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Turkish Army attacks Northern Iraq
So here it is, folks. I am watching the live developments on the Russian television. Turkish special troops, backed by F-16's, artillery and armoured vehicles are pounding Kurdish positions up to 50 kilometres inside Iraq. All of this despite the very recent live announcement by the leader of Kurdish Worker's Party that they will declare cease fire and withdraw all their troops in sign of good faith, which they've done last in 1999-2004, though it was as usual ignored by Turkey. Also, the visit of Iraqi PM to defuse the situation and buy some time to win peace was ignored by Turkish Parliament bent on the war and supported by the public demonstrations in the hundreds of thousands.
I wonder if anyones going to do something about it? We don't want another lebanon do we?
Kurdish Worker's Party makes terror operationes aganist the army inside Turkey.Their main aim is to gather all the Kurds in Syria,Turkey & Iran inside one state "Kurdistan" at the north of Iraq by terror actiones....Of course it's a regional threat against these countries,however the Kurdes live peacfully in these countries for many ages.
After the occupation of Iraq,Mossaid/CIA operationes work to break up this part from the motherland "Iraq" bec.of its great richness of oil.
So according to their interests,Turkey and its neighbours watch their secret movements in the north Iraq.
Strange that the major networks are not picking up on this?
I've seen a few reports in lesser US media sources but if this is seemingly confirmed it should be the top story of all media sources...
Agreed George seems REALLY weird? Maybe in some way unconfirmed? Otherwise just insane that it's not being covered.
What sparked this anyway? A few days ago the Turks were saying that their attacks were a good while away. Some political analysts even suggested this was a baseless threat, designed only in spite of USA's recent genocidal thingy.
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| Originally posted by Dervish Agreed George seems REALLY weird? Maybe in some way unconfirmed? Otherwise just insane that it's not being covered. |
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| Originally posted by The Arbiter What sparked this anyway? A few days ago the Turks were saying that their attacks were a good while away. Some political analysts even suggested this was a baseless threat, designed only in spite of USA's recent genocidal thingy. |
Ah. Fair enough, I hope Turkey doesnt go medieval on this though, like Israel did.
I think it is just shelling for now, not an actual military incursion.
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| October 24, 2007 Turkey Shells Kurd Rebels in Iraq By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Filed at 7:31 a.m. ET ANKARA, Turkey (AP) -- Turkish troops have shelled suspected Kurdish rebel positions in Iraq, a government official said Wednesday, as military and civilian leaders gathered to discuss the scope and duration of a cross-border incursion. Turkish artillery units were shelling rebel positions as late as Tuesday night in northern Iraq, a government official said on condition of anonymity, because he was not authorized to speak to the media. The strikes were in retaliation for a rebel ambush on Sunday that killed 12 soldiers and apparently led to the capture of eight. The official did not say which areas were targeted and refused to give further information. Local media have reported that Turkish jets have struck targets inside of Iraq since Sunday's attack, but the government official denied that air power was used. Abdul-Rahman al-Chadarchi, a PKK spokesman, told The Associated Press by telephone that there were no Turkish attacks on PKK positions Sunday or Monday, but that they came under a helicopter assault that began Tuesday and continued Wednesday near Besta in the Chernak Mountain region inside Turkey. Kurdish officials had already confirmed the artillery attacks inside Iraq. Al-Chadarchi said the rebels suffered no casualties, calling Turkish claims to the contrary ''lies and Turkish propaganda.'' He said he didn't know if they killed or wounded any Turks. Turkey, which has massed troops on the border, warned Iraq and Western allies on Tuesday that an attack was imminent unless the U.S.-backed government in Baghdad takes action. Officials also said there would be no cease-fire with the separatist fighters. Turkish leaders face growing demands at home to stage an offensive in northern Iraq, where the rebels of the Kurdistan Workers' Party -- the PKK -- rest, train and get supplies in relative safety before returning to Turkey to conduct attacks. A high-level delegation from Iraq was expected to visit Ankara on Thursday, the state-run Anatolia news agency said. Foreign Minister Ali Babacan, returning late Tuesday from meetings in Baghdad, said: ''We said that we are expecting them to come with concrete proposals ... otherwise the visit will have no meaning.'' The U.S. issued its most direct demand yet for anti-rebel measures from Iraqi Kurds who hold effective autonomy over territory where Turkish Kurd guerrillas have camps. Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki on Tuesday ordered the closure of all offices belonging to the PKK in Iraq and said they would not be allowed to operate in Iraqi territory. But Babacan said that ''we need more than words. We said that preventing the PKK from using Iraqi soil, an end to logistical support and all PKK activities inside Iraq and closing of its camps are needed. We also said its leaders need to be arrested and extradited to Turkey.'' The PKK's al-Chadarchi criticized al-Maliki, saying ''it's shameful for al-Maliki to call us terrorists while at the same time maintaining that Iraq is a democracy. He's giving in to pressure from the Turkish regime.'' During the funerals Tuesday of 12 soldiers slain by rebels in the weekend ambush, tens of thousands mourners chanted slogans urging the government to order an incursion. Adding to the tension is the apparent capture of eight Turkish soldiers who have been missing since Sunday's ambush. Several newspapers printed pictures showing the eight missing soldiers -- apparently hostages in the hands of separatist rebels. Roj TV, a pro-Kurdish station that is based in Denmark and banned in Turkey on grounds that it is a mouthpiece for Kurdish rebels, aired footage of what it said were soldiers in rebel hands. In the footage, the camera pans across eight men standing in a row in the mountains with a PKK flag as a backdrop. Turkey seems willing to refrain from invading Iraq until at least early next month, when it is scheduled to host foreign ministers for a meeting about Iraq. U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has proposed a meeting among the United States, Iraq and Turkey during the Nov. 2-3 conference in Istanbul. ------ Associated Press writer Yahya Barzanji in Dahuk, Iraq, contributed to this report. |
If the US can go on unilateral military adventures, so can Turkey...
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| Originally posted by Dervish Agreed George seems REALLY weird? Maybe in some way unconfirmed? Otherwise just insane that it's not being covered. |
Correction: it appears that its not a large scale invasion yet, just special forces of Turkish army involved, backed by tanks, artillery and F-16's. Further updates coming later.
BBC is now reporting this story
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| Originally posted by Krypton If the US can go on unilateral military adventures, so can Turkey... |
From what I seen on Turkish TV, they are waiting till 2nd for the full invasion.
Around 100,000 Turkish forces backed by tanks and attack helicopters, have been deployed. Turkey's Prime Minister is warning the United States to act swiftly after Washington asked for a few days before any response to the killing of more than a dozen Turkish s More..oldiers by guerrillas from the outlawed Kurdish Workers' Party. Turkey's military says troops responded with a counter-offensive, killing at least 23 Kurdish rebels in sou More..theastern Turkey. Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has recalled security officials to Ankara for crisis talks. The fighting took place in Sirnak province, bordering Iraq, the Anatolia news agency reported, citing the army.The Kurds attacked with a heavy mix of weapons including Sniper Rifles bombs/grenades and heavy machine guns. The regional government in Sirak reported earlier Sunday that a PKK rebel had been killed while fighting the army in the Mount Cudi area. On Saturday, the army announced that it has created 27 new temporary security zones, reinforcing the already existing plan to deter rebel movement in the Sirnak, Siirt and Hakkari provinces, all close to the border with Iraq. Ankara estimates that there are thousands of PKK rebels who are supported or tolerated by Iraqi Kurds. Twelve people were killed at the end of September after a minibus was machine-gunned in Sirnak province, the PKK's bloodiest attack in Turkey in recent years. The PKK, listed as a terrorist group by Turkey and much of the international community, has waged a bloody campaign for self-rule in Turkey's mainly Kurdish east and southeast since 1984. The conflict has claimed more than 37,000 lives.
More pics of the operation.
Good picks. You've made me choose to cancel my vacation to Kurdist.. I mean northern Iraq.
Opposition to these strikes is completely justified. I oppose them in the same way I opposed the Israeli attack on Lebanon.
any news clips of this?
Those are some nice pics, among some other Turkish military equipment movements I saw on Russian TV ;-) they have a pretty dam good army thats for sure, modern and well equipped. Kurds definitely dont stand a shot. I think Kurds should concentrate more on liberating themselves in Iraq first, and worry about Turkey later. As much as I think that Kurds were cheated out of their own country after WW2, their current methods of resistance vs. powerful Turkey are hopeless and damaging to themselves. Though at the same time I am well aware of the brutality of the regime in Ankara. They refuse to give any grants, autonomy or give in to any demands of PKK. Even worse, they ignore all of PKK's announcements and pleas (like the cease fire one). Turkish military retribution is well known as well, they dont take guerilla attacks lightly - just look at this invasion and its reasons.
Turkey has big issues with ethnic minorities as well, no wonder why they have had some prolific hate crimes over the recent years.
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| Originally posted by nchs09 any news clips of this? |
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| Originally posted by atbell Good picks. You've made me choose to cancel my vacation to Kurdist.. I mean northern Iraq. Opposition to these strikes is completely justified. I oppose them in the same way I opposed the Israeli attack on Lebanon. |
Found more pics
I wonder where Turkey is getting all these high tech weaponry from?
Shit is really hitting the fan in that region sadly,and on top of all this we have the U.S playing the war drums on Iran.
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