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It is time to start supporting your candidates..

Who would you support and why? Be specific!

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My pick is Ron Paul

Ron Paul's presidency would...
1. Let Americans keep their own money. This will be done by total reformation of the tax code.
2. End the IRS. Thus removing the bureaucracy of the bloated tax code.
3. Stop central bankers "inflation tax". Why give a private central bank control of the money supply only to charge interest on fiat money paid for by the consumer (us)?
4. Stop the financial dependency on China, Sauda Arabia and other foreign governments. Who is paying for the neocon wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Let me give you a hint, it ain't the American tax payers, which means we are in debt to foreigners.
5. Oppose trade deals and groups that threaten American sovereignty. (NAFTA, UN, GATT, NAU, WTO, CAFTA, ICC, etc.)
6. Protect our privacy and stop the national id card. Trust me, the government will tell you this is for you "safety". The national id card is nothing more than a step towards control of the citizenry. Think RFID chips...
7. Protect our constitutional rights and abolish the Patriot Act. The Patriot Act really is UNpatriotic in that it goes against the constitution. Realize the government has the power to label anyone they please a terrorist, thus classifying them as combatants which have no constitutional rights as average criminals have.
8. Secure our borders and end illegal immigration. The same groups behind NAFTA want our borders open so we can be pushed towards this unconstitutional union of our states to foreign countries.
9. End "birthright" citizenship for illegal aliens. It's no surprise that families are separated by deportation. The kids are given birthright citizenship while the parents are deported.
10. Bring our troops home from no-win "police action". Do you honestly believe the same people whose loyalty lies with corps and family dynasty will divert from their agenda of plundering the land of Iraq and continueing the conquest of the ME??...

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/files/RP2008SlimJim.pdf
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9 out of 10 of the candidates are panderers to special interests and will continue to work not for the American people, but for their business interests. Ron Paul is different and is in my opinion one of the last hopes for peaceful revolution in the this country. Please support him by going to...

www.ronpaul2008.com
http://ronpaul.meetup.com/

By supporting Ron Paul, you support the power of the people, constitution, and life, liberty, and property rights. End the corporate dictatorship!!!

Ron Paul also wants to abolish the United Nations, Department of Education, and Department of Homeland Security. As much as I may think he's right on a few issues, he's a kook.

True that, I don't think America could survive without the chart.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Ron Paul also wants to abolish the United Nations, Department of Education, and Department of Homeland Security. As much as I may think he's right on a few issues, he's a kook.

He wants to reform several institutions. Not completely abolish them. The UN? How the hell is he going to abolish the UN? The Dep of Homeland Security will be the future gestapo of the US when these bankers establish the RFID chip in everyone. Not saying its imminent, just saying where our future is headed if we just vote in another pandering politician...

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Originally posted by Sunsnail True that, I don't think America could survive without the chart.

DHS coordinates between 20 former government administrative entities. Yes, it's a bureacracy. But it's far more efficient than the assortment of mini-bureacracies we had before. DHS now incorporates nearly 300,000 employees in its various forms. Do you simply abolish it or create a new bureacracy in its place? Or do you hand over homeland security efforts to the DoD? That kind of restructuring is insane.

And privatizing all education in this country? I'm sorry, but it's not feasible and it closes the doors to millions. If it weren't for financial aid, millions would not be able to attend college. And Ron Paul wants to make high school the same way.

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Originally posted by Krypton 5. Oppose trade deals and groups that threaten American sovereignty. (NAFTA, UN, GATT, NAU, WTO, CAFTA, ICC, etc.)

Also, Ron Paul is one of the largest supporters of free trade in the House of Representatives today.

High school should be private. You want the state teaching your kids???

The state can SUBSIDIZE education, but never should the state be the one doing the educating. It's now wonder I was so disillusioned by my public education. It feels like an impersonal box, where you either conform or drop out. What a mess...

He's much more reasonable than it may seem. He admits that there needs to be a long period of transition.

Here is an interview at John Hopkins

http://www.sais-jhu.edu/media/sept2...npaul091107.mp3

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Also, Ron Paul is one of the largest supporters of free trade in the House of Representatives today.

Free trade is good when it doesn't violate our national sovereignty...

um...public education is 95% funded on the STATE level. All Paul wants to do is reduce/eliminate federal control over education. Give the power back to the states, and the people.

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Originally posted by Krypton High school should be private. You want the state teaching your kids???

As a graduate of a public high school, I have no problem with the state funding public education. Your mysterious "state" isn't doing the teaching - individual teachers are, and they have a great deal of flexibility within implemented curriculums to tailor their style and efforts to their individual students. I never once had a problem with state involvement in my education... well, until No Child Left Behind, which is just stupid. But the Department of Education? Expensive, but necessary.

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The state can SUBSIDIZE education, but never should the state be the one doing the educating.

First of all, since when has "the state" done the educating? They hire teachers just like any private school does - and many of the teachers I had were continually offered jobs at private schools and turned them down because they beleived in the principles of public education - universal access for all. Anything else widens the gap even further between educated and uneducated in this country. Ron Paul says he stands for the basic principles of this country, and yet he seems to have forgotten Equality of Opportunity.

Ron Paul doesn't want to subsidize education - he wants to give a flat $3000 tax credit (not vouchers, just a tax credit) for people to choose their own private school, regardless of the cost or financial situation of the family in question. After all, anything else would be "unfair treatment." So a family living at the poverty level will be given a tax credit of $3000, even though much more would be needed to actually send its children to tuition-based schools, and many don't qualify for paying $3000 in taxes in the first place!

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It's now wonder I was so disillusioned by my public education. It feels like an impersonal box, where you either conform or drop out. What a mess...

Ask anyone who went to private school - it's the same thing. It's ridiculous to argue that Catholic high school would feel somehow more personal just because it's funded by the church and not by the US government.

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Originally posted by Capitalizt um...public education is 95% funded on the STATE level. All Paul wants to do is reduce/eliminate federal control over education. Give the power back to the states, and the people.

Right, and have vastly different curriculums in Idaho and Delaware. If you treat each state like a market you will realize very quickly that each state's education system will develop very differently. And that prices and quality are going to vary enormously based on what state you live in. Poor states, like W. Va will probably have a mining curriculum, and rich states corporate finance. It doesn't make any sense - we have a level playing field for a reason - so that parents aren't lying when they tell their children they can be anything that they want to be.

From the New Hampshire debate this summer:

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You say that you would eliminate the IRS, the CIA, the Federal Reserve, the Department of Homeland Security, Medicare. You used to want to end the FBI. But if you get rid of the CIA, let alone the FBI, how would President Paul have any idea, any intelligence of what our enemies, foreign and domestic, are up to? Paul: Well, you might ask a better question. Before 9/11, we were spending $40 billion a year, and the FBI was producing numerous information about people being trained on airplanes, to fly them but not land them. And they totally ignored them. So it's the inefficiency of the bureaucracy that is the problem. So, increasing this with the Department of Homeland Security and spending more money doesn't absolve us of the problem. Yes, we have every right in the world to know something about intelligence gathering. But we have to have intelligent people interpreting this information.

Notice he didn't answer the question? I'm no hawk, but I am realistic enough to realize the importance of having organizations like the FBI, CIA, and Homeland Security around. And eliminating Medicare? Again, completely unfeasible. It's the primary form of medical coverage for roughly 50 million Americans.

Don't get me wrong, Ron Paul serves a purpose. He's the best on either side of the aisle to point out problems with the existing system. But the answers are widely radical. He wants to fix the system by destroying it, not reforming it.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Don't get me wrong, Ron Paul serves a purpose. He's the best on either side of the aisle to point out problems with the existing system. But the answers are widely radical. He wants to fix the system by destroying it, not reforming it.

I would disagree, but I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. By all means, support your own candidate. That's what this thread is all about. Maybe I should make that clearer in the first post..

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