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51 gig HD DVD is official

So appearntley this was just commissioned. Don't know how much these would cost, pretty sure they're expensive.

Here's the article: http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/28/...-gets-official/

Fucking hell, these assholes are still stretching their dicks out.

Blu-Ray players are 500-600+
ps3 is 599 (soon to be 499)
Hd-DVD players still 500-600
Xbox 360 HD addon - 200 (but crippled due to lack of HDMI - 1080p over componet = not so good)
Hybird player? 2500. Even then it's not truly hybrid, it has troubles playing HD-DVDs.
Movies? Equally 25-35.

Let's fucking get ONE format and then work on that. Only that will never happen.

Sigh. They fucked up the market really well.

I disagree. Competition like this ultimately benefits the consumer.

Yep...buy something for $1000 now? Then you're an idiot.

Wait 1 year and you will get a better and faster system for about....$50.

regular dvd's still seem sharp enough for my needs.

Well, if it makes anyone feel better - we will inevitably end up with one format over the other just as with VHS and Beta.

As I've said countless times before, I'd put my money on HD-DVD over Blue Ray, any day.

The porn Industry announced that they will be going with HD. This is a huge jump for HD. If you remember correctly this was the deciding factor between the VHS/Betamax war in the 80's.

The problem with Blue ray is the amount of actual machines to burn the discs.

Disney signed an agreement with the people that make their discs that they will never record PORN, and a Disney movie in the same studio, because of the infamous mixup in one of their movies in the late 70's.

This news also says that there are WAY MORE HD units that make the discs, this will allow the Video companies to come out with discs faster to market, and at a way cheaper production.

Thus IMO HD is the winner. It just has not been declared yet.

But Blu-Ray sales are better. And more studio's are supporting Blu-Ray. Companies that are exclusively supporting HD were bribed to do so, and its only a timed exclusivity. Also, porn does not play as big of a role during this format war. Back in the BETA vs. VHS days, the only way to GET porn was via VHS. Now, you can get porn on the internet, DVD, on your TV, yada, yada, yada...the fact that HD has it isnt as big a factor as one might think.

Also, I found this interesting.

On Sony refusing porn on Blu-Ray:

"The answer is that it hasn�t. Once you get past the sensationalist headlines, there�s more to it. Big-time porn studio Vivid has announced its first Blu-ray porn movie, so there�s obviously a leak somewhere in the Blu-ray condom. Even the Blu-ray disc Association has reacted quickly by saying there is no ban against adult movie content."

From: http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37021

I dunno how trustworthy that site is, so take that news tidbit with a grain of salt if you will. I'm just the messenger.


Cheaper HD-DVD players will play a part, but also the PS3 including Blu-Ray is a factor as well. Okay, so the PS3 isnt exactly dominating, but 4 million units sold is still heads and shoulders above anything the HD-DVD camp has to offer. And that statistic is only PS3's, I dont have numbers on standalone Blu-Ray players, which obviously will bump that number even higher.

But for the love of god, can these people just choose one or the other?

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Originally posted by CONNERMAN2000 Cheaper HD-DVD players will play a part, but also the PS3 including Blu-Ray is a factor as well. Okay, so the PS3 isnt exactly dominating, but 4 million units sold is still heads and shoulders above anything the HD-DVD camp has to offer. And that statistic is only PS3's, I dont have numbers on standalone Blu-Ray players, which obviously will bump that number even higher. But for the love of god, can these people just choose one or the other?

Do you have the numbers to back that up? I had read somewhere recently (though I can 't recall where) that HD-DVD was already in near double the households that Blu-Ray players are.

But then again, I don't have any citations either - so grain, salt, etc.

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Originally posted by RJT Do you have the numbers to back that up? I had read somewhere recently (though I can 't recall where) that HD-DVD was already in near double the households that Blu-Ray players are. But then again, I don't have any citations either - so grain, salt, etc.

Here's why you probably heard that. In terms of standalone players, HD-DVD IS selling better than Blu-ray players. But, in terms of actual Blu-Ray DISCS vs. HD-DVD DISCS, Blu-ray is currently winning. This is 100% because of the PS3. About a year ago Blu-Ray players were over $1000, while HD-DVD started at around $499.99. Now, Blu-Ray players can be found for $499.99 and HD-DVD is probably between $200 and $300.

I'll find numbers a little later if you want.

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Originally posted by CONNERMAN2000 Here's why you probably heard that. In terms of standalone players, HD-DVD IS selling better than Blu-ray players. But, in terms of actual Blu-Ray DISCS vs. HD-DVD DISCS, Blu-ray is currently winning. This is 100% because of the PS3. About a year ago Blu-Ray players were over $1000, while HD-DVD started at around $499.99. Now, Blu-Ray players can be found for $499.99 and HD-DVD is probably between $200 and $300. I'll find numbers a little later if you want.

I guess what I'm getting at is that even if the PS3 has bumped Blu-Ray for the time being, I think by shear virtue of more HD-DVD players being installed in homes worldwide, the format war would follow suit.

And beyond that - all this dilly-dallying by companies saying they're "Blu Ray/HD DVD exclusive" is a load of shit that will last, at most, a year or two, until one format is the clear winner and companies are essentially forced into using it or not making any money.

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Originally posted by RJT I guess what I'm getting at is that even if the PS3 has bumped Blu-Ray for the time being, I think by shear virtue of more HD-DVD players being installed in homes worldwide, the format war would follow suit.

You really think so? Even if the player itself is selling better, wouldnt you think companies would judge the better format by which SOFTWARE is selling better rather than which PLAYER? Thats just my perspective...I think Sony made the right move by including Blu-Ray with the PS3, because it practically forces the format down consumer's throats, which is exactly what movie studios and game developers want.

Obviously it doesnt play benefit for the consumers themselves, since we inevitably have to pay more (Blu-Ray is the sole reason why the PS3 was more expensive than its competition), but it works for the Blu-Ray cause in terms of who's going to win this so called format war.


And yes, the exclusive bullshit is just both of the sides trying to pull the rest of the crew over to their decision. By 2009, one or the other will have the majority and the "exclusive" deals with disappear.

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Originally posted by CONNERMAN2000 You really think so? Even if the player itself is selling better, wouldnt you think companies would judge the better format by which SOFTWARE is selling better rather than which PLAYER? Thats just my perspective...I think Sony made the right move by including Blu-Ray with the PS3, because it practically forces the format down consumer's throats, which is exactly what movie studios and game developers want. Obviously it doesnt play benefit for the consumers themselves, since we inevitably have to pay more (Blu-Ray is the sole reason why the PS3 was more expensive than its competition), but it works for the Blu-Ray cause in terms of who's going to win this so called format war. And yes, the exclusive bullshit is just both of the sides trying to pull the rest of the crew over to their decision. By 2009, one or the other will have the majority and the "exclusive" deals with disappear.

I see what you're saying, I just think more players sold will (in the long run) mean more software sold.

Obviously the format war is far from over, so we'll see.

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Originally posted by RJT I see what you're saying, I just think more players sold will (in the long run) mean more software sold.

Your point is a good one, and I think this holiday season will be the tell-tale sign on whether or not that proves true. If I'm not mistaken, HD-DVD players can be found for as cheap as $249.99. Now, if the PS3 continues its sloppy sales, then perhaps slowly but surely the general public that ARE interested in upgrading to the whole high-def movie fiasco will choose HD-DVD over Blu-Ray.

I'm tellin ya, if it werent for the PS3, Blu-Ray would have been said and done a year ago. Blu-Ray software sales didnt overcome HD-DVD until after the PS3 hit store shelves. Like I said, I think Sony made the right move in terms of making the right decision on how to support the format they want to win: by forcing consumers to buy it.

here we go again, and a topic i'm happy to discuss

to sum up my opinion, UGH. So many formats and no time to install a standard! There's Blu-Ray and HD-DVD (and several "other" options that are getting no push such as hologram discs and 12-layer DVDs).

So JohnQ puts down $500 for a BluRay player, a nice LCD, good sound system. Life is good for a home theater enthusiast. Well, that is until a week later when he learns that his "state of the art" cable connection is outdated and considered primitive! The HDMI standard has been upgrade a whole 10th of a point and left him in the stone-age! Fuck JohnQ says to himself.
Luckily, he has a return policy of 2 weeks, so he goes back and gets himself a shiny new BD player with the upgraded standard. And all is well. So he goes on the internet to read reviews on his BD player. After attempting to ask a few questions, he disconnects in embarassment after learning AGAIN, that his BD player is out of date! 7 days after exchanging his old BD player, they are making 2-layer BD discs with a faster read speed! God damnit JohnQ says to himself again. More disc space = less compressed output!
He utilizes the 7 day return policy again and asks for the top of the line BD player, with no spare for expense. He shells out the major cash, gets a 1-million layer 500xread BD player with HDMI-FINAL and 10 free movies and a complimentary blowjob.
"surely..." John proclaims "this will last FOREVER!"
Upon turning on his television, he sees a commercial for the first line of PHOLED televisions.
"NOOOOOOOOOO!"


more in a second post..

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Originally posted by SuspicionVandit here we go again, and a topic i'm happy to discuss to sum up my opinion, UGH. So many formats and no time to install a standard! There's Blu-Ray and HD-DVD (and several "other" options that are getting no push such as hologram discs and 12-layer DVDs). So JohnQ puts down $500 for a BluRay player, a nice LCD, good sound system. Life is good for a home theater enthusiast. Well, that is until a week later when he learns that his "state of the art" cable connection is outdated and considered primitive! The HDMI standard has been upgrade a whole 10th of a point and left him in the stone-age! Fuck JohnQ says to himself. Luckily, he has a return policy of 2 weeks, so he goes back and gets himself a shiny new BD player with the upgraded standard. And all is well. So he goes on the internet to read reviews on his BD player. After attempting to ask a few questions, he disconnects in embarassment after learning AGAIN, that his BD player is out of date! 7 days after exchanging his old BD player, they are making 2-layer BD discs with a faster read speed! God damnit JohnQ says to himself again. More disc space = less compressed output! He utilizes the 7 day return policy again and asks for the top of the line BD player, with no spare for expense. He shells out the major cash, gets a 1-million layer 500xread BD player with HDMI-FINAL and 10 free movies and a complimentary blowjob. "surely..." John proclaims "this will last FOREVER!" Upon turning on his television, he sees a commercial for the first line of PHOLED televisions. "NOOOOOOOOOO!" more in a second post..

methinks johnny is a fool for caring about having the very latest tech in the first place.

for the comment about porn being the deciding factor between BetaMax and VHS, I'm pretty sure that's inaccurate. While it may have helped, I'm pretty sure the flaw since Launch Day was Sony's ASSHOLE business practices, which they have continued throughout the years on each of their technologies: the demand for royalties on all items sold using their medium.

Be it BetaMax, LaserDisc, (their HD-audio disc format), UMD(the format for the PSP) and BluRay, business executives would rather go with the option that saves them money and satisfies the consumer, than the option takes their money and satisfies the consumer.

To the note above about BD being dead had it not been for the PS3: I absolutely agree. I think the playing field is somewhat level because of the PS3, so now the movie execs are in a limbo to calculate profit-cost of dealing with 1 format or publishing across both mediums. The hands right now are in the consumers (who are making it very hard with the small mainstream trickle of dual-format players).

The initial launch of BD was filled with so many blunders and mistakes (especially the choices of their primitive codecs), which enabled the HD-DVD movies to look on par (or even superior) to their BD counterparts. Right now however, Sony has adopted the efficient codec choice of HD-DVD, and looking superb!

The handling of Blu-Ray is questionable, and of course anyone can ask if it was really necessary that the market as a whole upgrade to another new format when DVD's are still popular. But even then, we all know that HD content takes up more space. It would only be logical for the industry to move forward for a higher-capacity medium to accompany the HD craze.

Perhaps HD isnt standard just yet, but it sure as hell will be soon enough. The whole Blu-Ray/HD-DVD battle is still in its early stages when you consider that DVD's were released in 1996 and they didnt outsell VHS until 2003. Think of the timespan right there, so its reasonable to believe the same will be the case with these HD players as they will drastically reduce in price as the years progress into the 2nd decade.

The PS3 is doing for blu-ray quite like what the PS2 did for DVD.

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Originally posted by Sunsnail I disagree. Competition like this ultimately benefits the consumer.

Yeah, as in them getting all our hard earned cash with ridicules prices. really benefits us.

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Originally posted by Fledz Yep...buy something for $1000 now? Then you're an idiot. Wait 1 year and you will get a better and faster system for about....$50.

yeah dude, im sure this is correct with the current speed of HDTV/BluRay HDVD stuff.

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Originally posted by r5a Yeah, as in them getting all our hard earned cash with ridicules prices. really benefits us.

Its the competition that eventually makes those prices go down, though.

This war may never end, as each side throws a good punch after the other.



HD-DVD Regains Hardware Sales Lead
NPD figures show HD-DVD commanding dedicated hardware.
by Gerry Block

October 12, 2007 - Speaking to Video Business earlier this week, Jodi Sally, Toshiba's VP of marketing of digital A/V products, proclaimed that HD-DVD has regained its lead in dedicated hardware sales in the calendar year. Citing NPD sales figures, Sally stated that HD-DVD has been accountable for 53% of dedicated next-gen DVD hardware sales. Dedicated Blu-ray hardware comprises 44% of sales, while dual-format players make up just 3%.

Dedicated hardware does not include the PlayStation 3, which is responsible for getting several million Blu-ray players installed in American homes. Toshiba believes it can counter this advantage in 2008, however, as the company will soon be offering laptops with built-in HD-DVD drives at the popular $1,000 price point. The company estimates that it will ship 5-million HD-DVD drives for PCs and laptops next year and expects better attach rates for movie titles than the PS3 currently encourages, as various studies have recently suggested that (rather horrifyingly) only 20% of PS3 owners play Blu-ray movies on their consoles.



These numbers only pertain to standalone players...so PS3 stats are not included. Still, its to mention that soon Toshiba will start including HD-DVD drives in their PC's. Im not sure how much of an effect this will have on movie sales, since people dont really buy PC's and laptops so they can watch HD movies at their computer desk. Regardless, once one side makes a good move, the other does likewise. While the consumers want nothing but this war to end, and for the confusion and wasted money to stop, the industry reloads ammunition on both sides for the battle to continue.

Perhaps we shall all just stick to DVD until they figure this shit out.

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Originally posted by CONNERMAN2000 Perhaps we shall all just stick to DVD until they figure this shit out.

That's been my plan - I have and HD-DVD (the one for 360 - it was only $100 so I had to buy it ) player and haven't even purchased a single HD-DVD yet.

And boy-oh-boy was I glad to see the company that came out with a true HDMI output for first generation Xbox 360's...

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Originally posted by RJT That's been my plan - I have and HD-DVD (the one for 360 - it was only $100 so I had to buy it ) player and haven't even purchased a single HD-DVD yet. And boy-oh-boy was I glad to see the company that came out with a true HDMI output for first generation Xbox 360's...

What kind of TV do you have?

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Originally posted by CONNERMAN2000 What kind of TV do you have?

Not anything compatible w/ HD

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Originally posted by RJT Not anything compatible w/ HD

You and me both dude, Ive got me a TV as it is, and I cant get myself to 'upgrade' when what I have works just fine. Though Ill have to admit that most of the PS3's abilities are totally lost on me.

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