exact bpms while maintaining perfect sound quality. i dont mind it adjusting the pitch up or down, just as long as it doesnt do that annoying effect with low long note bass lines. any ideas??

what i want - as asked in my original post...

1. software that will timestretch to exact bpms while maintaining perfect sound quality

2.i dont mind it adjusting the pitch up or down, just as long as it doesnt do that annoying effect with low long note bass lines.

I'm not sure you either want TimeBandit or just standard i think, and you want to make sure you uncheck pitch correction.

like i said earlier, if you dont mind chnaging the pitch, then isnt something like abletons repitch warp mode perfect for that. There is no sound degredation afaik as it is the same as altering pitch on a turntable.

I always thought that you only get sound quality problems when you want the pitch to stay the same.

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