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i find it some how hard to have 2 melodies going with each other plz i need to know is there is an easy way to do this much apreciated if any can help and btw i use fl in production.

you should study some theory and/or develop your ear. you asked the question sounding like you dont really have a clear understanding of tonal music. as long as your using notes that are in the key of the song and the notes in each melody are not creating dissonance with each other, they should be able to be played together well.

one more thing. you should not have two melodies going at once. the melody being the highest voice generally. using the model of SATB...soprano, alto, tenor, and bass, soprano being highest and bass lowest, your melody should typically reside in the soprano. in the case of your two melodies you should put the most memorable one on the top and drop the other an octave lower to use it as your alto voice.

2 melodys is easy... gtfo noob

well iam playing a first melo in 2 patterns and they r in key with the first 2 patterns of the second melo but the second melo is 8 patterns and i want the first melo to be going for the rest of it

...what?

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Originally posted by valdeski well iam playing a first melo in 2 patterns and they r in key with the first 2 patterns of the second melo but the second melo is 8 patterns and i want the first melo to be going for the rest of it

Try - Fail - Learn = Practice

We've all been there. Just stick with it, and look at good midi files with complex melodies / read about harmony if you will. I haven't, just been trying and failing for a long time.

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Originally posted by valdeski well iam playing a first melo in 2 patterns and they r in key with the first 2 patterns of the second melo but the second melo is 8 patterns and i want the first melo to be going for the rest of it

Stop shortening the word melody. And what you want is not going to happen. You have to change one or the other melody (or both).

u have to find progression that share the same notes somehow.

An easy to way to try and match 'melodies' is to make two random ones with the same notes. Also take a few notes of that melody to work as a baseline progression to go with it.

I also started music from scratch with only basic notation training. this 'little' trick above was what got me started in creating melodies and counter-melodies.
It does take quite some time to train your ears, but it works well!

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Originally posted by piku303 one more thing. you should not have two melodies going at once.

I guess you've never heard of counterpoint?

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Originally posted by Icone An easy to way to try and match 'melodies' is to make two random ones with the same notes. Also take a few notes of that melody to work as a baseline progression to go with it. I also started music from scratch with only basic notation training. this 'little' trick above was what got me started in creating melodies and counter-melodies. It does take quite some time to train your ears, but it works well!

well m8 thats what iam trying to do at the moment and realy it is a good one to work melodies but only on the same chords.

the problem going for me is i have a melo for 8 chords when i do a diff notes for it ok it goes well but when i do a melo for the first 2 chords and want it to go for the rest of the chords it dont work except for the first 2 only what i want is to start the track with this melo then i do the main one then play both together its almost in every trance track

my advice id have the one melody playing then just harmonize it,

2 melodies playing at the same time wont sound right

but if you harmonize like rank-1 youll be fine. go to google and type trance midi i forget the site but theres this site where you can examine midi and youll see what your doing wrong.

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what i want is to start the track with this melo then i do the main one then play both together its almost in every trance track

valdeski ,what your talking about is playing your main motif or main melody for 16 bars or 8 bars then harmonizing it with your (hook or motif) as long as your in the same key youll be fine.

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Originally posted by valdeski well m8 thats what iam trying to do at the moment and realy it is a good one to work melodies but only on the same chords. the problem going for me is i have a melo for 8 chords when i do a diff notes for it ok it goes well but when i do a melo for the first 2 chords and want it to go for the rest of the chords it dont work except for the first 2 only what i want is to start the track with this melo then i do the main one then play both together its almost in every trance track

Holy run-on sentence with an average of four letters per word and no punctuation! Your monosyllabic vernacular is making it difficult for me to understand your situation.

Also, if it's in almost every trance track it might be a good idea to take a step back and discover something unique.

a sample of what you have already would be useful to hear what your talking about.

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Originally posted by sterilis a sample of what you have already would be useful to hear what your talking about.

cool i will up in few seconds

here is the sample

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at first there is a starting melo then the main one then they hit together how this works and btw if any one know the timing of the notes will be grate too

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Originally posted by newtrancer valdeski ,what your talking about is playing your main motif or main melody for 16 bars or 8 bars then harmonizing it with your (hook or motif) as long as your in the same key youll be fine.

m8 can u explain to me what do u mean by the same key? dont get it sorry

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Originally posted by ******** how did you get the FL has "pattern mode" and "playlist mode" a variety of methods exist for mixing samples and elements. You can add the samples via cut/copy/paste functions to add a pattern into the pattern mode. If using the same instrument for multiple memories if you 'right click' and select 'clone' a duplicate of your intrument or sample will appear underneath the previous one and you can then add your second melody to that instrument. Alternatively using PIANOROLL if your version of fruity supports it, you can add more than single notes in the note sequence window - the one with the tabs you click on. In pattern mode you can also, and what people commonly do, just add layers of patterns. That is you have different melodies represented ONLY in a pattern, or a group of patterns that always occur with one another. There is also a "sample" option in fruity which allows you to paste a sample in the pattern sequencer at the point it appears in, so fruity has multi track sequencing capabilities that way. There is EVEN more than this in fruity by use of VST/DX plungins etc.. which may also be samplers or sequencers, but that is far to complex/lengthy and infinite to go into detail about. You can also render your samples from a VST instrument and use a sampler ... anywho IMO the easyway is cloning.. I almost always have each pattern whole, cloning my instruments and writing every single note... while 99.9% of people using fruity generally use block patterns then mix it in the pattern sequencer. I've only encountered a few people that write in fruity like me (although I have on occasion written the other way.. it feels way to slow for me though I like keeping a continuous flow and sound when I write, having to plan pattern by pattern rather then transer my thoughts is more complex, and i tend to think in movement... but that is a whole different story. Using piano role is the best way .. you can use cut and paste, if the two pattens are different sizes just duplicate.. alternately you can use the pattern sequencer. This should be enough to go on.

man iam not after fl fuctions i know most of them

i dont hear anything wrong in the sample tbh. dont no what your problem is.

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Originally posted by sterilis i dont hear anything wrong in the sample tbh. dont no what your problem is.

of course m8 there no something wrong its tom cloud production but thats what i want to do just like this iwant to know how the timing of the 2 melos goes and how he gets them into harmony together thats all

Talking about two melodies, what do you call a harmonic melody that's on top of another (higher octave)? I found a word for it once!

There's no way that I know of to teach something like this (outside of some music theory courses that I know nothing about). You create a melody, and then create another that sounds good with it over the top of the original. Don't take the road of creating one, then creating another, then trying to mold them together. (Unless, of course, you're talented enough to know what will work beforehand.)

Post a sample of what you've got thusfar.

Stop saying 'melo', it doesn't make you cool.

Anyway, what I'm hearing in the sample you posted I'll equate to the following: First section is like a rhythm guitar part with chords and regular timing, second section is the lead guitar that plays more freely and with more expression. Don't think of the first 'rhythm' part as an outright melody, it's more of a backup, as you find out when the song continues and the main melody plays over it. If you put yourself in that mindset you'll find yourself creating a song that gains that expression as it progresses.

Just my thoughts.

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Originally posted by valdeski of course m8 there no something wrong its tom cloud production but thats what i want to do just like this iwant to know how the timing of the 2 melos goes and how he gets them into harmony together thats all

we need to hear what you have otherwise we cant guide you in the right direction

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