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I did a lot of research around the forums what gear to get for a beginnerand it comes down to this!

2x cdj 800mk2 & djm 800 or
2x cdj1000mk3 & djm 400 or
2x cdj 800mk2 $ xone92

thats all i can spend, what you think i should get?

I would go with the two 800's and a djm 800. That way if you every want to add turntables you have a 4ch mixer. As well you could use two of the chanels for the cdj's and then the other to with ableton if your into that. As well the 800 has a digital in so you can use the digital out on the cdjs. The 800 also has a ton of effects which the 400 dosnt have.....well not as many at least. I personally would rather have an 800 over the 92 because of the effects. The 92 has great filters but the 800 has so much more

theres no real need for a bedroom dj (especially so a beginner) to get CDJ-1000's, so the 800's should be the choice there.

As for mixers, well those ones are all pretty good so its going to be a personal choice for you. Go somewhere and have a twiddle on them to see if you like the feel of one or another. Also decide whether you need effects on your mixer, if you do that rules out the Xone but for a beginner I'd say you don't.
Also look at the Ecler Nuo-5.
In a bedroom the sound quality difference between a Xone and DJM (and probably the Nuo as well) will be negligble, besides they're all pretty sweet sounding mixers so you won't be missing out terribly if you go one way or another. The only real way to split them would be on effects vs filters, decide which you need, or on feel which is personal.

I wouldn't bother with the DJM-400 if you have the ability to get an 800, Xone, Nuo5.

Mixers are probably the most personal thing (apart from headphones) in a dj set up, its pretty important to get one that you are comfortable with so if you have the ability you should check them out for yourself.

I got 2xCDJ800MK2 and a Xone:92. I prefer the Xone:92 to the DJM800, mostly because the Xone:92 has awesome filters and is more a studio mixer. But again, DJM800 vs Xone:92 is an endless debate. Do some research on that in this forum.

800 mk2s and DJm 800 hands down. Most bang for buck there.

thanks for your input guys,looks like im leaning toward pair of 800mk2 & djm800 as for headphones most likely hdj 1000

Honestly, did you try the mixer first ? I was gonna get the DJM800 but then I tried it and much prefered the Xone...this is a lot of money, I'd say give it a try first.

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Originally posted by Neo Hacker Honestly, did you try the mixer first ? I was gonna get the DJM800 but then I tried it and much prefered the Xone...this is a lot of money, I'd say give it a try first.

I went to guitar center and try djm 800,they didnt have xone92 thought

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Originally posted by Neo Hacker Honestly, did you try the mixer first ? I was gonna get the DJM800 but then I tried it and much prefered the Xone...this is a lot of money, I'd say give it a try first.

why did you choose xone over 800?

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Originally posted by dutas why did you choose xone over 800?

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Originally posted by Neo Hacker I prefer the Xone:92 to the DJM800, mostly because the Xone:92 has awesome filters and is more a studio mixer.

I was a sound tech for many years and I'm use to studio mixers. And I like the Filters on the Xone + the 4 EQs knobs. I prefer the feel of the Xone over the DJM. But this is a personal choice.

Why bother with the 800s at all? Their pitch resolution sucks. Invest the funds in a good mixer that you will keep with you no matter what, and go with the 200s. That's my advice anyhow.

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Originally posted by basilisk Why bother with the 800s at all? Their pitch resolution sucks. Invest the funds in a good mixer that you will keep with you no matter what, and go with the 200s. That's my advice anyhow.

Do the maths, an error of 0.05% (the 800mk2 accuracy) on a 130 bpm song will be a slip of 0.065 beats per minute.

So its fuck all, wouldn't be noticable for at least a couple of minutes or even longer (I doubt a track being 0.1 of a beat off the other would stand out).
The pitch slider on a 200 also wouldn't be long enough to give you the resolution to be able to change the pitch of a track by 0.02% if it were slightly out, chances are with the 200 you're going to be more than 0.04% out at any one time anyway.

If you can't beatmatch with an 0.05% accuracy, its you not the machine.

I'd gladly go for an 0.05% accuracy with that vinyl emulation and/or big jog wheel (however you have it setup) than the little CDJ-200 jog wheel where you're locked into CDJ mode.


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Actually I wrote that in a hurry cos I had to run off to a meeting, but I realised (when I was supposed to be listening during my meeting) that I made a mistake with the maths.

The furthest you can get from a particular bpm due to pitch accuracy alone is half of the accuracy. Any more than that and its due to human error cos you can get closer. So the furthest you can be from a particular bpm using a CDJ with 0.05% is 0.025%, so actually its half of the numbers I said above.

After 1 minute using an 0.05% deck at 130bpm you will be 0.031 of a beat off, after 2 minutes 0.0625 of a beat off.
Which is definitely shit all and not something to get overly worried about.

No need to care about pitch resolution. I use my cdj's with serato, as do many others. Take a look at the screen and you'll see the pitch resolution is .1. I don't have problems mixing with serato and never heard any one say they can't get a mix locked in using it. To argue that .05 pitch resolution of the cdj 800 will some how affect your mix is pointless.



allen

how is it possible that serato is only accurate to 0.1? in absolute mode it would be constantly correcting it's pitch to match the timecode it is receiving, even if it was only accurate to 0.1 between timecodes, it would still be far more accurate over any meanginful time.
is it just cos the number on screen goes to one decimal place? like cars with speedometers that go to 200mph must go that fast?

Don't waste your time. I started out with all that stuff: DJM 800, 2 CDJ 1000 MK3's, EFX 1000 and eventually saw the light. Now running a new Core 2 Duo Macbook Pro and a Powerbook G4 both with Ableton Live 6. Sickest shit ever. My CDJ's and EFX just sit there.... My advice, buy a new Macbook Pro and a copy of Ableton Live, and a decent midi controller. Nuf said. If you can't rip it up with that then it wasn't meant to be......

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Originally posted by DJ Simo Don't waste your time. I started out with all that stuff: DJM 800, 2 CDJ 1000 MK3's, EFX 1000 and eventually saw the light. Now running a new Core 2 Duo Macbook Pro and a Powerbook G4 both with Ableton Live 6. Sickest shit ever. My CDJ's and EFX just sit there.... My advice, buy a new Macbook Pro and a copy of Ableton Live, and a decent midi controller. Nuf said. If you can't rip it up with that then it wasn't meant to be......

so you're running 2 macs like pvd? one for tracks and the other for keys, samples, etc? sounds cool. i love pvd's setup, BUT dont have the money for it yet... i'm sure i'll end up w/ a similar setup in the next few years.

on topic... from the 3 setups you listed, i would reccomend the cdj800's and xone 92.

OK i didn't read every post in this thread but i don't think anyone asked you an important question ...

Question: In the next 2 years, do you see any possibility of moving to Ableton?



Answer: No, i don't

Result: 2x cdj1000mk3 & DJM 400

Reason: Forget the effects and better quality sound and 4 channels, you don't need them for the first year at least. You want to concentrate on getting very smooth mixes from one track to another, and creating an amazing flow from track to track, nothing else. Even with the DJM 400 you have a few effects to muck around with, you won't need anything else. You will already have way too much to master. You can always upgrade to a better mixer later once you've mastered the basic model.




Answer: Yes, i like what i can see in Ableton, i think I'll end up there within a year or 2.

Result: 2x cdj 800mk2 & xone92

Reason: The Xone 92 is a fantastic mixer, great sound quality, great feel, filters are awesome as everyone else will agree. You can add an external sound card to your setup later and use the 4 decks with Ableton like that. However, why pick the Xone over the DJM? well if you're worried about effects, then don't be, Ableton will more than cover you. The filters are nicer on the Xone, and i like the feel more (You're going to have to try out both to see which one you like). Also the Xone has longer fader which I prefer, but again, up to you.



In fact the more i think about it, go with the 2x cdj1000mk3 & djm 400, it means that if you decide to change your direction in mixing, and want an expensive midi controller later, you won't have spent so much on your mixer.


From what i can see in all the above packages, you're going to be very happy with any of the three. Good luck. Hope i've helped!

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Originally posted by discobiscuit so you're running 2 macs like pvd? one for tracks and the other for keys, samples, etc? sounds cool. i love pvd's setup, BUT dont have the money for it yet... i'm sure i'll end up w/ a similar setup in the next few years.

Yup exactly. The powerbook G4 was bought used for $700, has 2 gigs of ram, and the Pro I bought new. Still a lot of money but when you compare it to the cost of 2 CDJ 1000 Mk3's and an EFX 1000 it's all a wash...... It does't have to cost a lot though. A new Macbook these days can be bought for about $1000, and the Core 2 Due processors are FAST.

The only downside is that it takes a while to learn and effectively use the whole setup, which i'm still in th process of. but other than that the possibilities are endless......

800 and 800

I would get the Xone.

You see...endless debate

I think the pitch resolution displayed in the GUI is simply a limitation of the display. It feels pretty damn accurate to me using SSL and the CDJ-1000's. But yeah, the CDJ-800's pitch resolution is MORE than fine. Besides, look carefully when you are out at clubs... a lot of DJ's just leave the pitch setting of the CDJ-1000's at their default (10%, .05% increments).

How did Ableton come up in this discussion? It's a totally different paradigm, and doesn't exactly resemble DJ'ing at all. I tried going that route, and it was totally not fun for me. Decks aren't going anywhere. But you have to choose for yourself.

As for the DJM-800/Xone 92... Pioneer mixers are popular with DJ's, but sound techs hate them.

Take a look how Pioneer advertises the DJM-800... it's ALL on the effects. Seriously, how much are you REALLY going to use all those effects in a set and have it sound GOOD? The filters on the 92 are infinitely more useful than the filters and other effects on the 800.

If you ignore the effects on the DJM-800, and ignore the filters on the Xone 92, the Xone is a MUCH more solid mixer. It's built like a tank, and sounds great, and it's design won't be obsoleted in a year when a new fancy digital mixer comes out. The Xone 92's audio routing is flexible enough so you can have all sorts of other toys connected up to it...

Buy a mixer that's best at being a mixer first and foremost.

Still, they are both fine mixers and I'd be happy with either... I just feel like the A+H has more of it's cost put into the mixer and less into the frills.

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Originally posted by tubby how is it possible that serato is only accurate to 0.1? in absolute mode it would be constantly correcting it's pitch to match the timecode it is receiving, even if it was only accurate to 0.1 between timecodes, it would still be far more accurate over any meanginful time. is it just cos the number on screen goes to one decimal place? like cars with speedometers that go to 200mph must go that fast?

thanks all for your help, i did place order yesterady for pair of cdj's 800 and xone 92

And how much is this set up going to cost roughly?
(I'm about to make a beginner purchase myself)

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