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Posted by josh4 on Sep-14-2007 21:14:

5 Myths About Terrorism

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5 Myths About Terrorism

By Alan B. Krueger
Tuesday, September 11, 2007; 12:00 AM
The Washington Post

Six years after 9/11, all too many Americans still have only a vague idea of what does -- and doesn't -- motivate terrorists. It doesn't help that many politicians exploit the anxiety that terrorism evokes to promote their own agendas. Here are five key urban legends:

1. Terrorism is a random act carried out by irrational people who hate our way of life.

If only it were that simple. In fact, terrorists are typically motivated by geopolitical grievances, not blind hatred. The agendas of individual terrorist groups vary, but their tactical goal is always more or less the same: to sow fear and confusion by deliberately targeting civilians in order to intimidate a country into changing its policies and ways.

So political calculations are key here. Citizens of countries that occupy other countries, for example, are more likely to be targeted by terrorists. In addition, wealthy democracies are more likely to be the targets of terrorist strikes than are totalitarian regimes, which suggests that terrorists deliberately strike countries that are susceptible to public pressure.

Another reason not to see terrorist attacks as random: They're often timed to occur when they can have maximum impact, such as the eve of pivotal elections. In Israel, for example, attacks by Palestinian terrorist groups bent on sabotaging peace talks are more frequent before elections when left-wing governments hold power, in hopes of pushing Israeli voters in a more hawkish direction, according to research by Claude Berrebi of the Rand Corporation and Esteban F. Klor of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.

There's even a cold logic to the time of day that terrorists pick for their attacks, which also suggests a rhythm that's far from random. My analysis of U.S. government data from the National Counterterrorism Center reveals that terrorists are most likely to strike in the morning -- in time to enter the day's news cycle.

2. Terrorists are no different than ordinary criminals.

Wrong. Criminals tend to be poor and uneducated. But terrorists tend to come from families with above-average means and are often well-educated. For example, Jitka Maleckova of the Russell Sage Foundation and I found that members of the military wing of the radical Shiite group Hezbollah who were killed in action in the 1980s and early 1990s were better educated and less likely to be poor than their Lebanese countrymen. Other researchers have found similar results for other terrorist groups. People who join terrorist organizations often have legitimate, well-paying jobs, unlike common criminals.

3. Terrorists are likely to cross into the United States from Mexico.

This is a favorite chestnut of some activists and politicians keen to tighten immigration and build a fence on the Mexican border. But the historical record doesn't bear it out. Of course, the past may not be a good predictor of the future, but terrorists have rarely crossed into the United States from Mexico. In a recent Nixon Center study of 373 Islamist terrorists, Robert Leiken and Steven Brooke concluded: "Despite widespread alarms raised over terrorist infiltration from Mexico, we found no terrorist presence in Mexico and no terrorists who entered the U.S. from Mexico." By contrast, the authors found "a sizeable terrorist presence in Canada and a number of Canadian-based terrorists who have entered the U.S." For example, Ahmed Ressam, the Algerian terrorist who tried to blow up Los Angeles International Airport in December 1999, was caught trying to cross the border from Canada into Washington state.

4. Terrorism is mainly perpetrated by Muslims.

Wrong. No religion has a monopoly on terrorism. Every major religious faith has had followers involved in terrorism. (Sri Lanka, for instance, has grappled for decades with the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam, a separatist group that pioneered suicide bombing as a terrorist tactic and hopes to create a homeland for the country's mostly Tamil minority, who are largely Hindu.) Although radical Islamic terrorists are the worry du jour because of 9/11 and Iraq, the data show pretty clearly that the predominant religion of a country is not a good predictor of whether its people will become involved in terrorism.

After all, it was not long ago that homegrown villains such as Timothy McVeigh and the so-called Unabomber were the most notorious terrorists. That makes sense; the vast majority of terrorist incidents are local, motivated by local concerns and carried out by natives. Even international terrorist events tend to be local affairs, most frequently carried out by local militants who target foreigners who happen to be in their country. (Just think of last week's foiled plot to attack U.S. targets in Germany.) This suggests that the likelihood of attack by homegrown terrorists is far greater than the threat of another 9/11-style attack by foreigners.

5. Terrorism never succeeds.

If terrorism didn't work, it would be far more rare than it now is. Sometimes terrorists do achieve their goals, which is why others continue to try the tactic.

Of course, it's not always easy to determine what the terrorists' objectives are, but sometimes their goals are pretty clear. Consider the devastating commuter-rail bombings in Madrid in March 2005, three days before Spain held congressional elections. The Islamic radicals who set off the bombs reportedly hoped to change the Spanish government. It worked. A new study by Jose Garcia Matalvo, an economist at Universitat Pompeu Fabra in Barcelona, compared absentee ballots cast before the bombings with votes cast after them on a province-by-province level. His work convincingly shows that the shock of the bombings led the Socialist Party to defeat the incumbent conservative government. Upon assuming power, the Socialist Party immediately withdrew Spanish troops from Iraq.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...1101220_pf.html


Posted by Q5echo on Sep-15-2007 02:01:

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1. Terrorism is a random act carried out by irrational people who hate our way of life.

2. Terrorists are no different than ordinary criminals.


3. Terrorists are likely to cross into the United States from Mexico.


4. Terrorism is mainly perpetrated by Muslims.


5. Terrorism never succeeds.


for starters, the myth is the author's notion that these 5 things are "myths"

intelligent people would call these 5 things "criteria" or "possibilities" or any other reason that would not imply that terror, as it exists today, is some sort of fable.

the WaPo article is, if not dishonest, deficient


Posted by Lira on Sep-15-2007 02:58:

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Originally posted by Q5echo
intelligent people would call these 5 things "criteria" or "possibilities" or any other reason that would not imply that terror, as it exists today, is some sort of fable.

Not at all.


Posted by Krypton on Sep-15-2007 05:07:

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Originally posted by Q5echo
for starters, the myth is the author's notion that these 5 things are "myths"

intelligent people would call these 5 things "criteria" or "possibilities" or any other reason that would not imply that terror, as it exists today, is some sort of fable.

the WaPo article is, if not dishonest, deficient


Washington Compost right ?

Care to debunk anything in the story?

Or how about, before the US invasion of Iraq, there was no Al-Qaida in Iraq. Now, there is, and they've even declared an Islamic State of Iraq.


Posted by Q5echo on Sep-15-2007 05:16:

okay, question. who is perpetuating this so-called myth that "terrorists are no different than ordinary criminals" aside from liberal Democrats and Clinton-era pacifists that believe terrorism is a 'police issue'?

maybe i just answered my own question.


Posted by Q5echo on Sep-15-2007 05:20:

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Originally posted by Krypton
Washington Compost right ?

Care to debunk anything in the story?

Or how about, before the US invasion of Iraq, there was no Al-Qaida in Iraq. Now, there is, and they've even declared an Islamic State of Iraq.


so what? you are so obtuse to think that those 5 things are not criteria for modern terror or imminently possible?

who in your opinion perpetuates these "myths"?


Posted by Q5echo on Sep-15-2007 05:31:

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Originally posted by Krypton
Or how about, before the US invasion of Iraq, there was no Al-Qaida in Iraq. Now, there is, and they've even declared an Islamic State of Iraq.


before the invasion of Iraq, Al Queera wasn't looking down dead end streets there either.

leave the fight to the people who have the courage to fight them, Krypton. you're not helping.


Posted by Q5echo on Sep-15-2007 05:42:

can someone please tell me who in the f**k perpetuates the so-called myth "terror is never successful"?


Posted by George Smiley on Sep-15-2007 09:06:

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Originally posted by Q5echo
can someone please tell me who in the f**k perpetuates the so-called myth "terror is never successful"?

It's not very usually successful, in fact, other than Madrid, where the specific aim was to affect the elections, it's not very often terrorist acts achieve their aims (even in Spain the election result had more to do with how the current government handled the bombing aftermath than the actual bombs themselves)


Posted by George Smiley on Sep-15-2007 09:11:

As for the first myth, that terrorism is committed by irrational people who hate our way of life - well this forum is the definitive proof of that myth. Too many people on here think the goal of terrorists is simply to kill those who are different. Not only is that the stupidest thing I've ever heard, when people who decide policy believe that, then we are truly fucked and we have no chance of ever ending terrorist attacks (which if you're a proponent of American foreign policy will be welcomed by you, as it will be welcomed by those currently deciding policy in the White House)


Posted by erdega on Sep-15-2007 12:39:

the biggest myth of course is that America is against terrorism, and islamic one in particular. America is the biggest sponsor of terrorism today directly and some indirectly. Terrorism as such can't exist without a sustaining force and you will see that America and it's allies and puppets has a leading hand in it. From balkans to iraq they have commited an untold number of terrorist attacks that have killed hundreds of thousands if not millions of people and displaced much more. If you say Iraq, I will just say that there is a legitimate resistance that targets occupation and then you have islamic forces that entered Iraq with americans and they are attacking everyone so they didn't exist before invasion and Americans only allowed them in and to develop. In fact the longer the occupation goes, the more radical elements prevail.

You will be hard pressed to find the last time American army led a decent fight, but it's always against a defenceless target be it infrastructure or civilian targets.In fact I have argued that entire American army is a terrorist force at the disposal of military/industrial/israel lobby in washington . They literally attack defenceless people to advance political and economic goals of those secret hands of power.


Posted by erdega on Sep-15-2007 12:57:

terrorism unfortunatelly succeeds many times if driven by a big enough force that doesn't care or fear for any consequences or repercussions.


Posted by Krypton on Sep-15-2007 14:52:

Uhh, why you gonna answer my question with a question??

The greatest myth is to think suicide bombers and the like are just poor downtrodden individuals wanting to go straight go heaven. That is just the key that allows them to carry out the act. The motives behind Islamic martyrdom operations in particular has a lot more to do with forcing the occupying democratic states to leave territory for which the fundamentalists hold dear. It is not individual people being pissed off and doing something about it, its a reaction to what they perceive as oppression or invasion of their land.

But if you want to believe the Bush administration that they're just criminals or whatnot, go ahead. Al-Qaida didn't just spring up out of nowhere, you know, to kill Westerners because of their freedom. That my friend is the myth Bushies would want you to believe. That the US is the victim.


Posted by Purple on Sep-15-2007 16:01:

Terrorism suceeds and thats the only option poor countries have who dont have Weapons of Mass Destruction.


Posted by Krypton on Sep-15-2007 16:59:

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Originally posted by Purple
Terrorism suceeds and thats the only option poor countries have who dont have Weapons of Mass Destruction.


I don't think having WMDs helps much, but, you have a point.

In almost every case, terrorism acts are the means by which weak country's fight the strong ones.

Criminals act for one's own self. Now, a suicide bombing is an act far from being for one's self. Though it is technically against the law, making them criminals for doing it, this terrorism is far from being a simple criminal act just for the hell of scaring people. It goes far deeper than that. And anyone who continues to say that Al-Qaida fights the west because they hate democratic freedom is just fooling themselves.


Posted by venomX on Sep-15-2007 17:52:

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Originally posted by George Smiley
It's not very usually successful, in fact, other than Madrid, where the specific aim was to affect the elections, it's not very often terrorist acts achieve their aims (even in Spain the election result had more to do with how the current government handled the bombing aftermath than the actual bombs themselves)


Wasn't Nelson Mandela part of a terrorist group? And wasn't there some Israeli terrorism going on against the British before the establishment of Israel? Those are just two that I believe were successful, surely there are many others.


Posted by Purple on Sep-15-2007 18:11:

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Originally posted by Krypton

Criminals act for one's own self. Now, a suicide bombing is an act far from being for one's self. Though it is technically against the law, making them criminals for doing it, this terrorism is far from being a simple criminal act just for the hell of scaring people. It goes far deeper than that. And anyone who continues to say that Al-Qaida fights the west because they hate democratic freedom is just fooling themselves.


+1

And venomX Ireland also took terrorism route to win their cause and they suceeded.. These examples just failed my point where I said its just the 'poor' countries who take terrorism as weapon to win..


Posted by erdega on Sep-15-2007 19:58:

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Originally posted by Krypton
I don't think having WMDs helps much, but, you have a point.

In almost every case, terrorism acts are the means by which weak country's fight the strong ones.

Criminals act for one's own self. Now, a suicide bombing is an act far from being for one's self. Though it is technically against the law, making them criminals for doing it, this terrorism is far from being a simple criminal act just for the hell of scaring people. It goes far deeper than that. And anyone who continues to say that Al-Qaida fights the west because they hate democratic freedom is just fooling themselves.


There is your myth perpetrated by big western media to absolve themselves of terrorism charges , in almost every case you will find a poor down trodden or fanatical and wanting glory person being encouraged and/or financed by a stronger or richer entity fighting a sort of a proxy war and when that doesnt' work then it's on to that entity to shed any pretense and try the dirty work themselves

On another note, WMD's help a lot , for one no one will bother you and you go from a dictator everyone tries to ignore to a statesman if you have one.

Suicide bombers do it for glory and they outweigh that over life the same way people in dangerous jobs do it for money and fame or high profile criminals . They want to leave their mark more than anything

Al Qaida fights the west because it has the same globalistic totalitarian approach of domination as Washington/London/Brussels and every mean to do it. We are witnessing a fight for global domination but like nazis and commies before them they are just likely to kill each other off along with millions of their victims and neither will deliver in the end but both are absolutelly convinced of their cause along with millions of their followers


Posted by Krypton on Sep-15-2007 20:34:

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Originally posted by erdega


Al Qaida fights the west because it has the same globalistic totalitarian approach of domination as Washington/London/Brussels and every mean to do it. We are witnessing a fight for global domination but like nazis and commies before them they are just likely to kill each other off along with millions of their victims and neither will deliver in the end but both are absolutelly convinced of their cause along with millions of their followers


So which side is right? What is the alternative?



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