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does anybody know any good theory for trance basslines. i know there was a thread about this but i cant find it. can anyone link it to me or at least give me some ideas?

there are many styles to trance. a goa/psy trance bassline is A LOT different than something as say above & beyond would do. what style? oh and by the way, basslines with no "theory" behind them, yet still work well in the song are the best basslines. all to often you hear the same bassline over and over again in so many songs.

Yea, basslines can be very similar in terms of notes. After all, they rarely lead in a trance track.

Then at other times tracks with very similar leads and synths have completely different sounding basslines.

It's a very general question and hard to help with.

Re: trance basslines

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Originally posted by costizzle does anybody know any good theory for trance basslines. i know there was a thread about this but i cant find it. can anyone link it to me or at least give me some ideas?

One word of advice: layering. Layering is the essence of most trance basslines, but keep in mind, that is most, not all.

Layering is excellent!

gate!!!

gate it manually in volume automation to get instant crazy bassline!!

start with an off beat sub poss a sin wav , sidechain it to your kick drum, fire a compressor on it. layer it if need be with anoteher sound, from there add notes as you go to see what sounds good, lengthen your notes and throw an arp on them - there are so many options available - there is no typical trance bass, it's what goes on with the bass that makes it trance

i have 3 basses.

first one covering the low end is an off beat sine wave. i use audio realism for this.

second one is a mid range bassline usually arped then high passed and low passed and certain points. v station for this.

third one is for the high end usually not arped but it changes with every track i do. vanguard for this.

thats how mine work although id say others will be far different.

thanks for the replys. im using fl studio 7 right now, idk what my sidechaining options are though. but how could you manually gate a bass. cause gated seems to give me a good sound techy sound that i want.

make a bassline that you think sounds good. if you cant do this then keep working until you can. any advise here will lead you along a path that is aleady overdone and boring. experiment, experiment, experiment.

Basses

Hi costizzle,

I'm also learning how to make kick + bass high pressure sounding!

Here some bass example from me:

Horse Power

* This is a club floor bass using Vengeance Samples and sidechain.
Just play a trancy basic bassline xXx xXx xXx and the bass low tail of the kick will affect in the first bass notes of every sequence xXx do not interfering in they low frequences.

Also the bass has a little of high passed delay and I've compressed the Kick + Bass together in a buss.

Never use reverb in Kick and Bass. In rare instances you can use it (in Bass) very compressed for a Benassi style for example.

I tune every sample (including the kick) using my ears and the fine tune knob.

Also the Vengeance Sample CDs have the most high pressure samples for productions and is a must have for kick and bass.

!Vengeance Samples are already compresed fo maximum pressure without significant loss of dynamics, so if you recompress they again you will loose a lot of dynamics! Only compress the kick + bass buss and at mastering.

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Also you can do some Layered basses using a high centered low bass and 1 or 2 more basses in the mix. Low bass + medium or high bass with delay.. This is the most trancy bassline.

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You can do some cool things with the pencil tool (I'm talking about audio and I'm not gay) Use it to gate in volume automation makig some cool drawings and copying it and pasting after a sequence is defined.. I think this is the case you get more techy..

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These techniques are what I learned at this moment.

Correct me someone if I'm wrong im some example and sorry my basic english.

tks

There are various "typical" trance basslines.

x---x---x---x---..........Kick
xx-x-x-xxx-x-x-x..........Bassline

There is also the
"running bassline"

X---X---X---X--- Kick
xxXxxxXxxxXxxxXx Small x= the octave youd normally use for a bass. Big X=one octave higher.

and
k---k---k---k---
-xXx-Xxx-xXx-xxX

Then u can variate by

xxXxXxXxxxXxXxXx or
xxXXxxXxxxXxXxXx etc etc etc

Another common one:
X---X---X---X--- Kick
--X--X----X--X-- Bass.

The gouryella Style Ferry one:
-xXx-xXx-xXx-xXx
-xxz-xxz-xxz-xxz Z being an octave lower than the little X

HTH

This gating and side-chaining type of effect can be obtained in FL studio by using the peak limiter. Read up on it and then you'll understand what they mean by drawing in notes to control the volume.

Also, be careful of having too much of the same frequency when you're layering. If you don't EQ, you can possibly have phase shifting and a "muddy" sound.

all your replies have been really helpful, thanks everybody.
if i have more questions i will post them here.

good luck w all your music production!

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Originally posted by djms start with an off beat sub poss a sin wav , sidechain it to your kick drum, fire a compressor on it. layer it if need be with anoteher sound, from there add notes as you go to see what sounds good, lengthen your notes and throw an arp on them - there are so many options available - there is no typical trance bass, it's what goes on with the bass that makes it trance

can any one show me how to do this in reason! Thanks

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Originally posted by Jimb0b k---k---k---k--- -xXx-Xxx-xXx-xxX

Apart from the different octaves that looks like a psy baseline to me.

Re: Basses

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Originally posted by cristianokeller Hi costizzle, I'm also learning how to make kick + bass high pressure sounding! Here some bass example from me: Horse Power * This is a club floor bass using Vengeance Samples and sidechain. Just play a trancy basic bassline xXx xXx xXx and the bass low tail of the kick will affect in the first bass notes of every sequence xXx do not interfering in they low frequences. Also the bass has a little of high passed delay and I've compressed the Kick + Bass together in a buss. Never use reverb in Kick and Bass. In rare instances you can use it (in Bass) very compressed for a Benassi style for example. I tune every sample (including the kick) using my ears and the fine tune knob. Also the Vengeance Sample CDs have the most high pressure samples for productions and is a must have for kick and bass. !Vengeance Samples are already compresed fo maximum pressure without significant loss of dynamics, so if you recompress they again you will loose a lot of dynamics! Only compress the kick + bass buss and at mastering. ---- Also you can do some Layered basses using a high centered low bass and 1 or 2 more basses in the mix. Low bass + medium or high bass with delay.. This is the most trancy bassline. --- You can do some cool things with the pencil tool (I'm talking about audio and I'm not gay) Use it to gate in volume automation makig some cool drawings and copying it and pasting after a sequence is defined.. I think this is the case you get more techy.. --- These techniques are what I learned at this moment. Correct me someone if I'm wrong im some example and sorry my basic english. tks

i cant hear this bass example the link dont work!

Ok, new link here:

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dude I dont know how to produce but if you can make songs like these examples then you have got mad style

1)crystal methods - trip like I do
2)voodoo and serano - this is acid
3) new order - pump panel reconstruction
4) chicanes - saltwater
5) sean dexter - synthetica
6) s2por - make me fell
7) trancend - moonmans trancedental bliss
8) blank and jones - watching the waves

those are all old songs but they owened in there day. make a club track

if you like that goa stuff CHECK OUT PURPLE AND LUNARS - SUBTLE THRUST that was a badass record great for massives.

but for GOA maybe on the old school okie cd the early one there is a record with a robot saying I'm feeling weird. that was a classic mix or the one with the police saying he wasnt cooperating.

oh yea z2 - i want you, hard heller ice794 and connective are great examples too.

Not really trance but, I have been working on my bass recently and i came up with this. [[ LINK REMOVED ]]


Feedback is welcome.

Edit: i made this at like six in the morning. I just had another listen and it is horrible. Fuck, I suck at bass.

I've discovered a neat technique to great a galloping bass line much like Tiesto used in his older tracks. One way I do this is I load a VST that has a bass with a strong and prominent reverb. I then just play a note after each reverb note and I get consistent rolling bass line.

There are many ways to approach creating a bass line. That's the beauty of producing!

One Word ICE 794 by Hardy Heller, track is 8 years old but the style perfect. I found a new song or somewhat new that has a fatass style of trance Onova - Platitude - Will Holland Remix. Its alot more smooth and not so raspy.

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Originally posted by cristianokeller Ok, new link here: [[ LINK REMOVED ]]

Heh, now that's original

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