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Saudi offers deal to end Iran nuclear stand-off

Saudi Arabia today revealed details of an ambitious offer to Tehran, aimed at defusing the growing crisis over Iran�s controversial nuclear programme.

Speaking at the end of the state visit to London by King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, his Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal said that every effort must be made to avert what many fear could turn into a military confrontation between the United States and Iran.

Washington and Tehran again attacked each other over the issue today. Nicholas Burns, the US under-secretary of political affairs, said that America was pushing to impose new sanctions on Iran. In Tehran, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad threatened retaliation against Europe if it followed America�s lead.

At the heart of the problem is Iran�s uranium enrichment plant at Natanz. Iran insists that enriched uranium will be used purely as fuel for its nuclear reactor at Buhsher. America and other Western nations suspect that the Iranians want to produce highly enriched uranium for use as a warhead in an atomic bomb.

Prince Saud said that to defuse the row, Saudi Arabia and a consortium of Arab Gulf states had invited Iran to produce enriched uranium jointly, where the plant could be properly monitored by international observers.

�We have proposed a solution, which is to create a consortium for all users of enriched uranium to do it in a collective manner that would distribute (nuclear fuel) according to need,� he said. �We hope the Iranians will accept this proposal.�

He said that the proposed plant would be built in a neutral third country, like Switzerland.

While the offer provides an imaginative solution to the crisis in the Gulf, Iran has so far not replied and in its public statements Tehran seems determined to press ahead with the construction of its own nuclear programme.

Tomorrow senior diplomats from America, Britain, China, France, Germany and Russia will meet in London to discuss the next move by the international community.

Washington, London and Paris all want existing United Nations sanctions tightened against Tehran, but the moves have been blocked at the UN Security Council by Moscow and Beijing, who both have lucrative trade arrangements with Iran.

A decision is expected later this month when the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), the UN�s nuclear watchdog, is due to deliver its latest report on Iran.

America has already tightened unilateral sanctions against Iran and is pressing the European Union to follow suit if no action is taken at the UN. The EU is Iran�s largest trading partner, accounting for 40 per cent of the country�s imports.

Speaking during a visit to a petrochemical complex in southern Iran, Mr Ahmadinejad said that sanctions did not work and that Europe had more to lose than Iran.

�You, Europeans, know well what will happen in the economic sphere if Iran takes a serious move in this matter,� he said. �You Europeans need us more...�

In the region there are fears that if the crisis escalates without a solution President Bush may carry out his threat to use force against Iran before it acquires a nuclear bomb.

Prince Saud said that another conflict in the region, which produces most of the world�s energy, would be a disaster for everyone.

�The escalation going on that could lead to conflict will benefit no one,� he said. �War in the area would be terrible.�

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Lets see is the Iranians accept the deal... ofcourse they are going to have a pretest to turn it down

third party uranium sourcing is not a bad idea, but where's the incentive for Iran?

Iran is only as strong as the sanctions that are NOT imposed on it. so far the Europeans are satisfied with that. thats not good.

Sod Iran! How about sanctions against Saudi Arabia for funding terrorism against the West and generally being one of the least democratic countries on Earth?!

People stop the madness!!!!!

the only reason anyone is dealing with anyone is OIL!!

and Jorge, you are so correct.... but its the ol mighty oil dollar hard at work....... we have our soccor mom's SUV to keep filled or lil Bobby might loose a few pounds

Yep and the oil dollar, the the absolute fear it strikes into the American elite have ensured that everyone in America has been convinced that Saudi Arabia is the most democratic and peace loving state in the world! They're America's best friend after Israel!

It makes me laugh (in a tragic kinda way) when I hear the American regime criticising Iran and claiming it is such a threat to global security when at the end of the day, Iran poses no conventional (military) or unconventional (terrorism) threat to America or the West (other than helping Shia elements in Iraq). But then in the same breath almost, they praise Saudi Arabia for the progress they're making towards democracy and their help in the fight against terrorism!

Well Saudi Arabia is the least democratic state in the Middle East and the majority of al-Qaida funds come from there too (altho lets face it, nobody cares about al-Qaida any more, even tho they are the real and only threat to America)

sounds like bullshit to me.Looks like another U.S strategy towards war.If Iran says no then they gonna come out and say "we tried working with Iran and it didnt work so attacking them is the only option" .

Hi Arnoldj. I'd thought I'd give you another chance to help me out with the answer to this simple question I posted earlier. In case you forgot, here you go:

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what is the best test to determine the differences between more than 1 independ. variable but with no repeated measures? IOW, to determine the impact of more than 1 independ. variable on a depend. variable?

Also, can you name the school and a few staff members in your department where you teach?

Thanks.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Hi Arnoldj. I'd thought I'd give you another chance to help me out with the answer to this simple question I posted earlier. In case you forgot, here you go: Thanks.

To help you out? What, do you think I give classes for free? Hell no!

Guys, please lets stay on topic and not hijack the thread and divert to other topics. I appreciate it

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Originally posted by LatinLover To help you out? What, do you think I give classes for free? Hell no!

I already know the answer - I'm seeing whether you do or not, thereby proving that you are a flat-out liar or not. So could you please answer the question? This is the third time you've dodged what should be an instant answer for a statistics instructor.

And where was it you taught again?

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Guys, please lets stay on topic and not hijack the thread and divert to other topics. I appreciate it

I agree with George - there's a number of countries we should be taking a hard look at if we are to follow our rhetoric on the War on Terra. Saudi Arabia is one of them, yet we seemingly dismiss them away as if they're harmless.

Jesus Christ! Not only I have to teach about politics but now statistics also. I might as well tech them how to become a man!

This is obsurb! You have a neighbor of Iran in the region trying to ease out tensions and you have the far left criticizing SA

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Originally posted by LatinLover This is obsurb!

Yes, yes it is.

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Originally posted by LatinLover Jesus Christ! Not only I have to teach about politics but now statistics also. I might as well tech them how to become a man!

You haven't "taught" shit. This is the fourth time you've dodged a very, very simple question. Please demonstrate that you have the basic knowledge to statistical question posed above.

And you'll have to forgive me for laughing at being taught how to be a man from someone who's been banned three times already, refuses to support one fucking asinine assertion they've ever made in this forum, continually demonstrating to be lying, and has a stupid fucking walking smiley pot leaf for their pic.

Your delusions of grandeur are already legion here, but there's no ceiling to stop you from continually making an ass out of yourself. By all means please continue.

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This is obsurb!

I'm actually laughing harder now. You're right, this is "obsurb!"

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You have a neighbor of Iran in the region trying to ease out tensions and you have the far left criticizing SA

You'll excuse me for not taking the Sauds too seriously when they're continually bankrolling the Sunni insurgents (you know, part of the 90% of the insurgency that's killing our soldiers and the Iraqis?), as well as harboring 15 of the 19 al Qaeda hijackers that actually attackers on 9/11. Granted, the Sauds have done some good things, and they've got al Qaeda problems of their own that they must deal with, but you cannot be dismissive of this country with our global War on Terra Bushy rhetoric while focusing solely on the likes of Iran. But sadly, narrow-minded folks like you and this Administration can only think in such tunnel-vision views.

Here's a few items of interest from the 9/11 Commission Report on our "friends" of Saudi Arabia:

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The Saudis generally resisted cooperating more broadly against al Qaeda financing, although the U.S. government did not make this issue a priority in its bilateral relations with the Saudis or provide the Saudis with actionable intelligence about al Qaeda fundraising in the Kingdom. Other issues, such as Iraq, the Middle East peace process, economic arrangements, the oil supply, and cutting off Saudi support for the Taliban, took primacy on the U.S.-Saudi agenda http://www.9-11commission.gov/staff...n_Monograph.pdf

And let's see, who was it that paid bin Laden about 200 million pounds in 1998 so he wouldn't attack targets in Saudi Arabia? Oh that's right, the fucking Saudi royals, of course:

http://www.muslimnews.co.uk/news/pr...hp?article=3286

And who led that delegation in giving that money to bin Laden? None other than intelligence chief and Saudi Arabia Ambassador to the U.S., Prince Turki:

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A further meeting in Kandahar, Afghanistan, in July 1998 led to the deal between Saudi Arabia and the Taliban. Those present included Prince Turki al-Faisal al-Saud, then chief of the Istakhbarat, Taliban leaders, senior officers from Pakistan�s ISI secret service and Bin Laden. Turki knew Bin Laden well, not just through family connections but because in the early 1980s he had hand-picked the young Saudi to organise Arab volunteers fighting the Russians in Afghanistan. According to the documents, the agreement stated Bin Laden would not use his forces in Afghanistan to subvert the Saudi government. In return, the Saudis agreed to ensure that requests for the extradition of Al-Qaeda members and demands to close Afghan training camps by third countries were not carried out. To reinforce the deal, the Saudis agreed to provide oil and financial assistance to both the Taliban and to Pakistan. The documents detail donations totalling "several hundred millions" of dollars.

And as mentioned previously, these bastards are STILL supporting people to come to Iraq and kill our soldiers:

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Sheik Saleh Al Luhaidan, seen in video seated to the right of the crown prince, is chief justice of Saudi Arabia's Supreme Judicial Council. His sermons and words carry great significance. In an audiotape secretly recorded at a government mosque last October and obtained by NBC News, Luhaidan encourages young Saudis to go to Iraq to wage war against Americans. "If someone knows that he is capable of entering Iraq in order to join the fight, and if his intention is to raise up the word of God, then he is free to do so," says Luhaidan in Arabic on the tape. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7645118/

And just recently, we have this interesting documentary that stated:

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(CNN) -- Saudi Arabia could have helped the United States prevent al Qaeda's 2001 attacks on New York and Washington if American officials had consulted Saudi authorities in a "credible" way, the kingdom's former ambassador said in a documentary aired Thursday. .... Speaking to the Arabic satellite network Al-Arabiya on Thursday, Bandar -- now Abdullah's national security adviser -- said Saudi intelligence was "actively following" most of the September 11, 2001, plotters "with precision." "If U.S. security authorities had engaged their Saudi counterparts in a serious and credible manner, in my opinion, we would have avoided what happened," he said. http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast...rism/index.html

Which taking our Administration's blind ignorance aside prior to 9/11 for a moment, does this not imply somewhat that the Sauds had good prescience of events to come?

But of course our little Bushies and his idiot minions like Arnoldj/LatinLover here hasn't a mere care in the world about the likes of these bastards. Why is that? Why give them a fucking high-five and give glowing stories like the topic of this thread instead of truly examine the actual harm FROM the Saudis instead? For Bush - I think you can say there's a number of factors involved, including a number of conflicts of interests perhaps.

For Arnoldj/LatinLover, who the fuck knows, but with his obvious unsupported remarks and assertions made, I think we all get a pretty good understanding why he thinks the way he does (or sincere lack of thinking altogether).

More on our good "friends" of Saudi Arabia here:

http://www.msnbc.com/avantgo/839269.htm

Avert your eyes, Arnold.

Here's a "far-left" journalist by the name of Jonah Goldberg who's opinions appear often in that "far-left" magazine and blog called "The National Review" who has some interesting things to say about our "friends":

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A while back the New Republic zinged National Review for running ads for Ann Coulter's book. I don't want to get into all that, except I think it was certainly fair comment for a magazine like TNR to make. However, I do think it's amusing that TNR runs a big juicy ad for Saudi Arabia in its current issue. Admittedly, there's no indication of corporate endorsement of the Wahhabi State, they don't say "The Editors of the New Republic Bring You Saudi Arabia" or anything like that. But, then again, whether you are a huge fan of Coulter's or an implaccable critic, I think I'm on solid ground when I say, "Sirs, I know Ann Coulter. I've worked with Ann Coulter. And, my friends, Saudi Arabia is no Ann Coulter." I mean the New Republic has time and again � rightly � denounced the Saudis for their anti-Semitism, their exportation of terror, their treatment of women, their undermining of democracy in the region, their duplicitous alliance with the United Sates, their role in fomenting al Qaeda etc. And while I find much to disagree with in Ann's writings from time to time, even her alleged crimes fall far short of Saudi Arabia's. http://corner.nationalreview.com/po...2Q5Zjk1MjJlZGU=

But of course, they're offering "peace" in the region, so let's continue to be dismissive of these "far-left" thoughts by these "far-left" journalists.

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Originally posted by LatinLover You have a neighbor of Iran in the region trying to ease out tensions

lol ya Iran is the evil one for sure!!!

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Originally posted by LatinLover Jesus Christ! Not only I have to teach about politics

No way in hell are you a politics teacher, I must have missed this thing you and MisterOpus1 have goin on, but if you've ever claimed to teach politics then fuck me that's the most blatant lie I've ever seen!

The fact that you see Iran as a bigger threat to the USA than Saudi Arabia proves that beyond all reasonable doubt...

(Oh and while you're whittering away about the "far left's" criticism of Saudi Arabia, perhaps you should type this into Google: "+daniel pipes +saudi arabia" cos I can tell you now Pipes is no left-winger!)

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Originally posted by George Smiley No way in hell are you a politics teacher, I must have missed this thing you and MisterOpus1 have goin on, but if you've ever claimed to teach politics then fuck me that's the most blatant lie I've ever seen! The fact that you see Iran as a bigger threat to the USA than Saudi Arabia proves that beyond all reasonable doubt...

Actually he claimed to be a statistics teacher. So I asked him a very simple statistics question, something that any teacher in statistics could answer instantly, and he has yet to even try.

I think he meant there that he is teaching us about these things. Not that he is actually teaching college classes at 19 years old.

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