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anyone ever submitted a formal letter of complaint to a dean of a university?

i have really terrible teachers this semester.

one guy is 80 and senile and does nothing but draw coaxial cables on the board. one guy explains circuit analysis on a powerpoint presentation. and one guy doesnt even understand the information hes trying to teach.

im not learning anything at all this semester!!! so im thinking about writing a formal letter of complaint, getting a ton of students to sign it (i know i can get the signatures) and submitting it to the dean. im just pissed im spending so much money and not even getting anything out of it.

its no wonder my university is on probation to lose their accreditation and motorola just fired every student they hired from my school.

its a fucking joke. and the way the program is setup and the way the teachers are its not a surprise at all.

anyone have any experience with formal complaints like this? what i mean is, will they be forced to do anything about this if i get like hundreds of signatures, or can they just throw it under the rug? im just wondering if its worth my time.

transfer, get your good recs, then do it. the place won't change while you're there, so all you'll do is piss people off, even if it's good in the long run.

all my professors are AWESOME! that sucks man

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Originally posted by inconspicuous transfer, get your good recs, then do it. the place won't change while you're there, so all you'll do is piss people off, even if it's good in the long run.

cant transfer. not enough money to cover living expenses and such. wish i could though.

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Originally posted by Marc Summers all my professors are AWESOME! that sucks man

i envy you. the only good professor ive had at this school (for two classes) is an independent hire, meaning not officially a professor and probably wont be around much longer. i learned a lot from that guy! every other teacher doesnt seem to give a fuck.

Make sure you sign the letter "Pat McGroin".

thing is, i know that i probably will have really bad professors for the rest of my studies. which is why im upset. maybe 2 decent professors in the 13 classes i have left.

i just dont want to graduate with a degree, then get hired and be clueless on what im doing, then get fired. that would suck. granted i learn a lot on my own, but i just feel like this university doesnt give a fuck about me or any of their students and couldnt care less what happens to us after we finished giving them our money.

it really feels like a scam. even though obviously its not, the university just sucks.

what school?

Be like 80% of the other students and get loans. It isnt that bad.

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Originally posted by mezzir what school?

fiu = fucking incompetent university errrrr i mean florida international university

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Originally posted by _Nut_ Be like 80% of the other students and get loans. It isnt that bad.

i already did that at my last school and it took me 8 months to pay back $3500. im done with loans.

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Originally posted by PatMcGroin i already did that at my last school and it took me 8 months to pay back $3500. im done with loans.

guess the school's not that bad, then.

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Originally posted by inconspicuous guess the school's not that bad, then.

used to go to florida state university... not a bad school at all. could be a little better, but i NEVER encountered nearly as many problems or bad professors there as i have here. i spent 3.5 years there, and had the time of my life (a little too much, thats why i didnt finish there). this is only my 3rd semester at fiu, and its been hell since i started.

just saying...if it was that bad, you'd be doing everything you possibly could to get out.

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Originally posted by PatMcGroin fiu = fucking incompetent university errrrr i mean florida international university i already did that at my last school and it took me 8 months to pay back $3500. im done with loans.

3500? Thats it? Try having 50k+

Student loans start out at a low rate (ie a hundred or so a month) when you first get out of school. The longer the time passes, the more the monthly payments are. That should coincide with more money as you work your way up.

You obviously havent looked at the right loans.

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Originally posted by _Nut_ 3500? Thats it? Try having 50k+ Student loans start out at a low rate (ie a hundred or so a month) when you first get out of school. The longer the time passes, the more the monthly payments are. That should coincide with more money as you work your way up. You obviously havent looked at the right loans.

yea i have. its just i dont feel like being in debt when i finish school. whats the point of working a fucking stressful ass job when all im doing is paying back my loans?

if i would of only made the lowest monthly payments on my loans it would have taken me 8 years to pay them back! and the total cost would of been 9k. now, why would i do that? i could either pay back ~3700 in 8 months or 9000 in 8 years? why am i going to give the loan company so much more of my hard earned money?

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Originally posted by PatMcGroin yea i have. its just i dont feel like being in debt when i finish school. whats the point of working a fucking stressful ass job when all im doing is paying back my loans? if i would of only made the lowest monthly payments on my loans it would have taken me 8 years to pay them back! and the total cost would of been 9k. now, why would i do that? i could either pay back ~3700 in 8 months or 9000 in 8 years? why am i going to give the loan company so much more of my hard earned money?

You said you're afraid you wouldn't be prepared for a job when you got out of FIU.

Do you think you'd be able to make another $1200 per year in salary with a degree from another university, with the proper preparation?

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Originally posted by inconspicuous Do you think you'd be able to make another $1200 per year in salary with a degree from another university?

it isnt the money im worried about, as long as i have enough to provide for my wife and kids (future, not present) i dont care. i dont need 100k a year. gimme 40-50k and ill be more than happy.

what i would get from another university is the knowledge im not being taught at this shitfuck of a school. unfortunately its not an option to move unless something drastic happens like winning 100k in the lottery. which of course im not counting on.

at this university im just worried that im going to graduate and a company is going to say no to me just cuz of the name of the school on my degree. or im going to get hired and then fired because my school didnt care enough about me to teach me things i would need to know.






i know writing the letter of complaint really isnt going to change much. but i just want to do it to show the department that there are students there that arent going to sit down and take shit from them. even if in the end we still are because thats who we're giving our money too. i just wanna do SOMETHING rather than just take it up the ass you know?

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Originally posted by PatMcGroin it isnt the money im worried about, as long as i have enough to provide for my wife and kids (future, not present) i dont care. i dont need 100k a year. gimme 40-50k and ill be more than happy. what i would get from another university is the knowledge im not being taught at this shitfuck of a school. unfortunately its not an option to move unless something drastic happens like winning 100k in the lottery. which of course im not counting on. at this university im just worried that im going to graduate and a company is going to say no to me just cuz of the name of the school on my degree. or im going to get hired and then fired because my school didnt care enough about me to teach me things i would need to know.

if you're not worried about the money, why are you refusing to take student loans, when you're sure it'll leave you more prepared for the rest of your life?

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Originally posted by inconspicuous if you're not worried about the money, why are you refusing to take student loans, when you're sure it'll leave you more prepared for the rest of your life?

theres other things involved in me not being able to move. money plays a part but isnt the main reason i cant move. i just dont really want to say why.

lets just focus on my idea. does anyone think a formal letter of complaint will do anything?

well, there's no way for me to know that. You just said 'I can't afford it,' which you can.

writing them a letter while you're still there is like arguing with an umpire in baseball. it might make you feel better, but you're screwing yourself for the rest of the game, even if he's wrong.

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Originally posted by inconspicuous well, there's no way for me to know that. You just said 'I can't afford it,' which you can. writing them a letter while you're still there is like arguing with an umpire in baseball. it might make you feel better, but you're screwing yourself for the rest of the game, even if he's wrong.

money was a cover. no reason for me to blurt out all my personal life shit on the internet like some do.

you're probably right though. but im just not the type of person to sit back and not saying anything. even if it does fuck me a little. im very emotional and always voice my opinion. which is why i was wondering what the best way of going about this is. obviously im not going to storm into the deans office waving my middle finger saying fuck this school. i wanted to do it in a respectful way and the proper way. i just want a voice for the many dissatisfied students at this universities engineering program. i mean if no one ever complains, how are they even supposed to know they suck at life (if the probation and firing of their students isnt enough of a clue).

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Originally posted by PatMcGroin i mean if no one ever complains, how are they even supposed to know they suck at life (if the probation and firing of their students isnt enough of a clue).

easy--money.

like I said, nothing's going to change enough by the time you graduate to impact your life, so there's no point in jeopardizing your own future. Once you graduate & get your references, you don't have to rely on them anymore. Until then, you don't have much of a choice.

If none of their alums make contributions (whether by choice or inability), they'll get the message loud & clear. That's also the time to start writing letters. Universities don't pay nearly as much attention to students with no leverage & questionable maturity as they do to alums debating whether or not to pull out their considerably more flexible wallets & who have established themselves as influential adults.

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Originally posted by inconspicuous easy--money. like I said, nothing's going to change enough by the time you graduate to impact your life, so there's no point in jeopardizing your own future. Once you graduate & get your references, you don't have to rely on them anymore. Until then, you don't have much of a choice. If none of their alums make contributions (whether by choice or inability), they'll get the message loud & clear. That's also the time to start writing letters. Universities don't pay nearly as much attention to students with no leverage & questionable maturity as they do to alums debating whether or not to pull out their considerably more flexible wallets & who have established themselves as influential adults.

very true. but there are some things they could change. even if they wont. they COULD.

fuck. i just feel so helpless. and it sucks. its my fucking life here and its like i have no control over certain aspects of it.

maybe ill get someone else to spearhead the assault on fiu. ill be the secret man behind the plan.

nope. never have.

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Originally posted by tubularbills nope. never have.

that actually made me chuckle. maybe its the beer.

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Originally posted by PatMcGroin that actually made me chuckle. maybe its the beer.

probably

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