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Iraq Shia leaders sign truce deal

Two of Iraq's most influential Shia leaders have signed a deal to try to end violence between their groups.

Radical cleric Moqtada Sadr and Abdul Aziz al-Hakim, head of the Supreme Islamic Council of Iraq, have been locked in a bitter dispute for months.

The leaders have agreed to try to end further bloodshed, foster a spirit of good will and form joint committees throughout the country.

A number of recent attacks in southern Iraq have been blamed on Shia rivalry.

'Iraqi unity'

In a statement, the two leaders said their aim was to maintain both the Islamic and the national interest.

"The agreement is essentially a commitment of honour," a spokesman for Sadr's group Liwa Sumaysim told Agence France-Presse news agency.

"The most important aspect is that it forbids both sides to engage in bloodletting against each other and against Iraqis in general."

A spokesman for Mr Hakim's group, Hamid al-Saadi, said: "Iraq needs deals between factions to enhance and preserve Iraqi unity."

The two leaders also say their groups will co-ordinate their media and cultural efforts.

The BBC's Jon Brain in Baghdad says, if successfully implemented, the agreement will resolve one of the many disputes that make it so difficult for Iraq to achieve reconciliation.

Mr Hakim's Supreme Islamic Council of Iraq, formerly the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, is one of the main parties in the ruling coalition.

Moqtada Sadr came to prominence after the US-led invasion in 2003 and leads a movement that is backed by his own armed militia, the Mehdi Army.

The cleric ordered the suspension of the militia's activities in August.

However, he has since boycotted the government and withdrawn his six ministers.

Our correspondent says that despite the new mood of rapprochement, Moqtada Sadr has given no indication that his group plans to return to the ruling alliance.

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Well there goes the Administration's reason for war on Iran.

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Latin,

please reread the 7 Simple Rules posted by the mod Lira for this forum. Specifically:

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6. If you're posting a thread about an article, post both the article and the source! This is just a pointer, rather than a warning. Also, try to always cite your sources - that's better for you and the rest. 7. Contribute: We'd love to hear what you've got to say http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...7&forumid=66&s=

Your daily 3 copy/paste jobs here are becoming quite tedious. Perhaps you could add a bit more than this?

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Well there goes the Administration's reason for war on Iran.

Instead of praising the truce you come out with your far left criticism I just dont get it, when good news come out of Iraq the far left comes and hammers it. This is insane!

I applaud the truce of these two groups. These have been major players from the resistance side, and are working out their differences and reaching common ground on them.

Latin: I don't mind the posts but Opus is right, at least give some comments or something to debate...

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Latin, please reread the 7 Simple Rules posted by the mod Lira for this forum. Specifically: Your daily 3 copy/paste jobs here are becoming quite tedious. Perhaps you could add a bit more than this?

I apologize I would add the source, but its not the NY Times because they dont provide positive stories of American progress in Iraq

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Originally posted by LatinLover I apologize I would add the source, but its not the NY Times because they dont provide positive stories of American progress in Iraq

It would behoove you to post your sources and add commentary as stated by the mods. I'll post it again for you just in case:

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6. If you're posting a thread about an article, post both the article and the source! This is just a pointer, rather than a warning. Also, try to always cite your sources - that's better for you and the rest. 7. Contribute: We'd love to hear what you've got to say http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...7&forumid=66&s=

Is it really that difficult for you to understand?

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 It would behoove you to post your sources and add commentary as stated by the mods. I'll post it again for you just in case: Is it really that difficult for you to understand?

It seems you dont know how to navigate a thread so ill repost it just for you:

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Originally posted by LatinLover Instead of praising the truce you come out with your far left criticism I just dont get it, when good news come out of Iraq the far left comes and hammers it. This is insane! I applaud the truce of these two groups. These have been major players from the resistance side, and are working out their differences and reaching common ground on them.

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Originally posted by LatinLover It seems you dont know how to navigate a thread so ill repost it just for you:

My eyes are almost blind with your concession! My apologies for not seeing you partially abide by the rules.

It would be helpful, however, to see you post such commentary in the first post you make with the copy/pasted story. That way we can all see your enlightened voice about the story you post immediately.

And we're still waiting for the link to the story, by the way.

Now, on to your thoughts:

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Instead of praising the truce you come out with your far left criticism I just dont get it, when good news come out of Iraq the far left comes and hammers it. This is insane!

It's a rightful observation of Lebezniatnikov as this Administration (and yourself) are clearly gearing up for a fight with the Iraqi government's ally, Iran. How does one fight Iran if the excuse of Iran meddling in Iraq becomes peaceful and eventually no longer becomes valid?

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I applaud the truce of these two groups. These have been major players from the resistance side, and are working out their differences and reaching common ground on them.

It's always nice to have hope, however one thing that's been shown time and again in Iraq is that the hope is always short-lived. You cannot be mad at anyone for not wanting to hold our breaths for situations like this, ESPECIALLY when we're talking about Moqtada Sadr. If you expect us to jump for joy when Moqtada Sadr decides to temporarily quell his violent acts, you're asking us to have a very short-term memory on this radical cleric. The guy turns on a dime when someone farts a mile away.

But you want us to be happy on such agreements? Cautious optimism was gone long ago. Only the nutbag chickenhawk war supporters such as yourself who make up a small fraction of this great country continue to live in senility believe things will be all rosy there some day. If I had a dime for every warmongering freeper like you who came through here and on other boards with happy-go-lucky stories about how fucking lovely things are in Iraq over the past 4 1/2 years, and it's all been done in the face of sheer ignorance, often times deliberately so in order to shield the world at how much a mess has been created by us for invading that country.

By plain rational skepticism do I hold my views about such happy news like this thread, and rightfully so. You nutbag neocons have cried "wolf" in reverse with this happy news bullshit so many times it makes the collective heads of the rest of the world spin right off. Only when there is CONSISTENCY of news being happy and full of joyous rapture will the collective world start to believe your stories of glee. Until that point, from a historical perspective alone we have every right to be downright skeptical of little "happy" stories coming from the likes of warmongers like you.

Well there you have it folks "Mission Accomplished"


Bush must be pissed now,I mean now they have to look for some other bullshit excuse to attack Iran.Global Warming perhaps?

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Originally posted by LatinLover Instead of praising the truce you come out with your far left criticism I just dont get it, when good news come out of Iraq the far left comes and hammers it. This is insane! I applaud the truce of these two groups. These have been major players from the resistance side, and are working out their differences and reaching common ground on them.

Oh my God, this makes my head hurt. Do you honestly go around picking fights with people when you've never won one before?

1. If you knew me at all, you would realize how absurd it is that you keep labeling me "far left". Considering that I spent time working for a Republican congressman...

2. Criticism? I fail to see how I'm "criticizing" anything but the logic behind using Shia-motivated violence in Iraq as a stepping stone to war with Iran. It's great news that the Shia militias are putting down arms. That's absolutely fantastic news, and will go a long way toward providing some basic level of security in that country. And I think, what you've missed out of all of this, that the real story here is that the Iranian-funded militias have stopped fighting. If we pat them on the back, should we also be applauding their political and financial backers?

3. And as for your implied position that this is happening because of something the US did... well, I failed to see that part in the story.

4. You're too good to post the source of an article? I'm beginning to wonder whether anyone should take you seriously.

5. Now to actually explain to you in concrete terms what my post actually meant, since it went over your head. The Administration made a concerted effort to advocate war with Iran on the basis that they are developing nuclear weapons. The public has not bought this as a casus belli. In fact, public approval for the war in Iran, as Opus has continually noted, is very low. So as of late, the Administration has adapted and changed tactics. Instead, they have painted the Iranian government as a sponsor of terrorist activity in Iraq, citing predominantly al-Sadr's forces attacking US interests in that country. However, one would think, after this development, where al-Sadr is pledging an end to violence, that this casus belli will collapse as well. Which was what my observation stated. Hopefully you are able to understand that now. I apologize for the earlier evident lack of clarity.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 My eyes are almost blind with your concession! My apologies for not seeing you partially abide by the rules. It would be helpful, however, to see you post such commentary in the first post you make with the copy/pasted story. That way we can all see your enlightened voice about the story you post immediately. And we're still waiting for the link to the story, by the way. Now, on to your thoughts: It's a rightful observation of Lebezniatnikov as this Administration (and yourself) are clearly gearing up for a fight with the Iraqi government's ally, Iran. How does one fight Iran if the excuse of Iran meddling in Iraq becomes peaceful and eventually no longer becomes valid? It's always nice to have hope, however one thing that's been shown time and again in Iraq is that the hope is always short-lived. You cannot be mad at anyone for not wanting to hold our breaths for situations like this, ESPECIALLY when we're talking about Moqtada Sadr. If you expect us to jump for joy when Moqtada Sadr decides to temporarily quell his violent acts, you're asking us to have a very short-term memory on this radical cleric. The guy turns on a dime when someone farts a mile away. But you want us to be happy on such agreements? Cautious optimism was gone long ago. Only the nutbag chickenhawk war supporters such as yourself who make up a small fraction of this great country continue to live in senility believe things will be all rosy there some day. If I had a dime for every warmongering freeper like you who came through here and on other boards with happy-go-lucky stories about how fucking lovely things are in Iraq over the past 4 1/2 years, and it's all been done in the face of sheer ignorance, often times deliberately so in order to shield the world at how much a mess has been created by us for invading that country. By plain rational skepticism do I hold my views about such happy news like this thread, and rightfully so. You nutbag neocons have cried "wolf" in reverse with this happy news bullshit so many times it makes the collective heads of the rest of the world spin right off. Only when there is CONSISTENCY of news being happy and full of joyous rapture will the collective world start to believe your stories of glee. Until that point, from a historical perspective alone we have every right to be downright skeptical of little "happy" stories coming from the likes of warmongers like you.

Dude you really should ask someone to assist you in teaching you how to navigate a thread. The source is there the first time you request I had input it to the article I posted. So stop being lazy and actually take your time to look at all the information before you post anything, it will really help

Please stop the name calling of nutback chickenhawk there is no need for that type of foul language for you to make a point

I mean and I keep saying this, there is no good news for the far left... we can win tomorrow and you guys will still be bitching and crying. Is that all the far left knows how to do? Cry, bitch, wine and put down great news coming from the battlefield. Sometimes I even question the intentions from the far left if they want America to succeed. As I have said, the far left is an ally of these thugs. This is incredible, nothing is good news to you people

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Originally posted by LatinLover I mean and I keep saying this, there is no good news for the far left... we can win tomorrow and you guys will still be bitching and crying. Is that all the far left knows how to do? Cry, bitch, wine and put down great news coming from the battlefield. Sometimes I even question the intentions from the far left if they want America to succeed. As I have said, the far left is an ally of these thugs. This is incredible, nothing is good news to you people

These people seem to disagree..
















and finally, our costs...



Latinlover, if you believe in this war so much, then you should enlist and go over there and fight. Otherwise, you're just talking out of your ass...

War is hell on earth for those in it and this war in Iraq is by far one of the worst ever undertakings in United States history. Put the blame where it lies and that's with the people who took us over there unilaterally to wage war against a poor, 3rd world, practically defenseless nation, and throwing what semblance of balance these people had into utter chaos. Bravo neocons, bravo. You fake conservatives..

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