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Posted by LatinLover on Oct-03-2007 22:23:

Iran Could Strike U.S. by 2015, U.S. Officials Say

WASHINGTON � Iranian technology is on pace to build a long-range missile that could strike the United States within a decade, a high-level Pentagon official told FOX News.

But a successful test of a missile defense program completed last week is giving military leaders more confidence that an airborne attack from Iran can be thwarted � if the United States is able to convince Europe to go along with the plans to build an anti-missile system there against strong Russian opposition.

"Most of the intelligence experts predict that sometime before 2015, or in that time frame, the Iranians will have developed the capabilities to threaten the United States, from a missile technology perspective, "Lt. Gen. Henry Obering, chief of the U.S. missile defense program, said Tuesday in a Pentagon interview with FOX News. Of concern Obering said is Iran's ability to take shorter range technology and improving it to longer and longer ranges.

Meanwhile, Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said Wednesday the U.S. was in no position to start a war against Iran given its military commitment in Iraq.

Growing international political tension with Iran over its nuclear program and its role in orchestrating insurgent attacks in Iraq has given military officials here reason to step up their efforts in developing a workable missile defense system.

Right now, the administration is working on a plan to build a missile defense system to protect against Iranian weapons in friendly host countries in Europe. But those plans have been loudly criticized by Russia � which thinks the system could be used to attack their own missiles

Additionally, U.S. lawmakers have stripped $85 million from the program in their consideration of the Defense Authorization bill. Prior to its passage in the Senate Monday, lawmakers said there should be an approval from the host countries, including Poland and the Czech Republic, before that money slated for construction is authorized.

But last week's successful interceptor missile system test conducted by the U.S. Missile Defense Agency off the coast of California gave the program a needed shot of confidence. The system was designed to simulate an attack from North Korea or possibly Iran.

"It was a picture perfect intercept," Obering said. Since 2001, six out of nine test flights have been successful and three have failed. Obering said there has not been a failed intercept test in 2 1/2 years. Last year, a test did not come to completion when the test missile failed to launch properly.

The interceptor missile was fired from Alaska, flying for 24 minutes before being struck by the interceptor missile, which was fired from Vandenburg Air Base in California, and flew seven minutes. The two missiles collided over open ocean, smashing to pieces miles above.

The program has its roots in the 1980s Strategic Defense Initiative � dubbed the "Star Wars" program � started in the Reagan administration. Since 1983 it has cost $100 billion. Despite the money stripped out, the 2008 Defense Authorization bill included $8.6 billion for the program.

This missile defense system in California and Alaska is designed to protect against North Korean missiles fired from Asia. It is similar to the system that the US would like to place in Europe to protect against Iranian missiles.

The European system, Obering said, would be created specifically to intercept Iranian missiles. Obering strongly denied the Russian charge � that it could be used against them � saying the system would be too close to Russia launch points to be effective.

"The system we are fielding has nothing to do with Russia," Obering said today.

The acrimony between Americans and Russians over the antimissile system comes as Russia has been sending bomber flights over U.S. and European interests, including new reports of their bombers flying just outside U.S. airspace in Alaska seven times since July 1.

For its part, Iran isn't officially fazed by U.S. plans to defend against any missiles. In June, Iran's top nuclear negotiator called the plan "the joke of the year."


Posted by venomX on Oct-03-2007 23:37:

More hype to try to justify attacking Iran. The missile defense shield is the stupidest program the US has come up with. It has poured billions of dollars into it, and it is still far from functional. Even at that, who in their right minds would start a long range missile confrontation, specially with the states. Imagine that Iran built the technology for attacking the US from long distance. Why would they attack? The US obviously has more missiles. Even if Iran had the technology, how many missiles would they have to produce and use for a succesful attack on the US? Seriously, this is nothing more than spin. I am amazed that they would sink so low to try and convince the public that attacking Iran is the way to go. The Long range missile attack threat is nothing more than a useless remnant from the cold war.


Posted by Marc Summers on Oct-03-2007 23:55:

Washington can go to hell. I'm not falling for this bullshit, again.


Posted by atbell on Oct-04-2007 00:03:

From the start there are errors.

1. 2015 is now 8 years away. North Korea has been working on thier missile program for decades and still has trouble getting the things to fly over Japan. China is massive and contains many advanced research institutes. The Chinese have been working for 20 to 30 years to develop thier technology and they still have trouble hitting Florida.

Iran is further from the US then China and it's current technology might be able to fire a missle past Turkey. They don't even threaten France. Not to mention they don't have the use of geo-stationary satalites to guide thier missiles. It's unlikely that the Iranians are going to be able to attack the US with anything that isn't carried in or bought inside the country. The Iranians could probable do more damage to the US by stocking up at a gun show in Texas next week then they could investing billions of dollars and years of work in any missile program.

2. FOX news, well, if you can't see the problem with "FOX news" there's not going to be much calming you down.


Posted by jonSun on Oct-04-2007 00:05:


Posted by Magnetonium on Oct-04-2007 01:50:



Americans really really want an excuse to invade Iran. They are hoping that Iran will send A missile somewhere ;-) but that can also be arranged.


Posted by jonSun on Oct-04-2007 01:54:

quote:
Originally posted by Magnetonium
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The Bush Administration really really wants an excuse to invade Iran.


fixed.


Posted by Magnetonium on Oct-04-2007 01:55:

quote:
Originally posted by jonSun
fixed.


LOL, thanks, I am too dam tired ... OK, back to statistics homework ..


Posted by hardcore trancer on Oct-04-2007 02:39:

OMG OMG they have the smoking gun to finally attack Iran!!


Posted by Lebezniatnikov on Oct-04-2007 02:39:

quote:
Originally posted by jonSun
fixed.



Haha, thanks. I was going to reply "not THIS American!" but that takes care of it nicely.


Posted by Krypton on Oct-04-2007 02:50:

The neocon factions use Fox News again to spew out this propaganda.


Posted by CHRles on Oct-04-2007 04:50:

I'm gonna have to pretty much agree with a lot of what everyone's said here.

Iran could prolly strike at the US right now via different cells, but thats with suicide bombings. Then again, a lot of countries could do that too. Sending a suicide bomber to a crowded mall is sadly almost too easy to do in this country.

A nuclear strike by Iran on the US? I really don't think Iran is interested in that. What would be gained from it?

The only ones who would be interested in a nuclear attack on the US are the same mother******s interested in doing that to every other country. Terrorist groups from poverty-striken parts of Africa, Asia, Latin America, or even US based groups.
A terrorist group that is just after money would have less of a problem threatening a lot of countries, including Iran, with a nuclear weapon.
You look at what Lebezniatnikov posted about countries like Zimbawe or the situation in Darfur. Imagine these leaders somehow getting their hands on nuclear weapons. They could use it on their own people. Or tragically b/c half the people in those countries are dying or are refugees you could end up with terrorist groups that will feel the only way to get rid of these dictators is by dumping a nuclear bomb on the city where these dictators are based out of...and in the process wiping out whole cities in the process.

Say what you want about the US government, and about the CIA, and about the paranoia sometimes associated with our government, but this is a REAL threat that I'm glad our government is monitoring.


Posted by hardcore trancer on Oct-04-2007 05:13:

quote:
Originally posted by CHRles
but this is a REAL threat that I'm glad our government is monitoring.


How so? This is all false speculations. Why get all scared over something thats will never happen?


Posted by shaolin_Z on Oct-04-2007 06:29:

LOL, keep buying in to all the bullshit fellas.


Posted by MisterOpus1 on Oct-04-2007 13:07:

quote:
Originally posted by Magnetonium


LOL, thanks, I am too dam tired ... OK, back to statistics homework ..


***mghhgmmgmghghhthrmnmnhh****

Sorry, that made me just throw up in my mouth a little.

Bad memories. Bad, bad, bad memories.......


Posted by echosystm on Oct-04-2007 13:51:

This is a matter of definition.

quote:
A missile (see also pronunciation differences) is a self-propelled, explosive projectile used as a weapon towards a target.


By missile, they clearly meant aeroplanes or homing pidgeons with bombs on them.

God you guys are noobs.


Posted by LatinLover on Oct-04-2007 16:58:

Here we go again with the criticism!

Lets analyze this for a minute... Iran knows that most of the world is against their stance on their nuclear program. They have been hearing all these speculations of the US attacking nuclear facilities to halt their program. Do you think Iran is going to take the risk and not be fully prepare? Iran has said clearly if the US attacks them they will strike back to US interest in the region and a possible attack on Israel... wouldnt it make sense for that to occur that the Iranians would have to improve their missile program? If you think that Iran is not working towards those improvement for their military I must say you are not even worth listening to


Posted by venomX on Oct-04-2007 18:40:

quote:
Originally posted by LatinLover
Here we go again with the criticism!

Lets analyze this for a minute... Iran knows that most of the world is against their stance on their nuclear program. They have been hearing all these speculations of the US attacking nuclear facilities to halt their program. Do you think Iran is going to take the risk and not be fully prepare? Iran has said clearly if the US attacks them they will strike back to US interest in the region and a possible attack on Israel... wouldnt it make sense for that to occur that the Iranians would have to improve their missile program? If you think that Iran is not working towards those improvement for their military I must say you are not even worth listening to


So basically you are saying that if the US attacks Iran, Iran will in turn fight back by attacking US interests in the region. Now the question is, this is wrong why? It seems fairly logical that if you attack someone they will defend themselves. That Iran is improving their military is fairly obvious. If that is all you have to argument for, then this is nothing new. To say however that Iran will have the capability in less than ten years to have a working ICBM is a bit of a stretch though.

Also, in case you missed it, this is a debate forum. Criticism is the norm, if you don't like it, don't come here.


Posted by Lebezniatnikov on Oct-04-2007 19:01:

quote:
Originally posted by venomX
So basically you are saying that if the US attacks Iran, Iran will in turn fight back by attacking US interests in the region. Now the question is, this is wrong why? It seems fairly logical that if you attack someone they will defend themselves. That Iran is improving their military is fairly obvious. If that is all you have to argument for, then this is nothing new. To say however that Iran will have the capability in less than ten years to have a working ICBM is a bit of a stretch though.

Also, in case you missed it, this is a debate forum. Criticism is the norm, if you don't like it, don't come here.



But don't you see? If we attack them, they're going to attack us! So we should attack them before they get a chance to attack us back!


Posted by CHRles on Oct-04-2007 19:25:

I have a problem with the fact that Iran keeps talking about how it's going to hurt Israel if the US attacks Iran's nuclear facilities.
Not America itself, but rather another country...a country which the Iranian administration has already said it believes should be wiped off the map.
During the first Gulf War when the US attacked Sadam, he retaliated by sending Skad missiles over Israel. So if Iran threatens to do worse to Israel, these statements should be taken seriously.
So let's compare - the US is threatening to attack Iran's nuclear facilities while Iran threatens to attack indiscriminantly another country. Not Lebanon, not Saudi Arabia, just Israel. Hmmmm....


Posted by LatinLover on Oct-04-2007 22:08:

quote:
Originally posted by venomX
So basically you are saying that if the US attacks Iran, Iran will in turn fight back by attacking US interests in the region. Now the question is, this is wrong why? It seems fairly logical that if you attack someone they will defend themselves. That Iran is improving their military is fairly obvious. If that is all you have to argument for, then this is nothing new. To say however that Iran will have the capability in less than ten years to have a working ICBM is a bit of a stretch though.

Also, in case you missed it, this is a debate forum. Criticism is the norm, if you don't like it, don't come here.


The issue here is not if Iran will retaliate... the issue here is that they are developing a missile program that can threatened the safety and peace of other nations in the region and our allies. clearly iran cannot be trusted with this type of armory. we know their position, they hate us, if they had the chance to wipe us out the map they wouldnt hesitate to do it. i mean man all you have to do is look up speeches that the president of iran makes, not the speeches here in the US, but on his native country.


Posted by Magnetonium on Oct-04-2007 22:16:

quote:
Originally posted by MisterOpus1
***mghhgmmgmghghhthrmnmnhh****

Sorry, that made me just throw up in my mouth a little.

Bad memories. Bad, bad, bad memories.......


I hate statistics ... they're so boring and manipulative.

I discovered a Mark Twain quote after reading some of his material in my spare time:

There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
- Autobiography of Mark Twain


Posted by venomX on Oct-05-2007 01:53:

quote:
Originally posted by LatinLover
The issue here is not if Iran will retaliate... the issue here is that they are developing a missile program that can threatened the safety and peace of other nations in the region and our allies. clearly iran cannot be trusted with this type of armory. we know their position, they hate us, if they had the chance to wipe us out the map they wouldnt hesitate to do it. i mean man all you have to do is look up speeches that the president of iran makes, not the speeches here in the US, but on his native country.



Well they have not done, as of yet, anything the US has not done in the past or still does right now. Even though I agree that weapons development around the whole world, including the US, should be curtailed because it is useless, you can not expect someone to put down their weapons when you refuse to lower your own. Should we worry about what Iran might do with ICBM's. Sure, it's a valid preoccupation. But as someone else already pointed out, this report it pretty innaccurate. With Iran's current technology they are surely not 8 years away from having a fully functional ICBM. And they probably already have missiles that can hit Israel anyways. So this article is serving no other purpose than trying to convince the people of the US that Iran should be attacked. This is propaganda, at best.


Posted by hardcore trancer on Oct-05-2007 01:59:

quote:
Originally posted by LatinLover
the issue here is that they are developing a missile program that can threatened the safety and peace of other nations in the region and our allies.



You think they are going to bomb Turkey?
The only that will get fuck up the ass is Israel and I doubt the arabs would care that much if that actually happens.


quote:
clearly iran cannot be trusted with this type of armory. we know their position, they hate us, if they had the chance to wipe us out the map they wouldnt hesitate to do it.


hmm they are the ones that are trying so hard to negotiate with the Americans and they are keep saying that they dont want any war,yet American is keep pushing towards the war.


quote:
i mean man all you have to do is look up speeches that the president of iran makes, not the speeches here in the US, but on his native country.



The Neocons say alot of scary shit about Iran in the U.S as well.Doesnt that scare you at all?


Posted by Krypton on Oct-05-2007 02:04:

quote:
Originally posted by hardcore trancer

The Neocons say alot of scary shit about Iran in the U.S as well.Doesnt that scare you at all?


Scares the bejesus out of me! A draft is all but inevitable if the neocon agenda is furthered. I will never fight in a unjustified war.


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