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Cubase 4.1 / Nuendo 4 announced... ROUTING FEATURES

It's been said/rumoured for a while (since March-ish?) that the next Cubase update will have free routing/side-chaining etc.

For those Cubase 4 users, if you haven't heard already. Cubase 4.1 should be released October/November (after Nuendo 4 scheduled to be released end of Q3, lulz how many days left now?).

Here's a thread from the Cubase.net forums:

http://forum.cubase.net/phpbb2/view...4411cba5ac7e689

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Originally posted by Ron Garrison quote: Originally posted by CareerTech1 I'm a Cubase 4 user - not Nuendo - primarily wondering if Cubase 4.1 will have sidechaining. Back in March Chris posted this: quote: Originally posted by Chris Beuermann Hello, Sidechaining is coming with the next update. And it works without a problem. We had a little demo at Steinberg by the programmers. Gr, Chris http://www.cubase.net/phpbb2/viewto...ht=sidechaining Ron

Chris Beuermann is one of the Steinberg guys/mods on the boards there.

Also another guy confirmed the new routing features as well...

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Originally posted by fredrik@mi7 Hi guys. When I was down at AES in Vienna back in May Fredo and Martin was nice enough to give me a demo of Nuendo 4. Among all the new stuff they also showed me the new routing functionality and sidechaining. Trust me when I tell you that you won't be disappointed, is so flexible. As I do not really know what I can tell you so I'll better stop here. I do not wnat to have one of the managers from Steinbergs showing up at the office tomorrow! :lol: :wink: :roll:

Read the thread and you'll get a better handle of things. Steinberg is notoriously stupid when it comes to PR and CS sometimes. Probably the reason why Pro Tool dominates the market.

Anyway. I am really stoked, and I'm sure the rest of the C4 users on here are as well. Thought I'd share.

Peace,

Adam Wrzeski

Meh...

They said Q3 for 4.1. Now it's Q4, which will probably end up being Christmas. I've given up on Shitberg and started using Reaper.

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Originally posted by echosystm Meh...

...in your mouth.

No one will disagree with you about Steinberg being stupid though.

ill not buy it unless it has sidechaining. fed up with cubase delivering underpower programs. id use logic if i could afford a mac but since im so used to cubase i cant use any other pc based programs i tried the demos of. still on sx 1

Well then ster, I already own it, and when I update to 4.1 and it HAS the promised routing capabilities... I'll let you know.

the release candidate has a working implementation of sidechaining and free routing.

and btw. logic is just way, way, way behind all other daws featurewise. so don't complain about cubase it's one with the most cutting edge features.

Hmm. Where did you get a copy of that Mr. Cyrus?

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Originally posted by thecYrus logic is just way, way, way behind all other daws featurewise.

really?! how??

The only thing logic is MUCH better are the plugins. Logic is complete out of the box but like cyrus said, not much has changed since 5.5 feature-wise.

Other than stamp an Apple logo on it?

WRONG THREAD FOR THIS DISCUSSIONNNNN.

I'm hoping for a massive price drop to accompany the new version

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Originally posted by DeZmA The only thing logic is MUCH better are the plugins. Logic is complete out of the box but like cyrus said, not much has changed since 5.5 feature-wise.

I don't think you can knock EXS24 either ... I find it very handy

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Originally posted by Fledz I'm hoping for a massive price drop to accompany the new version

Are you in school Fledz? If you are, you can get the full version of Cubase 4 for half off.

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Cubase4Edu/

That sir, is baller.

If you're not a student. Just find someone that is and have them buy it for you. It's a great daw, but there's no reason to pay full price if you don't have to.

---Adam

Yea I'm at uni so qualify for the discount but if the full price drops, then so does the student price. See?

Win win

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Cubase one of the last DAW's to implement free routing and sidechaining?

- farris

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Originally posted by farris Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Cubase one of the last DAW's to implement free routing and sidechaining?

Yes.

But, stereo sidechaining isn't part of the official VST 2.X spec... So every other daw uses a proprietary plugin format or an unofficial VST hack. It is part of VST 3 though, which is only supported by Cubase 4 at the moment.

Yup. Steinberg is behind the times in that regard Farris, but they're finally catching up.

But now the question is... which developers are going to adopt VST3 the first and create 3rd party plugins that will actually take advantage of VST3's free-routing.

How long has Dididesigns "RTAS" been able to accomplish this, oh I don't know... ages?

The point is. I am excited, that the DAW that I predominately use will have new features which I have always wanted.

Word.

i don't know why nobody is doing it with quadro routing groups. it works perfect and isn't even a "hack". i use it in almost every tune and it works great..

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Originally posted by thecYrus i don't know why nobody is doing it with quadro routing groups. it works perfect and isn't even a "hack". i use it in almost every tune and it works great..

Same here. But it will be nice to have routing features for doing other tricks.

I won't defend Steinberg's ridiculously buggy production code, but in defense of their being late to the party with free routing, their glacially slow pace for development like this is not due to incompetence, it's due to these being far-reaching horizontal features. If different pieces of an application weren't all originally designed to talk to each other, then building hooks into every single one takes time, and sometimes those parts need to be completely redone (they may look the same, but I'll bet that under the hood, some major elements of Cubase 4 have completely changed from 3). And the regression testing is a nightmare.

Of course none of that changes the fact that, well, they've been taking forever - but nevertheless, free routing isn't exactly critical, there are plenty of other ways to use a side-chained compressor, and even taking that deficit into account, it still offers more features than any other sequencer (except Nuendo, obviously). They may not be features that everybody uses, and if you don't, then go ahead and use Reaper or Fruityloops - it doesn't matter as long as you're making some good tunes - just keep in mind that other people work in other ways.

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Originally posted by DigiNut [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=#99CCEE] (they may look the same, but I'll bet that under the hood, some major elements of Cubase 4 have completely changed from 3). And the regression testing is a nightmare.

Agreed. This is something I should have pointed out earlier. I get impatient, but I need to remember that Cubase was "Cubit," and before that, "Pro 24." It's taken a lot of changes for it to become the DAW that it is today.

Anyway. When I get updated to 4.1. I'll be fan-boying-it up.

now it's official. cubase 4.1 will be out second half of october. it will have the free routing and sidechainign implemented like in nuendo 4. there will also be a 64 bit preview version which runs on vista 64bit. it offers a bitbridge like sonar for using 32bit plugins in a 64bit daw environment. probably there will be also the new re-recoding capability from summing objects. (means you can direct record vst plugins to a audio channel)

the VST3 SDK will be available january 2008. a lot of the major devs are already working on a preview SDK. waves even acknowledge that they'll release VST3 plugins soon.

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Originally posted by DigiNut it still offers more features than any other sequencer (except Nuendo, obviously).

Really? What important features does Cubase have that Logic or Sonar dont?

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Originally posted by thecYrus waves even acknowledge that they'll release VST3 plugins soon.

When did waves announce that. Because I emailed them about that JUST yesterday:

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-------Answer from Waves to wrzonance at 9/24/2007 2:30:19 PM------- This is planned for future updates of Waves coming soon - development is in process. If you have any further questions, feel free to contact us direct. Best regards, Waves Sales Team 865-909-9200 x2 www.waves.com -------Original from wrzonance at 9/24/2007 2:04:00 PM------- Any word when Waves will be developing VST3 plug-ins? I''d really love to take advantage of VST3 capability in Cubase 4 with the Waves Platinum bundle; side-chaining and other routing capabilities, etc. ---Adam

Oh and super excited to record VST instruments directo to audio tracks. You can't chop up actual audio when you just freeze a track.

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Originally posted by Sanguis Mortuum Really? What important features does Cubase have that Logic or Sonar dont?

Flange

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