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if ur an american maybe u can explain this??

4 Canadian soldiers were killed 'accidentally' by the US while training..........a US pilot dropped a laser guided bomb on them

then at last nights NBA toronto raptors vs. detroit pistons game which took place in detroit...........the fans booed the Canadian national anthem

WTF????
way to show class and respect......................

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Originally posted by sublimation 4 Canadian soldiers were killed 'accidentally' by the US while training..........a US pilot dropped a laser guided bomb on them then at last nights NBA toronto raptors vs. detroit pistons game which took place in detroit...........the fans booed the Canadian national anthem WTF???? way to show class and respect......................

well i certainly CANT explain EVERYTHING here. the US military is bomb happy and tends to miss alot. i dont know why or how it happened - it certainly shouldnt have. the amazing thing is that we havent killed any of our own soldiers yet.

as for detroit, i think the booing has to do with Detroit in particular, not the US. Detroit considers itself 'hockeytown' and since thats falling apart quickly, it could transfer that aggression to another sport. it also has issues with people choosing to go across the border, into Windsor, to spend their hard earned money on gambling and drinking(19). Detroit is ghetto- dont for get that/

^^^What he said about the bombing thing.

But I think some of the booing has to do with the fact that it was Canada. Americans (especially the males (sports)) are not usually very fond of the French and the Canadians. I dunno why. Read Maxim, there are at least 5 jokes per issue about Canada & France. Watch "The Man Show". At least 2 jokes per episode. I think Canada is thrown in just cus of it's French background, but I dunno why Americans hate Fance or Canada! lol.

Anyway, I'm not meaning any dis respect myself. I have nothing against anyone. I'm just informing

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Originally posted by biznology Detroit is ghetto

haha.....hit that one on the spot

>JM<

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Originally posted by SpykeChyld Americans (especially the males (sports)) are not usually very fond of the French.

nobody is fond of the French

Nothing is cool about war, but I must say that the United States has a damn good military and does a great job of not hitting civilians, innocents, or allies. Mistakes are made in war, but I think the US doesn't make many (compared to any other Army involved in a conflict).

Our freedom is at stake here (yes Canadian's too) and people like you guys that give into the media anti-US hype are going to cause more people to die then those pilots who made that bombing mistake. Look, if it wasn't for those pilots dropping bombs right now, you probably wouldn't be able to go clubbing for fear of a suicide bombing, anthrax, or worse, lack of money due to a crushed economy.

Same thing for Isreal. You have every right to defend yourselves just as the US should defend itself.

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Originally posted by Blik nobody is fond of the French

ouch

well.....it's always fun to make fun and joke around about Canada/Canadians and the high tax rates.....but that's about the only thing we joke around that has to do with Canada. Also, never any harm intended. one of my friends here is Canadian

have no idea why they would boo the Canadian anthem...seems pretty ridiculous to me, and a great sign of disrespect indeed.

>JM<

god threads like this make me sick.

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4 Canadian soldiers were killed 'accidentally' by the US while training..........a US pilot dropped a laser guided bomb on them

what response do you want out of americans? "YES. WE DID IT ON PURPOSE. WE WANTED TO BOMB YOU CANADIANS. HA HA." or maybe "I'M SORRY. IM AN AMERICAN AND I PERSONALLY WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO CANADA ON BEHALF OF MY COUNTRY". i mean, come on. we arent the military so how could you possibly think for a second that any of us could explain it... the whole premise of this thread sounds like trying to guilt trip americans into whatever.

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WTF???? way to show class and respect......................

ok, how about the respect of canadians in vancouver when washington cars are targeted and vandalized/broken into.. (this is common knowledge btw in washington AND british columbia).

how about the other way around, how about canadians who bash americans every single day? how about that my radio is set to a canadian station (since im so near the border) for my alarm and i hear american bashing when i wake up every day? you think canadians dont shit talk americans? you call that classy, tho americans doing it isnt?

like i said, these kind of threads make me sick. even tho i deal with bullshit sometimes because of canadians, it doesnt make me bash their country or canadians as a people. and lots of canadians feel the same way about americans or dont make judgements also. its stupid ignorant fuckheads with zero sense of tolerance who always have to bash other countries and find faults with them. people are people, humans are humans, not a label of what country they are from.

and people like you are helping zero by starting threads which propogate this kind of hate. because we all know whats going to happen.. people are gonna bash americans, americans are gonna stick up for themselves even tho theres nothing to stick up for, etc.

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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen Nothing is cool about war, but I must say that the United States has a damn good military and does a great job of not hitting civilians, innocents, or allies. Mistakes are made in war, but I think the US doesn't make many (compared to any other Army involved in a conflict). Our freedom is at stake here (yes Canadian's too) and people like you guys that give into the media anti-US hype are going to cause more people to die then those pilots who made that bombing mistake. Look, if it wasn't for those pilots dropping bombs right now, you probably wouldn't be able to go clubbing for fear of a suicide bombing, anthrax, or worse, lack of money due to a crushed economy. Same thing for Isreal. You have every right to defend yourselves just as the US should defend itself.

This is probably the most unintelligent statement i have ever read in my life!

And about your military "not hitting civilians, innocents or allies"
thats a bunch of bull shite! Remember that basement in Iraq that protected almost 300 INNOCENT civilians who were hiding from the war.... and your "Damn good military" "accidentally bombed and killed everyone in there with their laser guiding bomb, thinking it was a military station or how about all those (almost 30,000) Guatemalans who were slaughtered during the eighties by your army... Oh I forgot.. your nation doesnt mediate these autrocites!! And lets not forget the other 200,000 iraqi civilians, vietnamese, and Rawandans too. Now do these look like mistakes to you?

It was obvious that the U.S didnt bomb our canadian soldiers intentionally... but you must understand that seeing your army as "damn good" is far from the truth.

And with isreal..... i wont even begin with that murderous and filthy state. Just read what has happened in Jenin.....and NOT from CNN.
But hey.. this is just me and the rest of the worlds opinion about you guys... so who cares right?

im glad Cyrus King DOES know what hes talking bout, thanx for that reply, i wouldnt have pulled it off that nicely

and my point of where this thread would be headed has just been proven with cyrus's reply.

let me again state:

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its stupid ignorant fuckheads with zero sense of tolerance who always have to bash other countries and find faults with them. people are people, humans are humans, not a label of what country they are from.

i really hope this thread defuses before it turns into canadian vs american fest. please. stop.

I think it won't become a ANTI-(anything) thread... or Canada vs America thread either. I understand your argument SOTHIS... however, we're not talking about the everyday "dissing" that occurs between Canadians and Americans. The problem I've found with many americans (not all, because so many are amazing individuals)is that they DO NOT seem to know when to draw the line between friendly sports competition & the reality of life. I mean c'mon!!! the booing of the Canadian national anthem?? the sad thing is that it's not the first or last time this will happen. The americans have always had difficulty showing respect for all other nations PERIOD. It may, in reality, have to do with the history of the USA in general...and their anger, fight, and dislike towards Britain, Canada, and the rest of the world as a whole. It's been their "Us against the world" mentality that has gotten a bit out of hand.

I for one do not expect and appology from anyone here for what happend in the war, or what happend at the game. I think he just wanted to stimulate thought and a response from the rest of the TA's.

Why is it that the Americans do this?

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Originally posted by Cyrus King And about your military "not hitting civilians, innocents or allies" thats a bunch of bull shite! Remember that basement in Iraq that protected almost 300 INNOCENT civilians who were hiding from the war.... and your "Damn good military" "accidentally bombed and killed everyone in there with their laser guiding bomb, thinking it was a military station or how about all those (almost 30,000) Guatemalans who were slaughtered during the eighties by your army... Oh I forgot.. your nation doesnt mediate these autrocites!! And lets not forget the other 200,000 iraqi civilians, vietnamese, and Rawandans too. Now do these look like mistakes to you?

Yes we have made mistakes...no state is perfect, especially in a war situation.....dont startb acting like the U.S. is the only country that makes mistakes....and those numbers...where are u getting them from...dont pull statistics out of the air...either back-up those numbers or dont post them....

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Originally posted by Cyrus King It was obvious that the U.S didnt bomb our canadian soldiers intentionally... but you must understand that seeing your army as "damn good" is far from the truth.?

It was a mistake..i dotn think anyone doubts that...but from what is told...the U.S. pilot saw HEAVY gun fire down below and THOUGHT it was Al Queda rebels...he was unaware of ANY training excercise taking place by any allies and when he asked over the radio the command base was aware either...so he made a judgement call and decided to drop a bomb...it was a mistake that ened in trajedy....but it has NOTHING to do with him being from the U.S. Army...that could of happened anywhere by any country man....

and as far as the U.S. Military being any good...are you kidding me...we are one of the best...that is a fact....

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Originally posted by Cyrus King But hey.. this is just me and the rest of the worlds opinion about you guys... so who cares right?

well there is another false statement...who are u to speak for the rest of the world?.....

its amazing how so many people do however speak poorley about the U.S. and out government and military...yet the majority of time when a little dimky country needs help...who do they turn to but the U.S.

and it is always broadcasted world-wide when the U.S. military makes a mistake like this one...but thats only because we are a super-power and have cameras and the such shwoing it all happen,..unlike most countries who go to war and its all unknown to the public and not on the front page of the newspaper...do you HONESTLY beleive that the U.S. is the only military to foul up and kill civilians...if you do then your far from the truth....

And 1 more thing that i have to say that ALWYAS amazes me about U.S. bashers..they always preach how everyone hates the U.S. and this and that...but u know what strikes me as being funny>?..well its the fact that MORE people a year move to the U.S. and wanna be AMERICAN citizens then and other country in the world EVER in history...how many times have you heard someone say i wanna move to Canada, China or South Africa because of the oppurtunities....i mena people do of course but nowhere near int eh amount of people begging to be American citizens...so recheck all your statements about your little fact that the entire world shares your view....its simply not true...but who am i right

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Why is it that the Americans do this?

and my response is, how are we supposed to answer?

do you really think that 99% of the population here has any control over what the president or the army does? its not like we can go down to our local courthouse and demand that the military stops doing shit.

so thats why this kind of question is totally inappropriate and will cause nothing but american bashing. since those of us who arent american cant in any way answer this question. only the government or the military can.. and im so sick of being american and reading these kind of threads. they are draining and irritating.

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Originally posted by sothis and my response is, how are we supposed to answer? do you really think that 99% of the population here has any control over what the president or the army does? its not like we can go down to our local courthouse and demand that the military stops doing shit. so thats why this kind of question is totally inappropriate and will cause nothing but american bashing. since those of us who arent american cant in any way answer this question. only the government or the military can.. and im so sick of being american and reading these kind of threads. they are draining and irritating.

I completely agree with you....why don't all of you ask the people
who booed why they did that? or ask the pilot who dropped the bomb
why he did what he did?

how are we supposed to know the answers to those questions???
we can only be responsible for our own actions and not those of
other people including our government...

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Originally posted by Cyrus King This is probably the most unintelligent statement i have ever read in my life! And about your military "not hitting civilians, innocents or allies" thats a bunch of bull shite! Remember that basement in Iraq that protected almost 300 INNOCENT civilians who were hiding from the war.... and your "Damn good military" "accidentally bombed and killed everyone in there with their laser guiding bomb, thinking it was a military station or how about all those (almost 30,000) Guatemalans who were slaughtered during the eighties by your army... Oh I forgot.. your nation doesnt mediate these autrocites!! And lets not forget the other 200,000 iraqi civilians, vietnamese, and Rawandans too. Now do these look like mistakes to you?

Yes, they were mistakes. They were bad governmental mistakes that we can learn from and use our power to vote to overcome.

But what about all the positive things the United States does? You write your statement like you read into the anti-American propaganda like everyone else. Did you know that the economy of the world relies upon the United States shoulders? Did you know that the United States spends BILLIONS of dollars a year on foriegn aid? Did you know that the world would be 100% Nazi controlled if it wasn't for the US?

This is long, but I found it on some site written by a Canadian like 20 years ago.


The United States dollar took another pounding on German, French and British exchanges this morning, hitting the lowest point ever known in West Germany. It has declined there by 41% since 1971 and this Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least-appreciated people in all the earth.

As long as sixty years ago, when I first started to read newspapers, I read of floods on the Yellow River and the Yangtse. Who rushed in with men and money to help? The Americans did.

They have helped control floods on the Nile, the Amazon, the Ganges and the Niger. Today, the rich bottom land of the Mississippi is under water and no foreign land has sent a dollar to help. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy, were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of those countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.

When the franc was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.

When distant cities are hit by earthquakes, it is the United States that hurries into help... Managua Nicaragua is one of the most recent examples. So far this spring, 59 American communities have been flattened by tornadoes. Nobody has helped.

The Marshall Plan .. the Truman Policy .. all pumped billions upon billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now, newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent war-mongering Americans.

I'd like to see one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplanes.

Come on... let's hear it! Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tristar or the Douglas 107? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all international lines except Russia fly American planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or women on the moon?

You talk about Japanese technocracy and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy and you find men on the moon, not once, but several times ... and safely home again. You talk about scandals and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everyone to look at. Even the draft dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, most of them ... unless they are breaking Canadian laws .. are getting American dollars from Ma and Pa at home to spend here.

When the Americans get out of this bind ... as they will... who could blame them if they said 'the hell with the rest of the world'. Let someone else buy the Israel bonds, Let someone else build or repair foreign dams or design foreign buildings that won't shake apart in earthquakes.

When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke. I can name to you 5,000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble.

Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.

Our neighbours have faced it alone and I am one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles.

I hope Canada is not one of these. But there are many smug, self-righteous Canadians. And finally, the American Red Cross was told at its 48th Annual meeting in New Orleans this morning that it was broke.

This year's disasters .. with the year less than half-over has taken it all and nobody...but nobody... has helped

first of all I'd like to apologize to those who are taking this harshly.......I'm simply pointing out that the behavior of the individuals at that basketball game were very inappropriate, even if no one died booing any national anthem is very disrespectful since it is a national symbol
here a few other points:
1. u say that the conflict in afghanistan affects 'our' freedom, if u have any knowledge about politics and the situation at hand u will know that this terrorism is in fact target at the US and US ONLY.........it began years ago and is an ongoing conflict (bombing of US embassy's/government establishmenst worldwide)......if I am correct the whole thing began when the US sent its troops onto the 'terrorists' holy land........which was under extremist rule and was considered a huge violation
2. the US spends billions on defence each year, this particular bomb was laser guided, meaning pin-point accuracy, the pilot flew over the target twice, IT WAS NOT EVEN A COMBAT AREA, it was a training ground for the canadian forces
3. so over all the americans are doing the bashing
4. the reply "why don't u call them and ask.......", very mature response, I'm guessing your about 16
5. cars get broken into everywhere
6. american citizens are know for their pride/cockiness/high-self esteem
7. the population is growing in size because the US is the wealthiest and quickly expanding country, attracting immigrants from all over the world
.................

I can go on for ever........but unfortunatelly not many of u are capable of a mature discussion

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Originally posted by Cyrus King This is probably the most unintelligent statement i have ever read in my life! And about your military "not hitting civilians, innocents or allies" thats a bunch of bull shite! Remember that basement in Iraq that protected almost 300 INNOCENT civilians who were hiding from the war.... and your "Damn good military" "accidentally bombed and killed everyone in there with their laser guiding bomb, thinking it was a military station or how about all those (almost 30,000) Guatemalans who were slaughtered during the eighties by your army... Oh I forgot.. your nation doesnt mediate these autrocites!! And lets not forget the other 200,000 iraqi civilians, vietnamese, and Rawandans too. Now do these look like mistakes to you? It was obvious that the U.S didnt bomb our canadian soldiers intentionally... but you must understand that seeing your army as "damn good" is far from the truth. And with isreal..... i wont even begin with that murderous and filthy state. Just read what has happened in Jenin.....and NOT from CNN. But hey.. this is just me and the rest of the worlds opinion about you guys... so who cares right?

#1. You're canadian.

#2. The last thing "that country north of the U.S." should be doing is criticizing our military. You guys "might" just need it one day.

Jealousy and envy is a terrible thing.

When it comes down to it guys, regardless of ALLLLL the bullshit that happens.....We are one of the few most superior, productive, and one of the strongest and most powerful countries in the world.

Face it.

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Originally posted by sublimation I can go on for ever........but unfortunatelly not many of u are capable of a mature discussion

Well, we could go on forever too. You were simply criticizing this country, and pointing out our faults. You were asking us why our military has done certain events, caused innocent casualties, and whatever else, as if we are supposed to know and have an answer.

No honest argument can stand unless we all know the facts. And honestly, NONE of us REALLY know the facts. All that you, and the rest of us know, is what we read/hear.

Its as if you are accusing US, the citizens, of these actions. We, the citizens have no part, place, or vote, in what happens during warfare.

No mature discussion can exhists, if all we are gonna do is accuse and point out mistakes/actions our countries have made in which we honestly don't have all the facts on and never will.

what i am about to say is from about as neutral a point of view as one can have. during the invasion down here in panama in 1989, the US brought down some 33,000 soldiers to fight a 'war' against a meager 2,000. What where they supposed to do? stop a dictator from gaining power (this same man was also a CIA operative, and had some negotiations with bush), and to protect american civilians in panama. Well, i can say that i have seen first hand how the US handles its matters, and even if they are fighting for the good of their country and people, i can tell you right now, that for the small amount of americans that died ( i think somewhere around 30+ people? like 33?) thousands of panamanians died. innocent ones at that...why? because the US used EXCESSIVE military force, and fuckedup here and there. So in my opinion, i find the US to NOT have to good a military in the sense that they are aware of what is around them. ok.. that is enough from me.

blik, or some other moderator, you should close this thread.. its going nowhere.

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Originally posted by sublimation if u have any knowledge about politics and the situation at hand u will know that this terrorism is in fact target at the US and US ONLY.........

Do you really think that this terriorism will not spread or effect Canada? You are in a western nation, get a clue... Oh, I guess your mentality is what we will have to die for, again...

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Originally posted by sublimation american citizens are know for their pride/cockiness/high-self esteem ..........

Is there anything wrong with that? I would rather be in a country filled with cocky spirited patriots, then a country filled with sub-serviant posers.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 Yes we have made mistakes...no state is perfect, especially in a war situation.....dont startb acting like the U.S. is the only country that makes mistakes....and those numbers...where are u getting them from...dont pull statistics out of the air...either back-up those numbers or dont post them....

First off, I didnt "act" as if I thought the U.S is the only country that makes mistakes, i was(if you read my response properly)actually acknowledging that the "friendly fire" wasnt INTENTIONAL on behalf of the U.S. Of course other nations make mistakes,and im not saying that they are innocent, but the U.S has greatly impacted every continent with its bludgening axe. I simply do not see the death of hundreds of THOUSANDS of individuals as a mistake! Does that process through your mind.

And with respect to me pulling statistics out of the air... that is sad on your part for not knowing that those events actually happened. Try reading what other scholars and news broadcasts from other nations report. They tend to express with an unbiased and factual account of world circumstances.

But if you dont trust those sources.. try studying the works of a well respected and knowledgeable AMERICAN professor by the name NOAM CHOMSKY... he has a logical opinion about his own nation, and the real truth behind it, not what is manipulated in your media.
And if we had to back up every stat with proof... we would be writing fucking research papers on tranceaddict.
It wouldnt hurt to try and research yourself, so you can be more open minded.

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It was a mistake..i dotn think anyone doubts that...but from what is told...the U.S. pilot saw HEAVY gun fire down below and THOUGHT it was Al Queda rebels...he was unaware of ANY training excercise taking place by any allies and when he asked over the radio the command base was aware either...so he made a judgement call and decided to drop a bomb...it was a mistake that ened in trajedy....but it has NOTHING to do with him being from the U.S. Army...that could of happened anywhere by any country man....

Again, i agree that it was a mistake... i am not disputing that. It was obvious.

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and as far as the U.S. Military being any good...are you kidding me...we are one of the best...that is a fact....

If you are one of the best... why did you lose to guerilla militants in Vietnam, who utilized second hand guns and equipment? Better yet... if you are one of the best... why havent you found Osama bin Laden?

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well there is another false statement...who are u to speak for the rest of the world?.....

The rest of the world speaks for itself.. and i am a part of it.

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its amazing how so many people do however speak poorley about the U.S. and out government and military...yet the majority of time when a little dimky country needs help...who do they turn to but the U.S.

Dinky country eh! First off, these dinky countries do not ask for your help... you just involve yourself in their troubles through disinformation campaigns that are hegemonically organized. A perfect example is the "INCUBATOR BABIES" incident before the gulf war, where a young Kuwaiti girl was hired by the government to lie about Iraqi soldiers stripping babies of their incubators and setting them on the floor to die. This resulted in a huge public support for the Americans to go to war with Iraq. A whistleblower named John Mac Arthur published this in Harpers Baazar on January 6th, 1992 (after the war). With Vietnam.. you involved yourselves too... and lost.

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and it is always broadcasted world-wide when the U.S. military makes a mistake like this one...but thats only because we are a super-power and have cameras and the such shwoing it all happen,..unlike most countries who go to war and its all unknown to the public and not on the front page of the newspaper...do you HONESTLY beleive that the U.S. is the only military to foul up and kill civilians...if you do then your far from the truth....

I and many people did know what happened in Kosovo, Yugoslavia, Algeria, Rawanda.... its you who perceive that you are the only ones in the media at war becuase you are not entrenching yourself with media expressed from different perspectives. Everything has to center about you.

Also..I do beleive that other nations have rounded up and killed civilians (e.g. Isreal and its "weeding" of terrorists), but your nation has done the most. And i am HONEST in stating that.

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And 1 more thing that i have to say that ALWYAS amazes me about U.S. bashers..they always preach how everyone hates the U.S. and this and that...but u know what strikes me as being funny>?..well its the fact that MORE people a year move to the U.S. and wanna be AMERICAN citizens then and other country in the world EVER in history...how many times have you heard someone say i wanna move to Canada, China or South Africa because of the oppurtunities....i mena people do of course but nowhere near int eh amount of people begging to be American citizens...so recheck all your statements about your little fact that the entire world shares your view....its simply not true...but who am i right

In fact.. we also have many immigrants that have come to Canada,, but they dont come here becuase they want to be canadian.. they come here to escape the ruin of their nations so they can have an opportunity to become someone and live a decent life without WAR. I seriously do not agree with what you say about people comming to the U.S becuase they want to be patriotic americans... America has ample opportunity and protection. Do you honestly think people flock to your nation in order to become AMERICAN? That is ridiculous.

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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen Yes, they were mistakes. They were bad governmental mistakes that we can learn from and use our power to vote to overcome. But what about all the positive things the United States does? You write your statement like you read into the anti-American propaganda like everyone else. Did you know that the economy of the world relies upon the United States shoulders? Did you know that the United States spends BILLIONS of dollars a year on foriegn aid? Did you know that the world would be 100% Nazi controlled if it wasn't for the US?

I am not even going to dignify this with a response.

PLEASE OPEN YOUR

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