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80's Trance?

A lot of new EDM has a definite 80's feel to it, you think this is the way the genre is heading?

Examples:

Marcel Woods - New Feeling (Nic Chagall remix)
B.E.N. vs. Digital Nature feat. Brandon A. Godfrey - Save me God (Orjan Nilsen remix)
Matt Cerf vs. Eric Meza feat Jaren - With me (Signalrunners Fierce mix)

And more mainstream stuff like Armand van Helden - I want your soul, or David Guetta - Baby when the lights go out

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Originally posted by the_gamemaster you think this is the way the genre is heading?

God I hope not

If trance really was going to for an 80s feel, it'd sound much more like industrial music than synth-pop.

BTW while we're at 80's trance, does anyone else thinks that Space Opera Theme (it's from 1989) sounds more like trance than new beat? I'd even say it has the greater rights to be called "the first trance tune" than Age Of Love (if we exclude What Time Is Love of course)

maybe something like this?

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Originally posted by RebeL9 maybe something like this?

ftw!

I really like that tune, but i can't say i'm impressed by the other two previews from the album, so i don't know what to expect.

Michael Cassette on anjunadeep is producing some really great stuff with some 80's influence thrown in there.

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Originally posted by sljiva BTW while we're at 80's trance, does anyone else thinks that Space Opera Theme (it's from 1989) sounds more like trance than new beat? I'd even say it has the greater rights to be called "the first trance tune" than Age Of Love (if we exclude What Time Is Love of course)

no there is an even older one from 86 97 or 88. i can't think of the name now but i posted a link in some thread about six months ago. cookies for you if you can find it.

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Originally posted by the_gamemaster A lot of new EDM has a definite 80's feel to it, you think this is the way the genre is heading?

80's EDM was either emo-alternative dance like Depeche Mode or dorky pop songs like the Saftey Dance. I prefer the former, most of the dance music I listen to is emo, with the exception of eurodance & full-on, which are not.

I will say this, I like where the industrial genre is heading. Some artists hybridized trance elements with emo-synth-pop of the 80's. Good stuff.

There is a long history to this genre... so songs like Filo & Peri - Anthem, are clearly adding synthpop elements, and a more emo 80's alternative dance approach to their production. It's a great song if your into synthpop.

EDM is not for people who think electronic music began in the 90's, it clearly did not.

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Originally posted by Verona^My EDM is not for people who think electronic music began in the 90's, it clearly did not.

It depends what you mean by electronic dance music.

If you mean purely music made by synthesisers instead of actual instruments then yes, it began well before the 90's

But if you're talking about the type of music that today we would recognise as being trance or house (modern electronic music), then it didn't become popular until the 90's.

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Originally posted by Verona^My 80's EDM was either emo-alternative dance like Depeche Mode or dorky pop songs like the Saftey Dance. I prefer the former, most of the dance music I listen to is emo, with the exception of eurodance & full-on, which are not. I will say this, I like where the industrial genre is heading. Some artists hybridized trance elements with emo-synth-pop of the 80's. Good stuff. There is a long history to this genre... so songs like Filo & Peri - Anthem, are clearly adding synthpop elements, and a more emo 80's alternative dance approach to their production. It's a great song if your into synthpop. EDM is not for people who think electronic music began in the 90's, it clearly did not.

i really HATE the way your calling DP "emo-alt dance." did you just make that term up? DP's lyrics are not close to todays melodramatic emoness dude. yes its moody, but not emo.

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Originally posted by Verona^My 80's EDM was either emo-alternative dance like Depeche Mode or dorky pop songs like the Saftey Dance.

What about electro, detroit techno, chicago house, italo... ?

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Originally posted by Spacey Orange no there is an even older one from 86 97 or 88. i can't think of the name now but i posted a link in some thread about six months ago. cookies for you if you can find it.

Yeah, if I remember correctly it was a tune from 1983 that sounded more like disco than anything else

EDM starting in the 90s? Well, for those who say that, you obviously haven't heard of "chicago house"... (that is the first genre of EDM!?) Just follow the link below...


Mr. Fingers (Larry Heard)- "Can You Feel It" (1986)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFuujExs03A


and if we can also consider the 80s electro/EBM/Industrial as a proto-EDM then wellcome to the amazing EDM of the 80s: (follow the links please).



Cabaret Voltaire- "I Want you"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2vnP-jA-Oc


Front-242- "Operating Tracks"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRpeVcjMvNo


F*cking amazing dark EBM/Industrial music of the 80s. I love how these tracks had a "gothic" influence (Sisters of Mercy ruled lol!). Not for the ASOT kids!


Oh yeah and Depeche Mode don't play "Emo" or anything like that FFS! "Emo" is a new bloody thing, Depeche were a classic synth-pop/new-wave band of the 80s (with a "gothic" influence as well, especially in albums like "black celebration"). I would say that they were quite influenced by earlier synth-pop/new-wave bands like "Tears for Fears", "A Flock of Seagulls", "OMD" etc. (amazing bands as well) but i think that they were the kings of this specific genre, together with New Order ( Ok "Talk Talk" were actually better...)

Ok, now that i think of it, the first "trance" (sounding) tune is probably THIS:




Gershon Kingsley- "Popcorn" (1969!!!!!!)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSRCemf2JHc


First of all, "trance" as music and concept was probably invented/inspired by 70s ambient master Klaus Schulze (whose 70s classic electronic albums such as "Timewind", "Moondawn", "Mirage" and "X" heavily influenced later ambient/electronic/krautrock artists such as Vangelis, Kraftwerk and Jean Michel Jarre. Rumour has it that the very same name-"trance" was inspired by Schulze's highly appraised 1981 album "Trancefer and 1988s "En=Trance". Here is "stardancer" from the 1978 album (OST) "body-love-2"


Klaus Schulze- "Stardancer-2" (1978)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2cG...feature=related



And another classic Trance (?) tune by Vangelis!:


Vangelis- "The Dragon" (1979)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpAX...feature=related


and what about these classic 70s proto-electronic/ambient/space-music (trance?) pieces by Tangerine Dream?:



Tangerine Dream- "Ricochet 2/2"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoSN...feature=related

(The journey starts at the 2-minute mark)



Tangerine Dream- "Madrigal Meridian" (1978-from "Cyclone")


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kzqg...feature=related


(wait till 3 minutes were the journey begins...trully bloody amazing cosmic [trance?] music!)






So, "trance music" as a form of electronic music that contains lots of repeatetive loopy arpeggios and dreamy lush pads existed before (in a way) the 80s electro/EBM/Industrial/Chicago House/Detroit Techno genre. It just came back in the 90s as a form of dance music with a streight "Four-to-the-floor" beat.

Petran, those are great tracks, definitely hear the influence, but what about this one...I always think of this as one of the most influential tracks to the melodic trance sound.

Jean Michel Jarre - Oxygen II (1976)

I've always thought since I first heard Jean Michel Jarre in 2001 that trance music (well the stuff I liked) was more influenced by him, and the others you listed from the 1970s, than techno. Maybe because it was more atmospheric, spacey, trippy...where techno, esp Detroit, is more soulful like house, and other techno is more relentless...where this track and others just build up and down throughout the track with all these trippy synth sounds..arpeggios.

bleck.. Tangerine Dream in the 80s was not their proudest moment imo. You have to go back even farther to their 70s works, but not as far as their really weirdo 60s stuff.

What about the soundtrack to The Terminator? 1984. Haha some def. EDM roots in there.

I would argue that one of the first trance songs is Pink Floyd "On The Run".

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Originally posted by Mr Game+Watch I would argue that one of the first trance songs is Pink Floyd "On The Run".

Yes, but then whoever used a sequencer for the first time made the first trance song. It's not that simple.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 maybe something like this?

If you don't mind me asking, which tune is that? I'm really liking it.

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Originally posted by chadi If you don't mind me asking, which tune is that? I'm really liking it.

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