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Help! Which Synth?????
Trying to decide on a synth....
So the choices
1.Korg Radias
2.Alesis Andromeda
3.Virus TI
4.Other suggestions??????.......
You double posted this to the right forum... Well, I guess I'll just tag along, again.
As far as the synth, I would personally go for the TI out of the three, while the Korg in my second choice. I could be wrong about the Andromeda, but I have heard plenty of reviews that say that it's just not enough bang for the enormous price that it demands.
I would shop around and read reviews at places such as http://reviews.harmony-central.com/ .
Otherwise... I would personally invest in a super-powerful computer instead of those synths if I was given a choise. I'm happy with my tools but one can always use more CPU... IMO...
Do NOT get the Virus TI. It's a great synth, it sounds awesome. But there's just too many problems that IMO can not be fixed in a software update without reducing the polyphony drastically. You will not get 80 voices of polyphony like they claim (More like 24-32 voices). If you push it too hard it starts to emit clicking and crackling sounds. Basically the DSPs are too weak for the amount of features they crammed into it. Get a Virus C or B.
I'm a strong believer that if you can't answer such questions for yourself, then you shouldn't buy any of them.
Go forth and try them yourself! 
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| Originally posted by Eldritch Do NOT get the Virus TI. It's a great synth, it sounds awesome. But there's just too many problems that IMO can not be fixed in a software update without reducing the polyphony drastically. You will not get 80 voices of polyphony like they claim (More like 24-32 voices). If you push it too hard it starts to emit clicking and crackling sounds. Basically the DSPs are too weak for the amount of features they crammed into it. Get a Virus C or B. |
For trance, for a first synth, out of those three I'd go with the Virus, it's sound is geared towards trance the most. I have a Virus KC, it has a huge sound and never had a single issue. I'll wait and see what the TI 2 (or whatever Access make next) shapes up to be, but I have heard of people having software issues with the TI. To my ears, the sound isn't earth-shatteringly different from the C, so I'm happy to wait for their next absolutely rock-solid synth.
At the right time and price I'll pick up an Andromeda, since I'm well stocked for most other synths. But it doesn't sound like a bread-and-butter, first synth. And the Radias...if you can get it very cheap, then yes, Korgs have a certain solid sound to them...I dunno, I've heard the Radias criticised for that "band in a box" functionality, with all it's arpeggiation and drum tracks and everything happening at the touch of a button. If you can turn all of that off and it has good solid sounds, then I'd say yeah, grab one cheap.
Other solid first synths with a wide range of textures are the Nord Lead 3 (or Rack 3, if you don't require a keyboard and want to save some money) and Waldorf Q.
But I'd say, you could pick up a Virus C fairly cheap from somewhere and be well on the way, in terms of awesome hardware sounds.
It really depends on the sound you want.. Listen to samples of all synths, and get an idea of how they sound. The radias and the ti will sound digital, no question - and the andromeda is quite different. I suggest you read up on all the synths you'd be evaluating, and form your own opinion. I did, and ended up with the Andromeda - after cancelling my order for the ti. 
My only worries were if the synth would be stable, and not break up on me - or loose voices etc. I just simply love the sound of it, and the hands on control it gives me is brilliant. It just has "that" certain extra that I didn't hear in the ti.
oh, btw I've had it for two months now, and no problems so far. yay!
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| Originally posted by Eldritch Do NOT get the Virus TI. It's a great synth, it sounds awesome. But there's just too many problems that IMO can not be fixed in a software update without reducing the polyphony drastically. You will not get 80 voices of polyphony like they claim (More like 24-32 voices). If you push it too hard it starts to emit clicking and crackling sounds. Basically the DSPs are too weak for the amount of features they crammed into it. Get a Virus C or B. |
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| Originally posted by Khayat actually i checked the prices on ebay and i found some Virus Cs at 1100 USD so in this case i might give out more 500 - 600 USD and get the Ti |
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| Originally posted by emc^2 Talk about a rushed, overhyped, incomplete, unreliable, half-assed product |
Really sad to hear people have problems with their ti's. I got One and have no problems at all. I update the virus software when the new version comes out, it's working fine. I use the vsti part of it, and also run it using the old ways. I also have the virus c, and none of them gived me any truble at all. I have the virus c for about 5 years now and the ti for a year and something... all trouble free.
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| Originally posted by DJDIRTY Really sad to hear people have problems with their ti's. I got One and have no problems at all. I update the virus software when the new version comes out, it's working fine. I use the vsti part of it, and also run it using the old ways. I also have the virus c, and none of them gived me any truble at all. I have the virus c for about 5 years now and the ti for a year and something... all trouble free. |
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| Originally posted by thecYrus i second this. absolutly no problem with the TI. no timing probs, no connection lost, no clicks, no pops, no ... absolut rock solid. though i don't use the motherboard usb controller. i've a dedicated additional pcie usb controller (for ~10�) |
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| Originally posted by palm i assume ur killing the polyphoni with 2*9*8 voices on one single key, when u then press a chord u will have to have 432 poly. lol. |
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| Originally posted by palm i assume ur killing the polyphoni with 2*9*8 voices on one single key, when u then press a chord u will have to have 432 poly. lol. |
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| Originally posted by Beyer Still, there should not the pop and click in the audio. |
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| Originally posted by Eldritch Really? Prove me wrong then. Try this: Start with an init patch. Switch both osc 1 and 2 to hypersaw 9x Turn the filter down to one third. Turn on unison, set it to 8 voices. Turn up the amp release. Switch on reverb and delay effects. Now play some big chords, or just smash your hands randomly on the keys. Do this for about 30 seconds, it should start to click alot. I know I shouldn't really be using that much unison with a polyphonic patch, but it's the only way to reproduce these clicks consistently. I've been able to reproduce this on all Virus TIs I've used (Three so far). By the way, this works in standalone mode as well, so you can't blame the USB. |
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| Originally posted by G-Con I've not tried this and if I do, maybe I will hear some clicks and pops. What I do know is for the 6 or 7 months that I have used my TI, I haven't had any pops or clicks. Maybe if I did certain tests like the one you suggest I could get them to occur but in practice, it has never happened and to me this is all that matters... |
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| Originally posted by Eldritch Yeah, that seems to be the attitude of most Virus TI owners and Access staff. |
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| Originally posted by G-Con Do you think that I should be concerned/upset/disappointed with my TI performing perfectly for me? I completely understand you being frustrated with yours if you are having problems but for those of us that are problem free, why should we be unhappy? |
But have you actualy had problems in your day to day practical use or just when you do these partucular settings? I assume you have otherwise you would be happy with your TI.
I haven't had any problems so I am happy. I couldn't really care if it clicks or pops if I do that test, so long as it is okay otherwise. Surely you can understand that?
You both have valid viewpoints.
On the one hand, yes, I can see that if an instrument works for day to day use, then it's totally not an issue.
On the other hand, the example Eldritch provided sounds like straightforward operation - use these OSC settings, use reverb and delay...it's not like you're making hardware modifications to your instrument. And it's not optimal that you can use standard settings on your synth and the synth isn't built to handle it.
It'd be like getting an acoustic guitar or piano, and if you happen to play at a certain speed, the instrument can't handle it and the sound will be affected. That won't happen - you want to know, if I feel like bashing a heap of piano keys all over the place, the piano will give me the sound of bashing the piano keys.
There's a certain peace of mind, knowing that the instrument can handle whatever you wish to do with it.
but yes, you can look past that and just say "well, I'll never get the urge to do that".
(I have a Virus KC and never had a single issue with it. It'll be interesting to see if the TI 2 is solid, no matter what you happen to want to do with it...)
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| Originally posted by Eldritch Really? Prove me wrong then. Try this: Start with an init patch. Switch both osc 1 and 2 to hypersaw 9x Turn the filter down to one third. Turn on unison, set it to 8 voices. Turn up the amp release. Switch on reverb and delay effects. Now play some big chords, or just smash your hands randomly on the keys. Do this for about 30 seconds, it should start to click alot. I know I shouldn't really be using that much unison with a polyphonic patch, but it's the only way to reproduce these clicks consistently. I've been able to reproduce this on all Virus TIs I've used (Three so far). By the way, this works in standalone mode as well, so you can't blame the USB. |
I can't speak for those other synths you've mentioned but I got a Virus Ti about 4 months ago and absolutely love it. I can finally make those sounds I never could before and my productions have a marked level of quality over what I made before utilizing the Ti.
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