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Posted by FromAbove on Oct-02-2007 02:21:

What do PvD and AvB use to make tracks?

Do they use programs like Reason and Cubase?


Posted by System101 on Oct-02-2007 02:26:

its not the program its how you use it..

get comfortable with one program, learn it inside out!


Posted by echosystm on Oct-02-2007 02:31:

Armin uses Logic & Ableton.

But yes, it is not the program, it is how you use it. Moreso than ever, there are very few differences between Sonar, Logic, Cubase, Ableton, etc. For example, Ableton's claim to fame was partly the warp marker stuff. Cubase (since SX3) and Sonar (audiosnap) both have this kind of thing now.


Posted by Khayat on Oct-02-2007 04:25:

in addition what the guys said above 90% of the Big ones use Logic and AVB A&B are one of them
but don't 4get that this is the DAW while they have thousands of synthesizers and vst instruments inside this DAW so u can buy Logic but this will never make u sound like them


Posted by Khayat on Oct-02-2007 04:27:

...and PVD uses Ableton for live performances so I guess he uses it in the studio ofcourse with other Software DAWs , VSTs and syths


Posted by d4dirty on Oct-02-2007 05:08:

quote:
Originally posted by Khayat
in addition what the guys said above 90% of the Big ones use Logic and AVB A&B are one of them
but don't 4get that this is the DAW while they have thousands of synthesizers and vst instruments inside this DAW so u can buy Logic but this will never make u sound like them


I don't want to start an argument here because I totally agree with you but I don't think you can say that 90% of well known producers use logic. A good chunk of pro studio's use pro tools, another good chunk use cubase I think the actual numbers would be a lot fairer.

That being said, with enough practice and enough ingenuity you can use any single DAW out there to make tracks like the pro's.


Posted by derail on Oct-02-2007 05:36:

I'd also like to see where that 90% figure came from.

Khayat, can you just list for us, from the most recent top 250 djs list, those dj's who also produce tracks, what software they use? That way we can see for ourselves that "90% of the Big ones use Logic".

If you can't provide the list, provide a suitable explanation for the 90% figure.

(edit - it doesn't have to be the top 250. It can be the top 10 or 20, if that'll make it easier. Or how are you defining the "Big ones"?)



In response to the original question - I don't know what those two in particular use. Is there a reason you only want to know what those two guys use? It doesn't matter what other top producers use? Because fantastic sounding tunes have been made with every piece of software and hardware out there. You work out what works for you personally. Try out software demos, try out synths, work out what will work for you.


Posted by kitphillips on Oct-02-2007 05:47:

Pro tools isn't that popular for dance as far as I'm aware.... I've tried and its really hard to use for anything requiring loops. Cubase and logic are the two popular ones, but ableton and reason are close behind probably followed by sonar. As someone already said, its not the DAW, its more the VSTs and even more the person using them.

I would like to conclude by asking why this guy has not been slaughtered yet? This is a pretty daft question really and I've seen much more intelligent questions get flamed for at least 3 or 4 days


Posted by I<3acid on Oct-02-2007 06:19:

am i the only person who thinks flstudio is more widely used (even professionally) than reason?


Posted by kitphillips on Oct-02-2007 07:07:

Actually that was the one I forgot... I guess its probably used as much as sonar, I think reason was probably more common, but its old now, so its popularity has given way a little. But then again, so is FL, so maybe they're still equal.


Posted by derail on Oct-02-2007 07:47:

I assume FromAbove hasn't been producing that long. It's a fair question if you're starting out, what do my favourite producers use? After a while producing you realise it doesn't matter what they use, it only matters what you use.

If people flame a guy who wants to learn about producing and making excellent music, then they're here for the flaming, not for the love of the music.


Posted by kitphillips on Oct-02-2007 07:50:

quote:
Originally posted by derail
I assume FromAbove hasn't been producing that long. It's a fair question if you're starting out, what do my favourite producers use? After a while producing you realise it doesn't matter what they use, it only matters what you use.

If people flame a guy who wants to learn about producing and making excellent music, then they're here for the flaming, not for the love of the music.


Yeah I agree, but a quick read through the forums would have let him know this stuff. I'm not saying his question was THAT bad, its just that I've seen more reasonable questions get flamed.


Posted by derail on Oct-02-2007 08:13:

You're right.

FromAbove, read the Production FAQ, I think point number 8 could be what you're looking for. Or use the search function to see whether this question has been answered recently.


Posted by richg101 on Oct-02-2007 08:24:

logic is definately considered the best sequencer for dance music.

i use cubase and have been told many times by many different people that i should move to logic. the output has that slight nicer feel to it and generally the way it works is better suited to dance production.

pro tools is seems to be considered as something for live recording of real instraments more than dance music sequencing. many say it is not efficient for dance sequencing.

as said though, its not the sequencer - its the skills used.


Posted by Storyteller on Oct-02-2007 09:38:

There was a time when most guys I looked up to worked with ProTracker on the Amiga... 4 tracks max... those where the days
My first sequencer could already do 16 tracks though. With my bad ass 16Mhz computer (40Mhz when turbo mode was switched on!!!)


Posted by echosystm on Oct-02-2007 13:12:

quote:
Originally posted by Storyteller
40Mhz when turbo mode was switched on!!!


ahaha, i remember that shit!
133 to 166. Loves teh turbo button.

my computer even had a little lcd screen to tell you it was working haha.


Posted by Khayat on Oct-02-2007 13:29:

quote:
Originally posted by derail
I'd also like to see where that 90% figure came from.

Khayat, can you just list for us, from the most recent top 250 djs list, those dj's who also produce tracks, what software they use? That way we can see for ourselves that "90% of the Big ones use Logic".

If you can't provide the list, provide a suitable explanation for the 90% figure.

(edit - it doesn't have to be the top 250. It can be the top 10 or 20, if that'll make it easier. Or how are you defining the "Big ones"?)



In response to the original question - I don't know what those two in particular use. Is there a reason you only want to know what those two guys use? It doesn't matter what other top producers use? Because fantastic sounding tunes have been made with every piece of software and hardware out there. You work out what works for you personally. Try out software demos, try out synths, work out what will work for you.

Well hehehe I only ment that its the best DAW (Sequencer) out there
used by Above & beyond Andy moor Sean Tyas BT Blank & jones and I can remeber seeing Tiesto using it


Posted by kitphillips on Oct-02-2007 13:40:

Oh? Well if tiesto uses it then I guess it must be good! Did I tell you that the other day I put some sidechain compression on my stutter edits and made myself sound like BT crossed with Markus Shulz, only more like tiesto... only more like DJ sammy... only not as good?

@ Rich, I think if you ran logic, people would say you should run cubase. Logic and cubase are pretty equal for dance music as far as I'm aware, I certainly don't think there is a "best" sequencer...

I'd forgotten about those little turbo buttons too...


Posted by derail on Oct-02-2007 13:44:

Those are some good producers. I'll have to check out a demo and try it. One of my friends uses Logic, he says it's a bit "quirky" but he's gotten used to using it. I have no doubts that fantastic productions come out of it.


Posted by Khayat on Oct-02-2007 13:47:

Hahaha
This debate will never end I didt say that Logic makes you the best Producer in the world I was saying that its widely used any many pros use it rather than Cubase although I personally love Cubase more than anything else


Posted by Subtle on Oct-02-2007 14:04:

Ferry Corsten uses Cubase
Tiesto uses Cubase
Lange uses Cubase
MIKE uses Logic
Above & Beyond uses Logic
Airwave uses Ableton
Armin uses Logic, Ableton.
Astral Projection uses Cubase.
RickyM uses FL Studio

etc...

Each program has individually their own pros a and cons.

quote:
Originally posted by Khayat
Hahaha
This debate will never end I didt say that Logic makes you the best Producer in the world I was saying that its widely used any many pros use it rather than Cubase although I personally love Cubase more than anything else
Thats not true, in regards of Dance Music, if you are talking pop, rock.. commercial music.. then yes, probably.


Posted by Sanguis Mortuum on Oct-02-2007 16:43:

Id say its probably something like 1/3 using Cubase, 1/3 using Logic and 1/3 using 'others' (Sonar, Ableton, Reason, etc). This is a complete guess though so its probably way off the mark.

quote:
Originally posted by Khayat
Well hehehe I only ment that its the best DAW (Sequencer) out there


lol.


Posted by Subtle on Oct-02-2007 16:49:

quote:
Originally posted by Sanguis Mortuum
Id say its probably something like 1/3 using Cubase, 1/3 using Logic and 1/3 using 'others' (Sonar, Ableton, Reason, etc). This is a complete guess though so its probably way off the mark.
Seems logical.

Although, Logic has done something very clever, they have halfed the price of Logic and replaced USB dongle with a serial number. Making it much more affordable for all customers, I think many will move to Logic now.


Posted by djsphere on Oct-02-2007 16:54:

their brain?


Posted by kopi_luwak on Oct-02-2007 18:29:

quote:
Originally posted by Subtle
Seems logical.

Although, Logic has done something very clever, they have halfed the price of Logic and replaced USB dongle with a serial number. Making it much more affordable for all customers, I think many will move to Logic now.

Does windows version keeps being some versions behind from Mac? I would be glad to try out Logic if both O.S. would be equal concerning versions.

Kopi =o.


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