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Why does FL suck so much?

I'm new to this site and new to the whole production thing as well. So I really don't know to much about it, so forgive me for asking this... Anyways... I want know why everyone hates Fruity Loops so much? I'm not trying to defend it or anything. I just want to know WHY its not the best tool for producing. I've listened to some people's tracks that were made on FL and they didn't sound bad to me. Maybe I'm not listening for the right thing... I really don't know... I just want somebody to clear this up for me. Also, what software might you recommend for the PC. I wish I had an apple, but I'm just to damn poor.

who's everyone? there are plenty out there who like FL.

some ppl have conditioned themselves to believe it's inferior software, so be it. truth or not.

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Originally posted by ASFSE who's everyone? there are plenty out there who like FL. some ppl have conditioned themselves to believe it's inferior software, so be it. truth or not.

It's just that i've met people that wont take the music seriously just because it was made on FL.

Personally I use it right now just because thats all I can afford. I just dont get why it's not considered as good as any other program.

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Originally posted by xxonemanriotxx It's just that i've met people that wont take the music seriously just because it was made on FL. Personally I use it right now just because thats all I can afford. I just dont get why it's not considered as good as any other program.

Those people simply aren't very bright.

I like FL, but I dont have any extensive experience with other programs. Some people claim that FL's audio engine is not as good as say Cubase, I dont know whether thats true or not.

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Originally posted by xxonemanriotxx It's just that i've met people that wont take the music seriously just because it was made on FL. Personally I use it right now just because thats all I can afford. I just dont get why it's not considered as good as any other program.

Its just plain bullshit my friend. Its just as hard to produce good music in FL as in any other host. Even harder.

Aaaas said... a thouuuusand times earlier. Its not the program, its the person using it.

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Originally posted by lenieNt Force Its just plain bullshit my friend. Its just as hard to produce good music in FL as in any other host. Even harder. Aaaas said... a thouuuusand times earlier. Its not the program, its the person using it.

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I still remember Dark Soho listening to one of my tracks some time ago, and the first thing he said, Cubase?
No, Fruity, oh .

Kopi =o.

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Originally posted by xxonemanriotxx It's just that i've met people that wont take the music seriously just because it was made on FL. Personally I use it right now just because thats all I can afford. I just dont get why it's not considered as good as any other program.

I was speaking to Steve Hill when hew was in Perth last year and he said most of his work is done in Fruity Loops. Technikal and D10 apparently do the same.

Realistically most software do the same job (except for recording capabilities) it's just a matter of what u prefer. To me though Fruity's is just too well...... FRUITY!!!

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I wish I had an apple, but I'm just to damn poor.

Unless you want to run Logic, which is only available on the Apple Macintosh platform, there is really not going to be any difference in DAW software between PC and Apple.

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Originally posted by Blahzaay I was speaking to Steve Hill when hew was in Perth last year and he said most of his work is done in Fruity Loops. Technikal and D10 apparently do the same. Realistically most software do the same job (except for recording capabilities) it's just a matter of what u prefer. To me though Fruity's is just too well...... FRUITY!!!

I bet they'll do a complete skin change in version 8.

Heh, reminds me of a thread on the Ableton forum about 64bit vs. 32bit, where a bunch of morons were arguing that you can't get a "professional sound" (God I love how overused that catch-line is) with 32bit audio.

Robert Henke came into the thread at one point and bitch slapped them; was rather amusing.

I've heard amazing shit in FL, amazing shit in Reason, amazing shit in Ableton, Logic, Cubase, Buzz, the list goes on. I've heard awful crap from all of the above as well. Don't believe what some morons spout off as fact when it comes to how capable a DAW is when it comes to EDM; most of it comes down to your workflow and personal preference.

im sorry if this offends anyone, but the way i see it is; eventually the users of fruity will have to change a to another DAW. I mean how many well known producers use fruity loops in comparison to lets say logic. I believe Logic is the industry standard for EDM, im not saying good quality tracks cant be made with fruity (although you would have to get after market plugins). I have done the change from fruity to logic and honestly within a week i believe that my tracks were sounding better.

Producing with fruityloops is like doing a magazine cover with MS PAINT instead of photoshop. It can be done, although it shouldn't be

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Originally posted by catalystG5 im sorry if this offends anyone, but the way i see it is; eventually the users of fruity will have to change a to another DAW. I mean how many well known producers use fruity loops in comparison to lets say logic. I believe Logic is the industry standard for EDM, im not saying good quality tracks cant be made with fruity (although you would have to get after market plugins). I have done the change from fruity to logic and honestly within a week i believe that my tracks were sounding better. Producing with fruityloops is like doing a magazine cover with MS PAINT instead of photoshop. It can be done, although it shouldn't be

I'm sorry, but that's utter nonsense (and I'm not a frequent FL user).

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Originally posted by catalystG5 I believe Logic is the industry standard for EDM, im not saying good quality tracks cant be made with fruity (although you would have to get after market plugins).

I love to have logic but it looks so damn complicated. I wouldn't even know where to start.

FL is crap because it is cheap and therefore used by a larger margin of people who contain a higher yield of incompetence. FL sucks because of the placebo effect when a bunch of people who don't know how to produce gather in a circle and start yacking about tools instead of actually producing.

Well... if FLStudio is good enough for Kopi, Cybernetica, Ronald Jenkees and Leonard Nimoy then it's good enough for me.

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Originally posted by xxonemanriotxx I love to have logic but it looks so damn complicated. I wouldn't even know where to start.

Logic is really not any more complicated than any other DAW software, it just may work differently than another piece of DAW software you may be used to. I was a Cubase user for 10 years, and I have picked up Logic quite easily and I have only had it for about a month. Sure, some things are different, but its pretty easy to just look something up in the manual if I need help. Any software is easy to learn if you have the desire and are willing to put in the work.

These are the DAWs I know, how long I have used them, and why they are shit.

Sonar (2 weeks) - REALLY crap user interface
Cubase (3 years) - Buggy, crap user interface
Reaper (1 year) - Buggy
Ableton (3 weeks) - High CPU use, weak audio tools
FL (3 years) - Crap multicore support, weak audio tools
Reason (6 months) - No VST/audio

With the exception of reason (because it can't do alot of audio stuff), all the others are as good as eachother. Just stfu and get over it, they all have problems.

xxonemanriotxx, I wouldn't listen to CatalystG5. He's a prime example of a noob following the trail of ignorant elitism. I can guarantee you for every thing he says Logic has that FL doesn't, I can name an even more important feature Logic doesn't have.

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Originally posted by catalystG5 im sorry if this offends anyone, but the way i see it is; eventually the users of fruity will have to change a to another DAW. I mean how many well known producers use fruity loops in comparison to lets say logic. I believe Logic is the industry standard for EDM, im not saying good quality tracks cant be made with fruity (although you would have to get after market plugins). I have done the change from fruity to logic and honestly within a week i believe that my tracks were sounding better. Producing with fruityloops is like doing a magazine cover with MS PAINT instead of photoshop. It can be done, although it shouldn't be

Yeah, yeah... I suppose the secret to your music is using incredulous amounts of liquify filter.

Give me a break... a bad analogy is like a leaky screwdriver.

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I wouldn't listen to CatalystG5. He's a prime example of a noob following the trail of ignorant elitism. I can guarantee you for every thing he says Logic has that FL doesn't, I can name an even more important feature Logic doesn't have.

obviously you havnt read my post. I once was a fruity loops user, and i didnt just jump into logic and spend $1000 on a DAW that is inferiour to something thats selling for $200. I have used the both for long periods of time, and i would never go back to fruity. I cant say much about Cubase etc. because i havent used them.

I believe you get what you pay for.
Oh and tell me something, do you use mspaint?

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Originally posted by echosystm I can guarantee you for every thing he says Logic has that FL doesn't, I can name an even more important feature Logic doesn't have.

Thats true, there are probably a few things that you might miss if you were to start using Logic. A couple of examples are: Logic currently does not have "elastic audio" in the same sense that almost every other major DAW has, and more importantly logic did not even have sample-accurate audio editing until version 8. Logic has always been a bit behind the other DAWs in terms of audio editing features. Thats one of the reasons you see a lot of producers running a Logic/Pro Tools combo. They like to compose in logic and edit in ProTools.

There are tons of long time Logic users who are saying they will stick with 7 because the workflow has changed fairly dramatically in Logic 8. Don't get me wrong, its not like Logic 8 doesnt have all the features that Logic 7 had, its just they are implemented differently and many, many things have been changed in both the UI as well as the way the software works. This is not a bad thing, its just different and some people don't like it.

You should see all the people bitching up a storm on the Logic forums...

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Originally posted by catalystG5 I believe you get what you pay for. Oh and tell me something, do you use mspaint?

Dude, chill out... leave the leaky screwdrivers out of this.

I use Fruityloops as a VSTi in Sonar 7.

Percussion is programmed, sequenced and mixed in FL while all the synths and other parts are hosted and sequenced in Sonar (which has better MIDI editing)

it works great, since FL's strength really is pattern programming, and Sonar's strength is mixing, automation, and MIDI editing.

Heh this kind off topic have so many...i use flstudio works for me because i started with it. tryed cubase logic but fl works better for me.

Deadmau5 uses fruityloops.

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Originally posted by catalystG5 Producing with fruityloops is like doing a magazine cover with MS PAINT instead of photoshop. It can be done, although it shouldn't be

That's an atrociously bad analogy. My Albino 3 will sound exactly the same in FL or Live, so that breaks your theory right there.

It's not a n00b program. Sure the workflow may not be ideal but that's a personal preference. I started with FL and I don't consider it noob, even though I don't use it anymore.

Go tell Maor Levi that his music sounds like it's made by a noob and that he will eventually move to a "better" sequencer

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