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don't forget about burma

i really don't care about that jailed up celebrity, but when they hurt the monks, then it gets personal.

I wonder if the Americans will be supporting the overthrowing of a dictatorship when the alternative is a religious theocracy?!

I think a Buddhist theocracy would be quite nice to live in personally!

Seriously tho, I hope they don't end up like in 1988 where 1000s died. I'm not sure how successful peaceful protests will be against a military regime that doesn't give a shit. It's not like India where Ghandi led a successful peaceful protest against the British because Britain cared and had to act on international pressure, but Burma is already under international pressure and doesn't care.

Hopefully they can get some of the army on their side as this is the main source of power for any dictatorship...

I agree, if the regime doesn't see some form of incentive to cave into demands, they simply won't.

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Originally posted by George Smiley I wonder if the Americans will be supporting the overthrowing of a dictatorship when the alternative is a religious theocracy?! I think a Buddhist theocracy would be quite nice to live in personally!

Did you know that Buddhism is the only religion that says masturbation, homosexuality, etc. are all OK?

I take it that you don't know much about Hinduism.

Can't believe this thread is not constantly at the top!

This is by far the most significant event that is happening in the world right now!

Latest developments:

Minimum of 9 people killed so far
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/as...fic/7016608.stm

Burmese government has blocked the internet
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...t/wburma828.xml
This is very bad as most of the information and images escaping Burma were transmitted via the internet. Without these I think the military could come down hard behind the "curtain" where noone can see what they are doing

European Parliament has condemned the Junta, China and Russia and called for targetted economic sanctions
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/.../default_en.htm

Yet I find myself not caring at all. Can somone remind me why it's so important?

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Originally posted by The Arbiter Yet I find myself not caring at all. Can somone remind me why it's so important?

Maybe you could explain to the rest of us why you even bothered to post on this thread if you don't care?

I can't speak for anyone else, but the prospect of the masses rising up against a brutal military dictatorship is something I find incredibly interesting and support wholeheartedly, and judging by the coverage this is receiving in the press I'm not alone in my thoughts...

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Originally posted by George Smiley Can't believe this thread is not constantly at the top! This is by far the most significant event that is happening in the world right now! Latest developments: Minimum of 9 people killed so far http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/as...fic/7016608.stm Burmese government has blocked the internet http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...t/wburma828.xml This is very bad as most of the information and images escaping Burma were transmitted via the internet. Without these I think the military could come down hard behind the "curtain" where noone can see what they are doing European Parliament has condemned the Junta, China and Russia and called for targetted economic sanctions http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/.../default_en.htm

this was Bush 3 days ago at the UN.



we dropped massive sanctions on the leaders yesterday (we're alone so far) and we're sending an Envoy today.

Yes, because the press represent the views of the population.

That post was simply my own arrogant way of asking you why you care.

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Originally posted by The Arbiter Yes, because the press represent the views of the population.

Sometimes. Sometimes the population represents the views of the press.

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That post was simply my own arrogant way of asking you why you care.

You said you didn't care about it, I asked you why...

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Originally posted by George Smiley I wonder if the Americans will be supporting the overthrowing of a dictatorship when the alternative is a religious theocracy?! I think a Buddhist theocracy would be quite nice to live in personally! Seriously tho, I hope they don't end up like in 1988 where 1000s died. I'm not sure how successful peaceful protests will be against a military regime that doesn't give a shit. It's not like India where Ghandi led a successful peaceful protest against the British because Britain cared and had to act on international pressure, but Burma is already under international pressure and doesn't care. Hopefully they can get some of the army on their side as this is the main source of power for any dictatorship...

Actually, the alternative is democratic reform..

Burma sounds so much better than Myanmar, those dam dictators have no creativity!

www.avaaz.org

Sign the patition. Support the monks

This shit is sad news. Monks are the bestest people on the face of these earth, they dont explode with c4, they dont carry firearms, they just do things peacefully.

Still violence is acted upon them. World is fucked up, and funny thing is, the big brother over there in south east asia, ASEAN, is barely doing anything bout it.

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd Did you know that Buddhism is the only religion that says masturbation, homosexuality, etc. are all OK?

Buddhism is more of a philosophy then it is a religion

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Originally posted by SiLveR_NrGy_985 Buddhism is more of a philosophy then it is a religion

Its a religion with philosophy as its backbone.

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You said you didn't care about it, I asked you why...

No you didnt. You asked me why I posted in the thread.

But knowing you will pursue an arguement of semantics I will answer your question: Its not my country and its not my problem.

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Originally posted by The Arbiter No you didnt. You asked me why I posted in the thread. But knowing you will pursue an arguement of semantics I will answer your question: Its not my country and its not my problem.

"Science may have found a cure for most evils; but it has found no remedy for the worst of them all -- the apathy of human beings."
-Helen Keller

"In Germany, the Nazis first came for the communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I didn't speak up because I was a protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak for me."
-Pastor Martin Niemoller

"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality."
-Archbishop Desmond Tutu

Great quotes man. I think some people here take even their apathy for granted. When you lose your freedom don't you kind of lose your right whether to care or not to care?

At least Burma/Myanmar is getting some attention in the news.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7022437.stm

These monks peacefully protested against their government, and in turn their government jails them. Lovely that some people don't care

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071001...people_stallone

When my country is directly threatened or attacked I will be one of the first to sign up and do somthing about it. Until then I do not regard the human race with enough respect or care, not being worthy of, to pretend my support is somehow going to help them.

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Originally posted by The Arbiter No you didnt. You asked me why I posted in the thread. But knowing you will pursue an arguement of semantics I will answer your question: Its not my country and its not my problem.

+1.

The neocons would see this as a business opportunity..

Just found this video from inside Myanmar:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UqQaizM15Q

The situation doesn't seem as bad as the media has made it out to be. Clearly there's a lot of disscent and the media black out is quite disturbing. In the end I think that the government is aware that the world is watching and that oppression is just to difficult now.

In response to why we should care about what's going on in Myanmar, opression has a tendancy to spread, as does stability. The more stable the world the better off everyone is. That's not to say advocating military strikes is a good idea, but engaging the ruling class might be a good start. There are enough examples of transitional power arangements that Western leadership should be able to demonstrate to the generals how the country can begin to join the world civilization in a slow and ordered way.

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