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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070921...mandela_bush_dc

Bush makes yet another international gaffe - captured on video!!

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JOHANNESBURG (Reuters) - Nelson Mandela is still very much alive despite an embarrassing gaffe by U.S. President George W. Bush, who alluded to the former South African leader's death in an attempt to explain sectarian violence in Iraq. "It's out there. All we can do is reassure people, especially South Africans, that President Mandela is alive," Achmat Dangor, chief executive officer of the Nelson Mandela Foundation, said as Bush's comments received worldwide coverage. In a speech defending his administration's Iraq policy, Bush said former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein's brutality had made it impossible for a unifying leader to emerge and stop the sectarian violence that has engulfed the Middle Eastern nation. "I heard somebody say, Where's Mandela?' Well, Mandela's dead because Saddam Hussein killed all the Mandelas," Bush, who has a reputation for verbal faux pas, said in a press conference in Washington on Thursday. Jailed for 27 years for fighting white minority rule, Mandela became South Africa's first black president in 1994. He won a Nobel Peace Prize for preaching racial harmony and guiding the nation peacefully into the post-apartheid era. References to his death -- Mandela is now 89 and increasingly frail -- are seen as insensitive in South Africa.

YOUTUBE:
http://www.youtube.com/v/4NKmdd0clmQ

Agreed. Too funny

dude did u watch the video link I posted???

HAHAHAHAHAHAA

The video is hysterical. LOL @ Sadam killing all the Mandelas.

repost

yeah, repost and completely inaccurate. are you guys really that foolish? i know bush says a lot of stupid things, but this isn't one of them. talk about grasping at straws

The prez is just such a great speaker...

How on earth was he ever voted in? I think the election was rigged. Never trust those electronic voting machines, because all it takes is the edit of the source code to rig an election.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN yeah, repost and completely inaccurate. are you guys really that foolish? i know bush says a lot of stupid things, but this isn't one of them. talk about grasping at straws

Uhmmmm, it's on video...

or is it a conspiracy? o.O

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Uhmmmm, it's on video... or is it a conspiracy? o.O

ok, i'll explain it for everyone:

bush is talking about leaders like mandela that iraq does (or does not) possess. and here he is saying that saddam killed all of iraq's "mandelas".

why is this so hard for everyone to understand?

it was Reuters' gaffe. not Bush's

Reuters is so stupid...and anybody who mindlessly fell for their stupidity.

like i told another lemming on this board, it's ok to hate Bush just don't develop a worldview around it.

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Originally posted by Q5echo it was Reuters' gaffe. not Bush's Reuters is so stupid...and anybody who mindlessly fell for their stupidity. like i told another lemming on this board, it's ok to hate Bush just don't develop a worldview around it.

Q5echo, I'm honored to be your sig. Please, by all means, leave me in your sig. This will help everyone who doesn't ALREADY understand that...

There would be no terrorism without western support for as george smiley made clear, middle eastern dictorial regimes friendly to western interests.

Please, don't take me down, the more people see it, the more they understand

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Originally posted by Krypton There would be no terrorism without western support for as george smiley made clear, middle eastern dictorial regimes friendly to western interests.

wow. how naive can one be? you act like the only problems in the mid east are caused by the west.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN wow. how naive can one be? you act like the only problems in the mid east are caused by the west.

Terrorism doesn't just manifest itself out of the blue...

And you ASSUME I make the assertion that all problems in the middle east are caused by the west. I assert the problems of the middle east are a combination of western interference, and dictorial regimes of the region. Shah, and Saddam (1980's) ring a bell?

i never said they come "out of the blue". just that your assumption, that there would be no terrorism without western influence is simply not true, and shows a fundamental lack of understanding of middle eastern politics.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i never said they come "out of the blue". just that your assumption, that there would be no terrorism without western influence is simply not true, and shows a fundamental lack of understanding of middle eastern politics.

Please, then enlighten my understanding.

I'm not the only one holding that view.

you want a whole treatise on the history of the middle east? how much spare time do you think i have!?

i think the tendency to ignore antagonism between middle eastern states (and actors) in favour of hating the great satan to be a little short-sighted. for instance, what do you think Osama's goal in the middle east is? if you answered "the defeat of the US" then you're failing to understand the longterm goals of the islamists- that of creating state(s) ruled by islamic law in the middle east. whilst the US is a useful bumper sticker to garner support, these problems would remain with or without foreign intervention.

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Originally posted by Krypton I'm honored to be your sig.

no youre not.

you honor madmen with no country to speak for sovereign governments that cast them out.

you validate their violent religious psychosis.

you are with the worst of Americans.

you've been duped.

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Originally posted by Q5echo no youre not. you honor madmen with no country to speak for sovereign governments that cast them out. you validate their violent religious psychosis. you are with the worst of Americans. you've been duped.

This message has been brought to you by the Republican National Committee. All rights reserved.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN you want a whole treatise on the history of the middle east? how much spare time do you think i have!? i think the tendency to ignore antagonism between middle eastern states (and actors) in favour of hating the great satan to be a little short-sighted. for instance, what do you think Osama's goal in the middle east is? if you answered "the defeat of the US" then you're failing to understand the longterm goals of the islamists- that of creating state(s) ruled by islamic law in the middle east. whilst the US is a useful bumper sticker to garner support, these problems would remain with or without foreign intervention.

Agreed.

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Originally posted by CHORE BOY Ha you r so lost.You don't know what your talking about at all!!!! No terrorism without western support. How much pot have you smoked today?Why do you hate America? Out of all your pointless rambling on this forum this one takes the cake. No amount of help will save you. Just give up.

lol so what you think they hate you because of your freedom?

sorry to burst your bubble but they dont give a fuck about your so called freedom whatsoever.I bet you think terrorists are just borned to hate the west.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 This message has been brought to you by the Republican National Committee. All rights reserved.

there are many Donks, Libs, Indies that feel the same way about people that rationalize and validate religious murderers posing as the voice of the Arab people or Arab governments.

"Soveriegn" Arab governments, as he so frequently likes to remind us, have enjoyed the relationship they've had with America for decades, BUT HE LETS MURDERERS THAT RELISH KILLING HIS FELLOW COUNTRYMEN SPEAK FOR THEM! it's f**king insane.

Krypton and many others on this board (not you) have been duped into thinking that benevolent Arab governments not violent jihadis are the ones who have been "wronged by the West" and it should be understood that whatever we get we deserve. he's dead wrong.

and if you're stuck in this myopic philosophy that calling out people that regergitate this crap is somehow a partisaned issue then you're no better than he is IMO. you become an enabler to this garbage.

Owned.

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Originally posted by Q5echo there are many Donks, Libs, Indies that feel the same way about people that rationalize and validate religious murderers posing as the voice of the Arab people or Arab governments. "Soveriegn" Arab governments, as he so frequently likes to remind us, have enjoyed the relationship they've had with America for decades, BUT HE LETS MURDERERS THAT RELISH KILLING HIS FELLOW COUNTRYMEN SPEAK FOR THEM! it's f**king insane. Krypton and many others on this board (not you) have been duped into thinking that benevolent Arab governments not violent jihadis are the ones who have been "wronged by the West" and it should be understood that whatever we get we deserve. he's dead wrong. and if you're stuck in this myopic philosophy that calling out people that regergitate this crap is somehow a partisaned issue then you're no better than he is IMO. you become an enabler to this garbage.

I know what you were sayin' - no need to go into it. I won't speak for Krypton, but I think your argument holds up only to a certain degree. If you are going to hold this position, then I think you have to be logically consistent and hold that position for ALL islamofascists and ruthless dictators in the Middle East and elsewhere, and not just the Hitler-branded flavor of the month.

Does the Iranian douche deserve his outright criticism from the school President and everyone else? Damn straight he does. He comes into our land and walks on our turf, then he'd better face the fucking music that not too many people like the things that he does. But in the same token, should we not be holding ALL dictators in the same light, rather than do business with them, hold their hands as we walk side by side, and rarely bring up their names when we refer to big meanie dictators?

That's the part that gets me. Either we hold EVERYONE in the same light and the same principles, or we don't. And it's obvious that we simply do not. We decide who is the eeeeevil dictator for the short term goal, and discard the logically inconsistent as if it never existed. I'm sorry but it doesn't hold water. The truly scary thing to me is I'm becoming more and more convinced that the true neoconservatives left out there have never even bothered to examine their inconsistencies. I used to think they willfully ignored it, but nowadays I'm more convinced that they've truly convinced themselves of the doublespeak.

Finally, one quick word about the Iranian president speaking in our country on college ground. I was initially against this idea without actually examining the situation in detail. But now that I've thought about it more I think it would have been absolutely wrong of us to deny his voice. The academic institution is the pinnacle of voicing all viewpoints as well as being prepared to support those viewpoints when confronted. Our country was founded on these principles of free speech as guaranteed by the First Amendment, and though it applies to American citizens I think it would be highly hypocritical at best if we not demonstrate those same principles to others around the world, no matter how disgusting or how much we may disagree with those views. Our country was not created to quell such voices, but rather for those who hear it to decide on their own what is right or wrong (provided it doesn't incite a riot, of course).

We cannot simply decide when and where that free speech principle applies arbitrarily to those voices that we merely like most, can we? If that were the case, we wouldn't be hearing all those lovely voices from, say the KKK or even my Topeka "God Hates $%^#" Phelps neighbors. Now wouldn't that be a tragedy?

Seriously, these disgusting voices are guaranteed because the principle of free speech is not arbitrarily applied to whoever we choose. Most people can listen to the Phelps (well, try to at least) and realize within a few seconds that they are plain batshit crazy. In the same token, most folks can listen (and should listen) to the entire event yesterday, hear the Columbia U. President take the little shit to the woodshed, and see how he steadfastly refused to answer any of those critical points made against him, and come to the conclusion that the little turd is a chickenshit coward in a true spotlight.

That's a basic conclusion that is difficult for anyone to miss, and I think THAT is worth giving him a voice. And I would take that situation any day of the week versus refusing to allow him to speak because I just don't like him much. Have some faith in the people. It's what our country was founded on - hearing ALL voices and letting the people decide what's best for themselves. We simply can't take that principle away on any grounds.

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Originally posted by CHORE BOY Ha you r so lost.You don't know what your talking about at all!!!! No terrorism without western support. How much pot have you smoked today?Why do you hate America? Out of all your pointless rambling on this forum this one takes the cake. No amount of help will save you. Just give up.

This message brought to you by Bush-Cheney.

Not a single point made. Congrats, you suck at debate. Go fuck youself

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no youre not. you honor madmen with no country to speak for sovereign governments that cast them out. you validate their violent religious psychosis. you are with the worst of Americans. you've been duped.

I love how quickly you idiots resort to calling us terrorist lovers, anti-american, and whatnot. Great intellectual argument.

I'm against American foreign policy AND domestic policy. Sorry if that makes me anti-american dipshit

I never ever said I supported terrorism or OBL, something you guys assume for some reason. But I find it pathetic that here we are going goo-goo-gah-gah over Iran, which has no military capability of striking our country, AND had NOTHING TO DO WITH 911!! Again, Bush's agenda is securing the energy supply. I would not be surprised that OBL has taken the back seat, and we're picking fights with any regime that doesn't bow down to our holy ways.

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you want a whole treatise on the history of the middle east? how much spare time do you think i have!? i think the tendency to ignore antagonism between middle eastern states (and actors) in favour of hating the great satan to be a little short-sighted. for instance, what do you think Osama's goal in the middle east is? if you answered "the defeat of the US" then you're failing to understand the longterm goals of the islamists- that of creating state(s) ruled by islamic law in the middle east. whilst the US is a useful bumper sticker to garner support, these problems would remain with or without foreign intervention.

So you are essentially validating foreign intervention. Why don't you just say that? Terrorism would not be here as it is today if...

1. No Palestinian Exodus
2. No UK/US interference in Egypt (1950's), Iran (1901-1979), Iraq (ww1, ww2, 2003)

You people talk about rights in Iran. Well what about the rights of American allies, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Ethiopia? Were'nt the 911 hijackers SAUDI? Stop watching Fox News, the most conservatively biased channel on air. They make an abomination of journalism, which is SUPPOSED to be non-biased. But hey, they are owned by Rupert Murdoch and his News Corporation, which owns HUNDREDS OF NEWSPAPER, MAGAZINES, AND TV CHANNELS. ALL OWNED BY ONE MAN. RUPERT MURDOCH. But keep believing the garbage they spew for Mr. Bush's agenda, which is to save face, and continue our war-mongering.

Oh, an explain the flip flop of...

Our support for Saddam Hussein. Mr. Rumsfeld met with Saddam the very day he used chemical weapons against Iranians. Hmm, NO WONDER IRAN IS PISSED. We helped Saddam...

Explain our support for the Saudi monarchy, which oppresses its people more than Iran! OBL is a wahabi sunni. Women can't fucking drive! But, hey oil trumps rights, so I guess its ok...

Explain our support for the mujahiddin in Afghanistan, then our flip flop to fighting them, because they fight for muslim lands sovereignty.

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I think for you to believe what you believe, OBL has to be a mindless mass murderer, Iran has to be an arch-enemy of the US, and all terrorism is unconnected to any policies of the west...

Nope, I have not been duped, I have been enlightened. You should do the same. You know Bush is the worst president of our generation. Even worse the Nixon or Carter. But you love him, and you will blindly follow him. A good president does not split his people. A good president does not start unpopular wars. That is everything Bush has done.

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