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Question About Radio and Djing

well I figured I this is the right forum since its the DJ booth, but yeah, Ok well in radio you can not play a song by the same artist withing a certain amount of time (i dont know the specifics off the top of my head) but I was wondering if any of you knew if that applied to a set which contains songs by the same DJ / producer in a row?

Example: Aly & Fila @ ASOT 300:
01. Aly & Fila Present A&F Project - Uraeus (Frase Remix)
02. Mark Eteson & Jon Prior - Dynamic Stability (Aly & Fila Remix)
03. Deems - Tears of Hope (Aly & Fila 2007 Remix)
04. Aly & Fila Present A&F Project - Ankh (Breath of Life)
05. Aly & Fila vs. Amadeus - A Dream Of Peace (John Askew Remix)
06. FKN Featuring Jahala - Why (Aly & Fila Remix)
07. FKN vs. Aly & Fila Featuring Jahala - How Long
08. Lost Witness vs. Sassot - Whatever (Aly & Fila Remix)
09. Aly & Fila - Eye of Horus (Ronski Speed Remix)
10. DT8 Project - Hold Me Till The End (Aly & Fila Instrumental Mix)
11. Ben Gold - Rollcage (Aly & Fila Remix)


so could i not play that set because aly and fila are all over it?

i dont think theres any rule.. if it sounds good play it, some djs play other peoples productions many times consecutively so i woudlnt worry about it

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Originally posted by stan229 i dont think theres any rule.. if it sounds good play it, some djs play other peoples productions many times consecutively so i woudlnt worry about it

yeah there def is a rule...because like if u play some songs by the same arist really close to each other its considered like promotion or something lie that, i forget, but yeah thats what i was thinking, but its better to be safe then sorry

I wouldn't worry about it dude. I've done some guest slots down here and they never said anything about that.

Re: Question About Radio and Djing

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Originally posted by Oreoh142 Example: Aly & Fila @ ASOT 300:

the fact that it's ASOT woudln't it mean that it's been whored all over god knows how many radio stations anyway?

just an example...

having worked in radio myself, i can honestly say i've never heard any rule about playing artists in a row or close to each other

also, it's generally not a problem when producers play their own stuff, hence why there's aly and fila all over an aly and fila mix

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Originally posted by Oreoh142 yeah there def is a rule...because like if u play some songs by the same arist really close to each other its considered like promotion or something lie that, i forget, but yeah thats what i was thinking, but its better to be safe then sorry

Just lol, where do you come up with this stuff? Go look at any EM and tell me that Dj's don't play whole EP's in their sets. There is no rule about "promotion"...radio IS promotion. While it isn't/never has/never will be a rule (you think Bodzin will play other peoples stuff?), it does make you a shit DJ if you play all that stuff and don't research your tracklistings(see creativity). The only thing tracklists like those tell me is why would i hire some guy to play other peoples music if I could just play their artist CD. Now I admit I am not a fan of Trance, but has it gotten to a point where that is the only choice of things to play?

Don't be like Dj Nabisco, Dj Cocoa Puffs and DJ Gold Bond Medicated Powder...if they wanted a set by those guys they would ask no?

There's no rule but I personally don't like it, even if it is the artist playing their own tracks, ala Tyas and A&F at the latest big ASOT. I mean FFS

In LA radio, playing songs by the same artist in the same block is a big NO NO. My best friend works over at KIIS FM and they won't allow it. KSSE 107.1 (Super Estrella) won't allow it either. I know that because I've done a few mixes for them.

Actually, most stations in LA give you a list of song where to choose your set from.

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Ok well in radio you can not play a song by the same artist withing a certain amount of time

i highly doubt it's an official regulation. it's just generally considered not a good idea because you'll start to anger other artists and labels who will accuse you of payola or something

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Originally posted by DjWoody In LA radio, playing songs by the same artist in the same block is a big NO NO. My best friend works over at KIIS FM and they won't allow it. KSSE 107.1 (Super Estrella) won't allow it either. I know that because I've done a few mixes for them. Actually, most stations in LA give you a list of song where to choose your set from.

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Originally posted by DjWoody In LA radio, playing songs by the same artist in the same block is a big NO NO. My best friend works over at KIIS FM and they won't allow it. KSSE 107.1 (Super Estrella) won't allow it either. I know that because I've done a few mixes for them. Actually, most stations in LA give you a list of song where to choose your set from.

I'm guessing Ksse & Kiis are those typical play pound top 40 shit up peoples gullets non stop until they force things into hits, all the while trying to maintain an "loledge" by playing boom boom music a few hours when nobody is really listening every week? They tell you what songs to pick, because that is what radio stations like that do, and you are you. If some International DJ would get a slot, they would be told to fuck off if they presented them with a list of tracks they have to use. (see well timed payola post above)The thing is now, The Dj game has started to become the same way.

Let me let you in a little secret (bas will flip but wtvr). Big name Dj's do not always choose what they play.John Digweed for example is spoon fed tracks by Damian Lazarus. These guys are smart and play to market the music not to be innovators anymore.It has happened to top 40 (can you say this generation has music that will be looked back upon and revered like the classic rock of the 70's/new wave of the 80's/grunge alternative ...), it is what happened to trance, and through beatport it is what is happening to every single genre bit by bit. (how many people are playing the same shit right now, or god forbid only their own tracks like that hack Stephane Bodzin...Playing your own stuff ISNT DJ ing). So none of this really has any relevance to this thread, other than Cookie Monster you need to BE DIFFERENT. Stop worrying about what others play and try to come up with a concept of your own. If anyone wonders why I posted all this stuff, this thread seemed the silliest one in here at the moment. I just needed to make myself really angry after spending the whole night awake ripping german records to get myself in the mood to throw down something hard and original before it gets onto beatport and people are butchering it by mixing it with pvd and samim heater. If i am really lucky i'll even get to post the sets before greg downey and sean tyas add their magic touch to it. The best thing is i just saved a whole lot of money by swithching to geiko.

*jesus pose*

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Originally posted by all-nite-freak Let me let you in a little secret...

That's hardly a secret, most of the big DJs get someone to sift through their music for them cos otherwise there's just far too much to listen to. Some are worse than others, yes - I know certain DJs who literally get their entire set list selected by someone else, while some DJs get their record bitch to recommend a load of tunes, or generally just weed out the crap and leave them with a handful of good records.

Someone like Judge Jules for instance is on just about every mailing list known to man, plus gets sent 100s of tracks a week from individual artists hoping he'll play their tracks. All in all you're talking about a couple of thousand tracks every week, from which the best need to be found - do you really blame him for getting Simon Patterson to give him a bit of a hand?

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Originally posted by Tony Morello having worked in radio myself, i can honestly say i've never heard any rule about playing artists in a row or close to each other

I've actually heard quite otherwise from other people who have worked in radio. These are people who have gone to college and majored in radio broadcasting, both in Canada and the states. After I was told this, I then went on to pay attention to each radio station and noticed that yes, in fact, they do follow these rules.

There are definitely the exception, sure. Special shows where the artist will come in and play, or if they have a reason to play multiple versions of the song back-to-back (say they want to compare cover versions, or are doing a week long promotion where they play their entire playlist A-Z).

The same would also apply to a guest mix. It's a "special" event that differs from regular broadcasting, and as such I would think it's treated differently.

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Originally posted by Stu Cox That's hardly a secret, most of the big DJs get someone to sift through their music for them cos otherwise there's just far too much to listen to. Some are worse than others, yes - I know certain DJs who literally get their entire set list selected by someone else, while some DJs get their record bitch to recommend a load of tunes, or generally just weed out the crap and leave them with a handful of good records. Someone like Judge Jules for instance is on just about every mailing list known to man, plus gets sent 100s of tracks a week from individual artists hoping he'll play their tracks. All in all you're talking about a couple of thousand tracks every week, from which the best need to be found - do you really blame him for getting Simon Patterson to give him a bit of a hand?

I know it isn't exactly a big secret, but lets face it. Look at the question asked and that tracklisting.(please don't take offense oreo it isnt meant to be one...but your music is noob friendly.That doesn't make it bad or lesser it just is.)Everyone is on a fucking list these days...and truth be told when you push stuff for the sake of pushing it the result will ALWAYS sound like shit.(Been there done that never again) It goes beyond a DJ being lazy, but every track picked these days (mostly and especially if the set is recorded) isn't for the sake of playing a track because it works.The amount of PURE Dj's that are left can be counted on a handful.Off the top of my head , Danny Howells, Burridge (not anymore album to sell),Dave Clarke,Danny Tenaglia (yes he fucking sucks but he sucks in the way he wants to)..and not many more actually do not give a fuck about having to play certain tracks. The idea isn't behind all of these assholes just selling out, its trying to show these young guys they don't have to. Have fun with it, be different and original because lets face it...you aren't going to be the next star.(in reference to original poster and no even you reading this saying ya im going to be big...NO YOU ARENT, no one is going to pay you big bucks to play shit found on beatport.)All of this is what is leading to the demise of the DJ. Sorry if this is long winded and a bit skewed, i'm really tired, trying to get myself mad so I can play techno for the first time in years, and really I'm not that bright.

Someone say fucking Digweed/Sasha/Lawler..i dare them
Its over..Ableton is ushering in a new genration...of LIVE performers not DJ's. People only worship these same guys because they are too ashamed to fucking not to after years of stupidity and finally realizing that after a bit of Practice anyone can do it.

and don't get your hopes up when i said LIVE ableton performers..i meant actual musicians using the sequencer Mutek style...not some Geek pushing buttons to a pre made set and throwing effects onto the main channel like Dea(steve angello)mau5

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Originally posted by all-nite-freak like Dea(steve angello)mau5

are you inferring that Deadmau5 == Steve Angello? Or that they have similar styles of playing?

More on note, sometimes its not even a good idea to play two different versions of the same song either, but sometimes it works out really well and some djs do it, for example Sasha played Holden & Thompson - Come to Me (Last version) and the club mix back to back

Tranceaddict Search Steve Angello...user name

He was really big then, but i think he wishes that he didn't spend so much on those shoes.

here:http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...309403-p-1.html

this is probably one of the greatest threads in TA history and if you don't understand at least you will piss you pants laughing.

sorrry to jack the thread agian

so, deadmau5 impersonated steve angello?

Everyone and their grandmother plays Deadmau5 now, everyone and their grandmother played Angello 2 years ago. Not to many people feel like playing Angello tracks anymore and he has nicer shoes than you.

and i think what i wrote this morning might have been english, lol.

ah gotcha
yea i loved teh shoes part
and the "You are not a DJ." thats the equivalent of Donald Trump's "You're Fired."

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Originally posted by idoru I've actually heard quite otherwise from other people who have worked in radio. These are people who have gone to college and majored in radio broadcasting, both in Canada and the states. After I was told this, I then went on to pay attention to each radio station and noticed that yes, in fact, they do follow these rules. There are definitely the exception, sure. Special shows where the artist will come in and play, or if they have a reason to play multiple versions of the song back-to-back (say they want to compare cover versions, or are doing a week long promotion where they play their entire playlist A-Z). The same would also apply to a guest mix. It's a "special" event that differs from regular broadcasting, and as such I would think it's treated differently.

i've worked in radio, done the college thing, i'm educated

i haven't come across anything of the sort in CRTC and FCC guidelines, however, it could be due to music policies set forth by each individual radio station

because it really isn't all that kosher to play artists in the same block, nevermind the block but the same hour, so it's avoided at all costs

radio stations themselves put forth those policies, not CRTC or FCC

it's policies, not law, so therefore technically speaking you could, you just wouldn't be working for that station very long

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