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making the transition...

i was doin some thinking the other day.. (bad idea yes) and it occured to me that perhaps mucking around on virtual turntables might not such be a good idea..??

in other words, i might be teaching myself techniques which are totally irrelevent to real turntables, thereby making it harder to mix on real decks when i finally get them.

does anyone who's progressed from VTT to real decks care to set the record straight??

am i just a paranoid fukker who's taken too many pills?

I guess you're a paranoid fukker

I went from VTT to real decks, and I can tell you that it was almost immediate. I took to it straight away. Even though VTT will never give you the real "feel" of vinyl, it comes as close as any and teaches you the basics of beatmatching and mixing etc. It is definitely worthwile practising with this before moving on to vinyl IMO.

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Originally posted by DJTJ I guess you're a paranoid fukker

hehe..

i guess thats good to hear
its gotta be alot harder with decks tho right? like with regards to pitch control with VTT, u can adjust it to the nearest 0.03%... pitch control on real decks cant be THAT accurate can it?

i agree with djtj. i learned how to beatmatch using vtt and its jogwheel (and not using the bpm tapper), when i picked up my decks in november, it only took a week or so before i was beatmatching no problem. I just needed to learn how to manipulate the vinyl, I already knew how to beatmatch tracks.

I totally recommend mucking around with mp3 progs (esp. vtt), cuz it teaches you how to beatmatch if u don't have turntables, as long as u don't use the auto beatmatch feature.

i agree, VTT is the best for learning to DJ. in particular, the transition to CD players is super simple, it's the same thing.

as long as you only used the sliders and jogwheel, if you use the bpm counter, you could stall your learning.

with turntables, you need to get the feel of the vinyl, but that only takes a while.

as for the pitch, you can actually configure VTT to go to 0.01 per click if you want to be that precise.

i set up mine to go 0.05 for the large jump, and 0.01 for the small jump.

and on technics, you can't see how far your jumping in %, but it's an analogue slider, so there is really no limit on it's sensitivity.

yeah i was thinking the same thing about djing with cds, that it'd be really similar to VTT

with regards to the jogwheel... is it such a good idea using that, except for correcting "throwing" errors, and instead just using the pitch slider to adjust the speed during a mix..

i dont use the bpm counter not, but i do read the digital pitch readout when im adjusting the pitch.. not many decks have that function..?
well not 1200's anyways

you know what? all these little gimmicks and bpm counters don't really HURT your technique, as long as you dont' learn to depend on them. I admit, when i first learned how to beatmatch, i used the bpm tapper on vtt. just to get used to feeling the relative speeds of hte songs.

now i can get songs matched up no problem on turntables without any aid, but I can't say the bpm counter in VTT hurt my technique, it was just a stepping stone, then you realize you can match it up by ear faster and more precisely, just don't let the tools limit your skills.

In my opinion I think Atomix mp3 helped me...
Else I am a talent

Using software won't hurt your future mixing skills, but I doubt that it'll help much, either. These are completely distinct activities, as far as I'm concerned. Using the software will have little if any bearing on mixing with TT's...

...unless you're using a program like Traktor. Traktor really tries to emulate the exact setup used in DJ'ing. However, even after Traktor you'll have to play with turntables to get a feel for them.

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Originally posted by Eugene Using software won't hurt your future mixing skills, but I doubt that it'll help much, either. These are completely distinct activities, as far as I'm concerned. Using the software will have little if any bearing on mixing with TT's... ...unless you're using a program like Traktor. Traktor really tries to emulate the exact setup used in DJ'ing. However, even after Traktor you'll have to play with turntables to get a feel for them.

not even with beatmatching?

is traktor better than VTT in your opinion ??

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Originally posted by ascension not even with beatmatching? is traktor better than VTT in your opinion ??

in my opinion no. vtt is the best program to teach you beatmatching right now. because it is EXACTLY like cd decks. traktor looks nice, but it has too many bells and whistles, auto counts your bpm, doesn't have a jog wheel etc. etc. VTT should be called VCDJ, cuz its cd decks on your computer.

but i agree with eugene that you'll have to get used to turntables hwen u actually make the switch, because you'll have to get used to all the new controls and how to touch the record etc. But at least you'll know how to beatmatch, which is usually the hardest and most frustrating part for most people who start out.

how do you guys use the jog wheel on the VTT or any mixing software?? its very hard using mouse to manipulate the track through the jog wheel IMO... but of course real TT's are much better then VTT's =) but i admit that VTT's(or any mixing software w/o bpmcounter) are a great learning tool for training your ear.

dunno, i always found the jogwheel very easy to use. spinning it clockwise is like giving hte record a little push, spinning it counter-clockwise is like slowing down the platter a little. If you don't like to use the jog, you can just use hte pitchbend. Only limiting thing about hte program is that you only have one mouse, but with real equipment you have two hands.

Plus the eq and mixer suck, but if you have a real mixer and 2 soundcards, you can get around that. Definately not the same feeling as turntables, but if you don't have the $$$, then its an awesome substitute.

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