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World's oldest tree in B.C. falls

Truly a sad day. This was more than just a tree, but an inspiration ... ironically, it fell and it illustrates the same situation thats happening to millions of trees around the world ... except those are chopped down. Imagine how much carbon dioxide will be released into the atmosphere from this gigantic tree ... global warming my ass!

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-co...ar.html?ref=rss

A red cedar tree believed to be almost 1,000 years old and reputedly the largest of its kind in the world uprooted and toppled from natural causes in Vancouver's Stanley Park.

On Thursday, a part of the tree's root was exposed and clearly saturated with water and rotten. The top of the tree lies so deep in the forest it can't be seen.

Eric Meagher, a Stanley Park maintenance supervisor, said a combination of heavy rain and strong winds on Sunday likely knocked the towering giant over.

"Sure it's sad when you lose it, but that's the cycle of life," Meagher told CBC News Thursday.

"The first photographs we have of it in our archives are 1890 so people were taking photographs of it way back then, and that tree at that time was already hundreds and hundreds of years old," he said.

Before it fell, the mighty tree near Third Beach was 13 metres around at the base and 40 metres tall. It became famous after it was featured in a 1978 National Geographic article, with scores of tourists coming to see it each day.

"It's hard to get your head around the immensity and the enormity of it," said Campbell Miller, who was visiting the area from Ottawa.

Sheri Stewart and her boys, who are visiting from Atlanta, came to the park to look for the giant tree.

"It's sort of a piece of history. A thousand years is a long time," she said.

"I used to live in California and it makes me think of the California redwoods, you know. And the coincidence of having it happen this week when we were here to see it is so odd," Stewart said.

If anyone can find me some decent pictures of the tree or other similar giants and post on here, I'll be very grateful!

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Truly a sad day. This was more than just a tree, but an inspiration ... ironically, it fell and it illustrates the same situation thats happening to millions of trees around the world ... except those are chopped down. Imagine how much carbon dioxide will be released into the atmosphere from this gigantic tree ... global warming my ass!

Trees aren't eternal, you know?

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Originally posted by Lira Trees aren't eternal, you know?

We think of them as singular organisms, but sometimes they are actually one supermassive collective organism.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby We think of them as singular organisms, but sometimes they are actually one supermassive collective organism.

I'm just surprised by his post because it seems he's never realised trees have always grown, reproduced and died. This is not new or anything...

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Originally posted by Lira I'm just surprised by his post because it seems he's never realised trees have always grown, reproduced and died. This is not new or anything...

lol, yeah

Just wondering if anyone heard it fall. If so, did it make a sound?

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Originally posted by Lira I'm just surprised by his post because it seems he's never realised trees have always grown, reproduced and died. This is not new or anything...

Oh, and dont forget that when people cut down millions of trees every year, they miraculously grow back immediately!!!! And its not true that only half of African rainforest remains, and the Amazon rainforest destruction is a myth, too.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Oh, and dont forget that when people cut down millions of trees every year, they miraculously grow back immediately!!!! And its not true that only half of African rainforest remains, and the Amazon rainforest destruction is a myth, too.

I think that if the DEA stopped killing innocent marijuana plants, there would be more oxygen and less global warming.

Let's start a petition!

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby I think that if the DEA stopped killing innocent marijuana plants, there would be more oxygen and less global warming. Let's start a petition!

Ummm, no offense, but are you an idiot?

You are comparing a PLANT to a TREE? Are you insane? Do you even know the huge difference between how much carbon a tree can intake and stabilize in its roots, trunk, branches??? Plus you little drug plant will not only intake much smaller amounts, but it will release its CO2 back into the air once the leaves drop off or are chopped off. The tree stores carbon. And in much bigger amounts.

You guys make me sick with all the environmental ignorance. Hint: Al Gore is not environment, so no need to think that global warming means everything environment-related.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Ummm, no offense, but are you an idiot? You are comparing a PLANT to a TREE? Are you insane? Do you even know the huge difference between how much carbon a tree can intake and stabilize in its roots, trunk, branches??? Plus you little drug plant will not only intake much smaller amounts, but it will release its CO2 back into the air once the leaves drop off or are chopped off. The tree stores carbon. And in much bigger amounts. You guys make me sick with all the environmental ignorance. Hint: Al Gore is not environment, so no need to think that global warming means everything environment-related.

lol, okay, I guess your culture never primed you for the recognition of facetiousness.

: pats :

Here's an article from a reputable source on rapid deforestation of Amazon rainforest. For some TAs who are still noobs out there. Articles like the one below were written as far back as 1980s, but only now the strong evidence is at hand. And noone cares.

http://www.cifor.cgiar.org/Publicat...eef_exports.htm


Beef exports fuel loss of Amazonian Forest

A CIFOR report issued in April this year says much of the recent increase in the loss of Brazil's Amazonian forests is due to the high international demand for Brazilian beef

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The report "Hamburger connection Fuels Amazon Destruction," was released to coincide with the Government of Brazil's annual announcement of the rate of deforestation in the Amazonian jungle. As the title suggests, the report made no bones about the role of cattle farming in causing deforestation in the Amazon. It predicted that in the 12 months to the middle of 2003 the loss of Amazonian forest in Brazil would be similar to the 2.5 million hectares lost during the previous reporting period. As it turned out, the Brazilian government's Space Research Institute (INPE) announced the official deforestation rate for 2003 was 2,375,000 hectares, only slightly less than CIFOR's estimate. Conducted over several years by CIFOR's Sven Wunder, Benoit Mertens, Pablo Pacheco and David Kaimowitz, the report strongly argues that the recent and rapid increase in the worldwide demand for Brazilian beef has been the major factor in the cutting down of the Amazon forest to clear land for cattle grazing. "This research provides the first substantial data to support recent speculation about the role international demand for Brazilian beef is playing in Brazil's skyrocketing deforestation rate. There are several reasons for this increase in demand, ranging from the devaluation of the Brazilian currency, concerns about importing beef from countries afflicted by mad cow disease and, possibly, fears of avian flu, which may have led the public to choose beef over chicken," said Kaimowitz. "This may be good for Brazil's beef industry, but it is making mincemeat of the Amazon rainforests." Between 1990 and 2001 the percentage of Europe's processed meat imports that came from Brazil rose from 40 to 74 percent. Markets in Russia and the Middle East are also responsible for much of this new demand for Brazilian beef. As recently as 1995, Brazil exported less than US$500 million dollars of beef. By 2003, only eight years later, Brazil was exporting three times as much, US$1.5 billion dollars, according to data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture. Between 1997 and 2003, the volume of exports increased more than fivefold, from 232,000 to nearly 1.2 million metric tons in Carcass Weight Equivalent. Meanwhile, domestic beef consumption, which for decades has been responsible for the sector's expansion, developed slowly. For the first time ever, the growth in Brazilian cattle production - 80 percent of which was in the Amazon - is largely export driven. The total area of forest lost in the Amazon rose from 41.5 million hectares in 1990 to 58.7 million hectares in 2000. In just ten years, the region lost an area of forest twice the size of Portugal, most of it becoming pasture. "Although the last few years have witnessed a great deal of justifiable concern about the expansion of soybean cultivation into the Amazon, that still explains only a small percentage of total deforestation," according to Pacheco. He also notes that logging contributes indirectly to deforestation, but is "much less important than the growth of cattle ranching." On March 15, Brazil's President Luis In�cio (Lula) da Silva announced a major new "Action Plan to Prevent and Control Deforestation in the Legal Amazon." The US$135 million plan focuses on activities to reduce deforestation, including better land use planning, greater enforcement of laws regarding deforestation and the illegal occupation of government lands, improved monitoring of deforestation, more detailed reviews of public infrastructure investments, greater support for indigenous territories and community forestry, increased support for sustainable agriculture, and greater control over credit for ranchers. "The government's approach goes in the right direction, but unless urgent action is taken, the Brazilian Amazon could lose an additional area the size of Denmark over the next 18 months," said Benoit Mertens, one of the authors of the report working with CIFOR and the Forest Department at CIRAD (the French Agricultural Research Center for International Development). "The market forces promoting the Amazon's cattle-driven deforestation are enormous and while the newly announced strategy is to be commended, CIFOR feels there are ways to enhance the effectiveness of these measures."

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Oh, and dont forget that when people cut down millions of trees every year, they miraculously grow back immediately!!!! And its not true that only half of African rainforest remains, and the Amazon rainforest destruction is a myth, too.

"A red cedar tree believed to be almost 1,000 years old and reputedly the largest of its kind in the world uprooted and toppled from natural causes in Vancouver's Stanley Park" i.e. it died, naturally. What has it got to do with the deforestation of the Amazon region?

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Originally posted by Lira "A red cedar tree believed to be almost 1,000 years old and reputedly the largest of its kind in the world uprooted and toppled from natural causes in Vancouver's Stanley Park" i.e. it died, naturally. What has it got to do with the deforestation of the Amazon region?

You quoted my entire post, so I assumed you were mocking me. I was just saying how ironic is that several of these magnificent tress have been lost to weather recently ... as many more are getting cut. Just a thought. You'd have to be more direct than the vague answer like:

"Trees aren't eternal, you know?"

Quotes like:
"I'm just surprised by his post because it seems he's never realised trees have always grown, reproduced and died. This is not new or anything..."

Just disregarded my hint to the huge issue of forest destruction around the world. I guess noone understands it or takes the issue seriously.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium You quoted my entire post, so I assumed you were mocking me.

Actually, I just quoted the first paragraph, because I really didn't understand the link between this one tree and global warming

I was just saying how ironic is that several of these magnificent tress have been lost to weather recently ... as many more are getting cut. Just a thought. You'd have to be more direct than the vague answer like:

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Originally posted by Magnetonium "Trees aren't eternal, you know?" Quotes like: "I'm just surprised by his post because it seems he's never realised trees have always grown, reproduced and died. This is not new or anything..."

Kay, I'll make my thoughts clearer next time

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Just disregarded my hint to the huge issue of forest destruction around the world. I guess noone understands it or takes the issue seriously.

No, no, I do think it is important to fight deforestation and all that.

It's all good, Lira, all good ;-)

I know that it was just one huge tree lost ... but doesnt it make you think immediately about the huge loss of trees every day around the world? Cause thats the first thought that popped into my head. I know that for many people it doesnt even cross their mind. No hint or no reminder. No association to the loss of this precious habitat. Trees die naturally, too, and they grow back naturally as well, but we kill too many more of them as well.

The death of an important tree should make people feel more alarmed and concerned about the issue of deforestation.

oldest tree 1000 years old?

Methuselah (estimated germination 2832 BC) is a Great Basin Bristlecone Pine (Pinus longaeva) in the White Mountains of California, which was 4,789 years old when sampled in 1957 when the trees were originally being surveyed by Schulman and Harlan. It is the oldest living organism currently known and documented, and still alive.

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Originally posted by xenpro oldest tree 1000 years old? Methuselah (estimated germination 2832 BC) is a Great Basin Bristlecone Pine (Pinus longaeva) in the White Mountains of California, which was 4,789 years old when sampled in 1957 when the trees were originally being surveyed by Schulman and Harlan. It is the oldest living organism currently known and documented, and still alive.

There are several other 4000-3000 year old trees as well.

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Originally posted by xenpro oldest tree 1000 years old?

Read the subject line. It was the oldest tree in British Columbia.

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World's oldest tree in B.C. falls

You can't tell me something isn't wrong with this.

yeah he's messed it up a bit.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Ummm, no offense, but are you an idiot? You are comparing a PLANT to a TREE? Are you insane? Do you even know the huge difference between how much carbon a tree can intake and stabilize in its roots, trunk, branches??? Plus you little drug plant will not only intake much smaller amounts, but it will release its CO2 back into the air once the leaves drop off or are chopped off. The tree stores carbon. And in much bigger amounts. You guys make me sick with all the environmental ignorance. Hint: Al Gore is not environment, so no need to think that global warming means everything environment-related.

Hemp has a massive growth rate. A field of hemp probably consumes carbon dioxide faster than a field of trees.

Besides, most of the carbon fixation in the world occurs in single celled algae

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Originally posted by eROs.au Hemp has a massive growth rate. A field of hemp probably consumes carbon dioxide faster than a field of trees. Besides, most of the carbon fixation in the world occurs in single celled algae

Stop making it seem like Euros knows something about plants.

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Originally posted by eROs.au Hemp has a massive growth rate. A field of hemp probably consumes carbon dioxide faster than a field of trees. Besides, most of the carbon fixation in the world occurs in single celled algae

Ok, lets cut down all the rainforests then [continue cutting them]. Who cares that rainforests are home to almost two thirds of the world's medicines. It won't affect the quality of air, it wont affect the soil, the climate, the water quality and the animals, plants and insects that depend on trees. Trees are just for a show, marijuana plants are far more important to support life than stupid trees. Algae is all we need, algae is more important than trees. After all, marijuana plants keep the soil stronger and healthier than trees can ever do.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Ok, lets cut down all the rainforests then [continue cutting them]. Who cares that rainforests are home to almost two thirds of the world's medicines. It won't affect the quality of air, it wont affect the soil, the climate, the water quality and the animals, plants and insects that depend on trees. Trees are just for a show, marijuana plants are far more important to support life than stupid trees. Algae is all we need, algae is more important than trees. After all, marijuana plants keep the soil stronger and healthier than trees can ever do.

No, I disagree with you completely. Trees are important.

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