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do fish feel pain?

do you feel guilty if you have a plate of fish sticks and sushi

no

I'm fairly certain it's been proven that fish are not physiologically developed enough to feel pain (I believe they lack a CNS, but I'm not sure).

In any event, it's one of the classic arguments vegetarians will give for eating fish, and also a prominent line in the final track on Nirvana's breakthrough album "Nevermind."

do fish feel pain?

yes.

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Originally posted by Vernon do you feel guilty if you have a plate of fish sticks and sushi

I feel bad for the poor rice crop. And the sea weed.

You registered to post this?

Here's a link to the Wiki on pain in fish:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish#P...ception_in_fish

It's apparently more controversial than I thought, but in general I'm guessing fish "pain" is probably something that couldn't be understood in the same terms as "pain" for humans, at least functionally.

this not a personal attack

A bit of a read, but: http://www.flyanglersonline.com/alc...l/ac051203.html


Summary: " Of the 150 plus papers I read on the Internet, every paper dealt with nociceptive pain in mammals except one, and that was Dr. Sneddon's paper. Several dozen papers described how nociceptive impulses travel to and are registered as pain in the neocortex of the brain (a part of the brain fish don't have). They also explained how reactions and other responses to that type of stimulus are controlled by various parts of the brain, but focused on the neocortex as the area where pain is registered. OK, so far it's at least 150 to one against Dr. Sneddons research.

Dr Bruno Broughton, Ph.D., one of England's leading fisheries biologists, agrees with Dr. Rose. Concerning Dr. Sneddon's research he says, "In particular, although they found special sensory cells around the mouth of the fish and drew parallels with the presence of sensory cells in higher mammals, they did not examine the capability of the fish's brain to process the information. Fish just don't have the brains to recognize pain. The so-called emotional center of the brain is missing in fish."

Ok, that's a lot more in line with what I had been taught in EE classes the past few years.

I just couldn't find a quick, solid, reliable source for the information, thanks Zoso.

Ya they usually screech when being bludgeoned by a bat, so my guess is they dont like it.

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Originally posted by RJT Ok, that's a lot more in line with what I had been taught in EE classes the past few years. I just couldn't find a quick, solid, reliable source for the information, thanks Zoso.

My work here is done. Now I shall retire for the evening and drink with relatives whilst jerking off quickly into the hooked mouth of a fish who carries an Al Queda bounty of one miiiiiiiiillion dollars.

LEAVE THE FISH ALONE!! THEY ARE ONLY HUM SEAF0OD!

I doubt if the struggle for existence is a "pleasant" experience for any organism even with its limited psychological abilities.

They sure won't feel any pain once im done with them

Will they enjoy it, instead ?

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Originally posted by Omega_M I doubt if the struggle for existence is a "pleasant" experience for any organism even with its limited psychological abilities.

I don't disagree, but the fundamental flaw in an argument like that when it comes to something like pain is that you're projecting human ideas and sensory experiences on a definitively non-human being. Just because you can anthropomorphize the experience of a fish, doesn't mean that the actual experience of the fish is similar to what we experience as pain.

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Originally posted by Omega_M Will they enjoy it, instead ?

I don't know, you tell me

Haha, not eating meat because animals feel pain? I haven't heard that one before

fishes dont like when i stick a knife in them

Halt! An alt.

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Originally posted by leph555 I don't know, you tell me

It didn't seem to enjoy.

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Originally posted by RJT I don't disagree, but the fundamental flaw in an argument like that when it comes to something like pain is that you're projecting human ideas and sensory experiences on a definitively non-human being. Just because you can anthropomorphize the experience of a fish, doesn't mean that the actual experience of the fish is similar to what we experience as pain.

ya, so is the experience a dog has, but we still imagine he goes through a similar process we do.

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Originally posted by Omega_M It didn't seem to enjoy.

not a fish

kurt cobain said they dont, so it must be true

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Originally posted by RJT I don't disagree, but the fundamental flaw in an argument like that when it comes to something like pain is that you're projecting human ideas and sensory experiences on a definitively non-human being. Just because you can anthropomorphize the experience of a fish, doesn't mean that the actual experience of the fish is similar to what we experience as pain.

I'm not projecting the human feeling of pain on a fish. Even with it's limited ability, the experience of dying is contrary to what the creature has been programmed for : to survive. The struggle for survival may be loosely defined as pain, because atleast in other higher forms of life and in humans, the process of dying, if experienced consciously, is characterized by pain.

Such things are very hard to define objectively I guess.

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