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Hugo Chavez is told to shut up by King Juan Carlos I
Surprised to see noone has posted this yet...
Haha, yeah, it's been in both of the other Hugo Chavez threads, though admittedly not the video.
The king didn't tell him to shut up. He asked, "why don't you shut up". There is a difference from shut up! to shut up.
nobody speaks spanish...we need subtitles
This was beautiful.
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| Royal Reprimand November 12, 2007; Page A16 Spain's King Juan Carlos is revered for his decisive role in restoring democracy in his country after the death of General Francisco Franco. Over the past quarter century, the Spanish royal has been a voice for civility and reconciliation, both in his home country and throughout the Spanish-speaking world. [Hugo Chavez] So it was a rebuke heard 'round the world this weekend when he told Venezuelan President Hugo Ch�vez, "why don't you shut up," at the Ibero-American summit in Santiago, Chile. Mr. Ch�vez had gone on a rant against former Spanish Prime Minister Jos� Maria Aznar, calling him a "fascist" and stating that "fascists are not human. A snake is more human." Venezuelans have endured this sort of rhetoric for nine years from their strongman president, and Mr. Chavez has shown the same bullying style without rebuke at the United Nations. But the summiteers apparently had enough. Spanish Prime Minister Jos� Luis Zapatero -- who has enjoyed a cozy relationship with the Venezuelan government and is no ally of Mr. Aznar -- demanded that Mr. Ch�vez respect the participants at the table. He reminded the Venezuelan that Mr. Aznar had been elected by the Spanish people. As he later told journalists, Mr. Ch�vez's words were "inappropriate and unacceptable." Mr. Ch�vez would have none of it and, although his microphone was turned off, tried to talk over the Spanish head of state. That's when King Juan Carlos leaned forward, looked directly at Mr. Ch�vez, and told him to close down his act. Mr. Zapatero finished his dress down of Mr. Ch�vez and the room erupted in applause. The king rose and walked out shortly thereafter, having made his point in defense of civil discourse. |
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| More Trouble for Ch�vez By MARY ANASTASIA O'GRADY November 12, 2007; Page A16 In December 1957 Venezuelan dictator Marcos P�rez Jim�nez held a plebiscite on his presidency. By going through the exercise of a national vote, he thought he would legitimize his rule, which a military junta had handed him five years earlier. In the event, his government said he won, but Venezuelans weren't convinced. Within a month, a popular uprising drove him from the presidential palace and out of the country. Next month will mark the golden jubilee of P�rez Jim�nez's fateful December "triumph," which provoked his demise and opened a space for democracy to emerge in 1958. Coincidentally the anniversary falls in the same month as a referendum -- called by President Hugo Ch�vez -- on 69 constitutional reforms that will, among other things, allow him to rule for life. Americas columnist Mary Anastasia O'Grady discusses the mounting opposition to Hugo Chavez within the ranks of his traditional supporters. Like the last dictator, Mr. Ch�vez believes that if he can show that a majority of voters back his power grab, his government will have won the imprimatur of democracy. But now, as then, Venezuelans are putting up a fight. Mr. Ch�vez has already consolidated his power by getting control of Venezuela's political institutions. But now he wants to close any remaining loopholes by writing his absolute rule into the 1999 constitution. The trouble is that, according to the document, a major rewrite of the text can be carried out only by an elected constitutional assembly. This process is designed to preserve some measure of democratic pluralism and by trying to skip it, the president has provoked a firestorm of criticism. Mr. Ch�vez has been working to remove any counterbalances to his power for almost nine years now. Over that time he has met strong resistance from property owners, businesses, labor leaders, the Catholic Church and the media. But since the spring, when university students of varying backgrounds began to lead an opposition movement against his crackdown on civil liberties, many have wondered whether chavismo has begun to lose the support of the population more broadly. In opposition to the Dec. 2 referendum, university students have redoubled their efforts in the streets and a number of the president's heretofore backers have joined the chorus -- all of which has led to increased speculation that Mr. Ch�vez's days are numbered. It's easy to see what Mr. Ch�vez is after. Besides lifting presidential term limits, the referendum proposes to allow the media to be censored and civil liberties suspended under a state of emergency, to permit the government seizure of private property, to mandate a six-hour work day, to increase presidential power over state authorities and to end central bank autonomy. Up to now the fiery orator has had a rather easy time of rolling over his opponents. To counter their claims that he is taking Venezuela down the Cuban path, he has simply sounded the battle cry of class warfare and pointed to the corruption of former governments. The opposition has been fragmented and easily thwarted by a demagogue who promises to spread the oil wealth more equally. But this year something has gone terribly wrong with the formula, as evidenced by the dissent coming from previously supportive quarters. Mr. Ch�vez's decision to strip prominent media critic, RCTV, of its broadcasting license earlier this year may mark the tipping point. Assaults on private property and the jailing of opponents over the year hadn't produced much of a response from university students. But the clampdown on free speech set them off. They poured into the streets, amid tear gas and rubber bullets yet, notably, never called for Mr. Ch�vez to leave office. Instead they chanted for "liberty." While they lost their bid to save RCTV, they gained respect with the public as a credible voice against one-man rule. Now the students are back in the streets putting up a fight against the referendum. In the past three weeks tens of thousands have marched to the Congress, the Electoral Council and most recently to the Supreme Court. They are a problem for the president, not the least because their leaders are from middle and low-middle income backgrounds and cannot be dismissed as "elites." Moreover, their defense of civil liberties seems to resonate with an increasing number of Venezuelans. They say that they are opponents, not of Mr. Ch�vez per se, but of the destruction of the country's institutions that guarantee freedoms. Last week Mr. Ch�vez suffered another political setback, this time from his former minister of defense, Gen. Ra�l Baduel, who said that if the president gets his amendments it will amount to a "coup" against the democracy. That's a serious charge from any member of the armed forces, but coming from Gen. Baduel it is devastating. He was a key player in restoring Mr. Ch�vez to power when others in the military had removed the president briefly in April 2002. His criticism raises questions about whether Mr. Ch�vez is losing support within the barracks. Yet another high-profile defector from the Ch�vez camp is Hermann Escarr�, a constitutional-law scholar and one of the architects of the 1999 constitution, which Mr. Ch�vez has so often cited as sacred. Mr. Escarr� opposes the referendum, has joined the students in their protests and has vowed that he will not retreat. Most university rectors also back the students. If public support for Mr. Ch�vez is waning, it may not be due entirely to his politics. Inflation could finish the year above 20% and milk and sugar are extremely hard to come by. Still, analysts believe that the opposition is too weak to derail him at this time and that the referendum will be carried out regardless of its popularity. Nevertheless, just as P�rez Jim�nez found, holding the vote can't reverse Mr. Ch�vez's political fortunes if he has fallen from grace. Surely he knows this and it is why he has been preparing for a showdown. His supporters are armed, as we saw on Wednesday when students returning to the university from a protest march were ambushed by gun-toting pro-Ch�vez goons. One student was shot. Tragically, if Venezuelans decide Mr. Ch�vez should go it is not likely to happen without more such violence. |
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| Originally posted by ams.rld The king didn't tell him to shut up. He asked, "why don't you shut up". There is a difference from shut up! to shut up. |
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| Originally posted by Lira Pragmatically speaking, that was a indirect request, uttered as a question in order to sound more polite. |
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| Originally posted by Capitalizt nobody speaks spanish...we need subtitles |
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| Originally posted by Lira Pragmatically speaking, that was a indirect request, uttered as a question in order to sound more polite. |
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| Originally posted by ams.rld But, he is the KING of Spain. He should have been more aggressive towards his request. But the prime minister did a good job. Just not the king. |
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| Originally posted by ams.rld yeah...umm I speak spanish and so does Lira and Laz. So we are good here. |
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| Originally posted by Lira And Lebez (I guess). Anyway, I'm going to write a summary soon so others can understand what's going on |
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| Originally posted by ams.rld Why bother? People should learn how to speak and understand a foreign language on their own. If they are interested in this they should become spanish speakers. |
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| Originally posted by ams.rld Why bother? People should learn how to speak and understand a foreign language on their own. If they are interested in this they should become spanish speakers. |
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| Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Not everyone who knows a foreign language knows Spanish. |
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| Originally posted by ams.rld Why bother? People should learn how to speak and understand a foreign language on their own. If they are interested in this they should become spanish speakers. |
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| Originally posted by ams.rld And what do you speak? |
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| Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov ..but it's not going to get me much further than the menu at a Mexican restaurant. |
Chavez, the great statemen...
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7094148.stm
Spain king 'arrogant' says Chavez
Hugo Chavez
Mr Chavez warned Spanish commercial interests may be hurt
Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez has accused Spain's King Juan Carlos of "arrogance" after he told Mr Chavez to shut up during a summit in Chile.
However, Mr Chavez said he did not want a political crisis with Spain following the clash - only that Venezuela's head of state be respected.
Later, however, he said political, diplomatic and economic ties with Spain were being closely reviewed.
Spain has said it hopes for a swift return to normal diplomatic relations.
Mr Chavez's interview on state television on Wednesday could be seen as fuelling the row.
'No crisis'
"[The king] disrespected me, and he was laid bare before the world in his arrogance and also his impotence," Mr Chavez told a news conference on Tuesday, before adding: "We don't want this to become a political crisis."
He went on to say that Spanish commercial interests in Venezuela were not indispensable and hinted that they could be affected if the dispute worsened.
"Spain has many investments, private companies here and we don't want to damage that, but if they are damaged, they are damaged... We don't need it," he said.
The spat began at the Ibero-American Summit in Chile's capital, Santiago, when Mr Chavez called former Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar, a close ally of US President George W Bush, a fascist, adding "fascists are not human. A snake is more human."
Current Spanish PM Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero then said: "[Former Prime Minister] Aznar was democratically elected by the Spanish people and was a legitimate representative of the Spanish people."
When Mr Chavez repeatedly tried to interrupt, the king leaned forward and said: "Why don't you shut up?" before storming out.
The row later escalated when Mr Chavez said the king was "imprudent" and asked if he knew in advance of the 2002 coup against him.
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| Originally posted by LazFX you know who else only knew enough spainish to get by at the Mexican Restaurant?? . Hitler Kitty |
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| Originally posted by LazFX |
holy shit that is a good one!
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| Originally posted by LazFX you know who else only knew enough spainish to get by at the Mexican Restaurant?? . Hitler Kitty |
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