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Man fights to spell his name as given at birth
http://russiatoday.ru/news/news/13306
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Man fights to spell his name in Russian
The European Court of Human Rights has agreed to hear the case of a Latvian man who claims he's not being allowed to use his name as it was given to him at birth. Ruslan Pankratov is an ethnic Russian living in the Latvian capital, Riga. According to the country's laws, all foreign names must be written using Latvian grammar (Pankratovs). But Mr Pankratov objects to having the letter �S" attached to his names.
Latvian courts have twice rejected his appeals.
�The aim of the case is to allow people to spell their names the way they like. Why do linguists or lawyers, instead of us, make the decision? In no other country are names distorted this way,� said Ruslan Pankratov.
He went on to argue that if Latvian rules applied everywhere, people would be constantly changing their names.
�According to this logic in Ukraine I will become Ruslanko Pankratenko and in Georgia I will be Ruslanidze Pankratidze, won�t I? This is absolutely unacceptable,� he added.
First, they accepted Nazi parades and their appeal to the government officials. Now the laws to force people change their last names to have 'S' at the end. What kind of law is that? Should they also tell that guy what to dress and what to say as well?
His analogy is pretty good. Since Latvia uses Latin alphabet, there's nothing wrong with his last name being Pankratov. Otherwise its attacking his personal liberties, his cultural identity and rights.
They've probably banned reincarnation there as well. LOL
I doubt there are any linguists involved in this bizarre incident, that's outrageous.
Politicians (and some grammarians) should stop thinking that languages belong to them, and that there's an inherent link between countries and languages. So what if the nominative case requires a "s" in Latvian? I'm sure this doesn't prevent Latvians from declining Pakratov's name whenever they find it necessary and, even if it happens to be indeclinable, I'm sure Latvians can find a way of "tackling" this so-called problem by changing the word order or something...
It's also completely stupid, as most of the second names in Russian especially express affiliation; Pankratov -> Of Pankrat (family)... Magnetonium correct me if that is not specifically the case, Slovenians and Russians have a lot of linguistic similarities 
a russian calling a former republic stupid...great!
this isnt fit for this forum, but if you want to get into the nitty gritty of it, its not surprising that the repubs are making new laws to limit russian-ness, even if they are stupid laws.
does it really affect anyone if one guy doesnt like his name? why does he live in latvia? in most cases he can leave off the letter, unless its offical. or move, then again latvia with an 's' is likely better than wherever he moved from|
No "S" ??? The Greeks must be outraged. 
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| Originally posted by biznology a russian calling a former republic stupid...great! |
This reminds me of the late 1800's/early 1900's when immigrants in the US had to americanize their names
Tarpex reminded me of something: His name shouldn't be "Pankratov", because "Pankratov" is in the genitive case. If they really wanted to Latvianise his name, it should be something llike "Pankratu". Right?
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| Originally posted by jonSun No "S" ??? The Greeks must be outraged. |
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| Originally posted by Sunsnail This reminds me of the late 1800's/early 1900's when immigrants in the US had to americanize their names |
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| Originally posted by Lira I didn't know about that, have you got a link about it? |
Funny thing is that my family changed our name in the 30's for a number of other reasons.
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| Originally posted by Lira I didn't know about that, have you got a link about it? |
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| Originally posted by jonSun They tried to pull that with my family when they came here from Italy around WWI. Since our last name was Napolitano they said it was too hard to pronouce, lol stupid americans. But my family didnt change it & by that time they were able to get away with it. My dad told me the rules of name changes were relaxed compared to 20-30 years earlier. Little did they know, the officials who made those rules would be working for Italians not too long after. Funny thing is that my family changed our name in the 30's for a number of other reasons. |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r It was actually not that uncommon Lira. Makes genealogy a bitch sometimes... |
quote: Originally posted by Tarpex
It's also completely stupid, as most of the second names in Russian especially express affiliation; Pankratov -> Of Pankrat (family)... Magnetonium correct me if that is not specifically the case, Slovenians and Russians have a lot of linguistic similarities
Yes, we are all Slavic brothers and sisters ;-) This "ov" ending in surnames has nothing to do with Russification, as its pretty obvious - many Bulgarians have the same surname ending, some others in Eastern bloc countries too, like yours (Slovakia) ... Russia, for example, is a country with so many ethnic groups, we have some Slovakians for sure, though not many.
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hmm... I do know that happened here, but I don't think it was mandatory (I think my great grandmother changed her Italian surname because she though her surname resembled that of "mafiosi" (?), for example).
Did it happen in your family? I wonder how much the names have changed... I know "Kimmel", as in Jimmy Kimmel, was supposed to be "Kümmel", but I wonder whether this Americanisation was really this subtle.
LOL ... MANDATORY? Your grandmother changed her last name according to her own wishes, VOLUNTARILY, you're confusing the different concepts here.
As for the Kummel case, its a different language, slightly different letters, so the family had to ADJUST the letters. Just like in Russian we have some letters that you guys don't in your language. So its adjusted to the ORIGINAL sounding of it, closest possible to the original. So when moving to another country, surnames can sometimes have to be adjusted. Pankratov is his last name, sounds and even spells the same in Russian and Latvian, NOT Pankratovs. Thats not just CHANGING LETTERS, thats forced assimilation. Its a big difference. Clearly his last name is not translated - as the proper and actual translation to Latin is Pankratov, but Latvian officials insist to Latvianize him. He rightfully refuses, because he wants to keep his cultural identity, his history. Its pretty obvious that even the Geneva Conventions and European laws state that too.
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I doubt there are any linguists involved in this bizarre incident, that's outrageous.
Who do you think actually comes up with these ridiculous ideas to change people's last names? They're the ones who originally shaped up the language, surnames, and all. He also blames government for not hearing his case. And actually, a lot of Latvians do end up with "s" ending last names. Here's HER last name: Jaunzarins. In Russia, at least, we have all kinds of last names and their components that identify ethically the person ... most common endings for last names are "ov", "in", "enko", "oy", "skiy",
quote: Originally posted by Lira
Tarpex reminded me of something: His name shouldn't be "Pankratov", because "Pankratov" is in the genitive case. If they really wanted to Latvianise his name, it should be something llike "Pankratu". Right?
No, now THAT WOULD make him more Lithuanian, actually, LMAO! You're mixing up the countries, hehe ;-)
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It's quite the opposite, actually: Latvians want his name to end with "s"
Well, obviously not, especially with a large Russian minority (15-25% of Latvian population), and with this case, quite a few people dont want to have their surnames changed ...
This guy is Latvian, not ethnically, but he is a citizen of Latvia, and he definitely doesn't want his last name forcefully changed. I believe that European Convention has that covered as well.
How come this famous Latvian goaltender who even played in NHL didnt have to add "s" to his last name?
http://www.nhl.com/nhl/app/?service...il&pkey=8456692
I think someone in Latvian government has an obsession with that letter "S".
I think it's funny how in Latvia they have to change their names involuntarily, but here in the US, I could change my name to Mister Muffin Pants. 
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