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Posted by CarlosM on Apr-24-2002 13:05:

Friction Between Record and Slipmat

Hey Guys.. well... I have a question.. I Have like 30 records, and i get a new pair of Slipmats... my question is: Why some records have more or less friction with the Slipmat than Other records... there are Records that are like too soft.. and is a little difficult to cue cuz u have to push a little.. and if u push too much or too less will be out of sync... by example my record of Out of Blue is TOO Soft and i always have little problems cueing, I really dont know about the Anti-Skate Option of the mk2-1200.. is this has to do with this problem??.. or I just have to know how to cue each album??
Can i FIx this?

Thaks in Advance


Posted by Great Outdoors on Apr-24-2002 14:33:

Each record was made in a different way, so each record is going to have a different amount of friction on your slipmats. Maybe you can try to correct this problem by giving the record a little nudge or holding it back a little (as according) after releasing it on cue to correct the discrepency. Hope this helps.


Posted by CarlosM on Apr-24-2002 16:51:

quote:
Originally posted by Great Outdoors
Each record was made in a different way, so each record is going to have a different amount of friction on your slipmats. Maybe you can try to correct this problem by giving the record a little nudge or holding it back a little (as according) after releasing it on cue to correct the discrepency. Hope this helps.


U mean... just move the Vinyl to know how frction with the SLipmat has??.. to know the force that i have to do in each record??


Posted by oDrori on Apr-24-2002 18:59:

The biggest factor is the thickness of the vinyl (Or how "Tall" the vinyl is when you put it on the mat...) the thicker ones simply weight more...


Posted by Technaut on Apr-24-2002 19:08:

Talking

I know exactly what this man means!!

I have a few vinyl's which are just simply too damn slippy , they won't stick to the slipmat at all. Nothing you do can help this!

Some of them don't even start turning for like 2-3 seconds after you press the start button and just leave the record to start on it's own. It's weird cos the other side of the vinyl is the opposite.

If you look closey at the vinyl you will see on the side that doesn't 'stick'- the label part stick's out a bit so the 'vinyl' only touches the slipmat a tiny bit (because the label part is on the slipmat). The other side of the label is vice versa and all the 'vinyl' part touches the slipmat hence no probs with cueing the record


Is someone knows who to cure this PLEASE let me know

Technaut


Posted by ingentis on Apr-24-2002 19:21:

quote:
Originally posted by Technaut
Some of them don't even start turning for like 2-3 seconds after you press the start button and just leave the record to start on it's own. It's weird cos the other side of the vinyl is the opposite.

Is someone knows who to cure this PLEASE let me know

Technaut


i have 1 record that does this, and i was pissed when it did. PvD seven ways

any help would be greatly apperciated


Posted by Pjotr G on Apr-24-2002 19:35:

if one side moves too easily and the other side too harshly your record is probably warped. flatten it by stacking some big books on top of it for a week.


Posted by Technaut on Apr-24-2002 19:40:

Talking

quote:
Originally posted by Pjotr G
if one side moves too easily and the other side too harshly your record is probably warped. flatten it by stacking some big books on top of it for a week.


nah mate I dont think its warped the man is talking about.

It's just basically the way the record has been pressed.


Posted by DJTJ on Apr-24-2002 20:10:

quote:
Originally posted by Technaut


nah mate I dont think its warped the man is talking about.

It's just basically the way the record has been pressed.


No, I think you'll find it is warped. If you put the record on in the way that you normally do when it is really slippy, then the you'll see that the record is slightly concave facing upwards (if you hold it up to your eye you'll notice this, anyway). This means that it is only really in contact with the slipmat where the label is, and this makes it more slippy. I have a few records like this, and I have tried to cure them by putting heavy stuff on them for weeks. It doesn't really work too well at all, you're just going to have to learn to live with it. Be more delicate with the record when cueing it up and you should be fine!


Posted by Dj Thy on Apr-24-2002 20:49:

Have to agree with DJTJ here (again )

As for the difference between slippy and not so slippy records, the size of the centerhole plays a very important role here too. Some records just "squeeze" the spindle more.

There's basically two ways to change the centerhole size.

If it's too big (record is very loose, starts very slow on both sides) : get some scotch tape, and apply two tabs of tape in a cross patter over the hole. Then turn the record around and put it on your TT. The spindle will punch through the tape, making the tape fill the centerhole a little. It will be a tighter fit then. If it's not enough, do the same on the other side of the record. If it's not yet enough, use more tape.

If it's too small (trouble to put the record on the platter, record is very tight) : stick a pencil through the centerhole and wiggle it a little bit. I said a little bit, you don't want to make the hole too big (otherwise, see above)


Posted by sergedg on Apr-24-2002 21:31:

quote:
Originally posted by Technaut
I know exactly what this man means!!

If you look closey at the vinyl you will see on the side that doesn't 'stick'- the label part stick's out a bit so the 'vinyl' only touches the slipmat a tiny bit (because the label part is on the slipmat). The other side of the label is vice versa and all the 'vinyl' part touches the slipmat hence no probs with cueing the record


Is someone knows who to cure this PLEASE let me know

Technaut


Well if the record is warped flatten it like some others already explained. If that does not work try this.

When cuewing the record put your fingers in a circle on the label pressing it down abit and cue it by rotating the hand. then let ot go and heping it a bit to get up to speed. when you do this you will puch it a little into the slipmad making it stik a bit better and making cueing a bit easier.

Try it some times to get the fealing and the presure you have to apply.

Hope this helps


Posted by CarlosM on Apr-25-2002 04:44:

Thanks for Your Help i think i will have to know how to live with thems like TJ said.



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