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if "Islamically this is allowed " under Islamic law- then whoever wrote the law was..

.. a fucking Sick ass child raping mother focker!! Fock the people that condone this sick ass shit.... there is not any way to make this "normal" just some sick...


I mean really, what the hell is this???

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Under-age marriage picture wins UNICEF prize Monday, December 17, 2007 The image hardly fits our idea of the happy couple's wedding picture - but this haunting photograph taken in Afghanistan graphically captures life for millions of girls given in marriage while under age. It shows Mohammed, 40, with his new 11-year-old wife, Ghulam. Taken by US photographer Stephanie Sinclair, it was named Unicef Photo of the Year yesterday. Some 60million girls worldwide are married while still under age, according to the children's rights agency.

but if it was good enough for ol mohamed( blessed be his name ) then I guess muslims will not have an issue with it.. please any muslims out there, please tell me not all of you condone such sick ass shit... SOURCE

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Originally posted by LazFX but if it was good enough for ol mohamed( blessed be his name ) then I guess muslims will not have an issue with it..

Aisha was six when married to Mohammed... but in fairness he waited until she was nine to bang her, that shows some pretty remarkable restraint... IGK wouldn't be able to wait 3 years.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard IGK wouldn't be able to wait 3 years.

lol I miss the IGK jokes.

what gets me is How does a man want to be with a child?? Is he that disturbed that he can only find satisfaction with a lil kid??
I know what Unicef is trying to do with this picture and I applaud them for bringing this issue to the forefront. But that has always bothered me ... about the religion of the Muslim and how they seem not to want to acknowledge this issue... I know the bible has its own shit, but over all the majority of Jews & Christians have grown away and evolved with time. Is it that Islam is such a young religion and still has its own "reformation" to go through?? Especially in this part of the world?

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Originally posted by LazFX Is it that Islam is such a young religion and still has its own "reformation" to go through?? Especially in this part of the world?

It think you hit the nail on the head right there. Remember, Islam is only 1400 years old... think about Christianity at 1300-1400 years of age, it had some messed up problems too; the top positions in the Orthodox church were sold to the highest bidder, there were contraversies over who the rightful pope was, the Spanish Inquisition, Pope Alexander VI having children and then giving away church lands to his children, selling forgiveness, etc. all hot on the heels of the final crusade. It's probable that Islam will sort itself out in time, unfortunately, in the mean time we have an adolesent, evangelical, medieval religion armed with modern weapons.

Maybe he's just a common paedophile??

Anyway, it's completely sick at that age (altho I suppose this all depends on what an acceptable age of concent is in the first place, but clearly that age gap is not acceptable) and I don't think there should be any justification in any system that even allows this to happen, let alone encourages it

Anyway, the UNICEF report says this is most common in South Asia (predominantly Hindu) and Sub-Saharan Africa (predominantly Christian) but mentions it does happen in Northern Africa and the Middle East suggesting this is a) not as common as in the other places and b) it is cultural rather than something inherent in Islam

http://www.unicef.org/protection/in...lymarriage.html

So nice try but no banana

(BTW, what are you doing reading a free newspaper they give away on British buses?!?!)

This is some really disturbing f*cked up shit ...

So much pedophilia going on in the world ...

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Originally posted by George Smiley Anyway, the UNICEF report says this is most common in South Asia (predominantly Hindu) and Sub-Saharan Africa (predominantly Christian) but mentions it does happen in Northern Africa and the Middle East suggesting this is a) not as common as in the other places and b) it is cultural rather than something inherent in Islam

but???? it actually is a However..

and this is what was sent to me by a friend...

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After all, Muhammad did not live in our culture or under our law. He lived under a Semitic culture. And this custom of marrying girls after their first menses existed in the Mideast long before Muhammad.

So ok, you have me Jeorge..... its the culture and not the religion... even though the religion is based off the culture... Since it was written by a man of the culture. Right??


also here is a map if any one wants to see the break down as George stated

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Originally posted by George Smiley (BTW, what are you doing reading a free newspaper they give away on British buses?!?!)

Really?? Oh I am sorry let me know the next time any of us hicks use a news source that is not up to your standards. ..... oh wait... the hugo chavez thread.. lol

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Originally posted by LazFX Really?? Oh I am sorry let me know the next time any of us hicks use a news source that is not up to your standards. ..... oh wait... the hugo chavez thread.. lol

It's a fairly decent paper actually! Never criticised it, just found it odd that someone from Yankland would be going out of their way to read soemthing I pick up free on a bus!!

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Originally posted by George Smiley It's a fairly decent paper actually! Never criticised it, just found it odd that someone from Yankland would be going out of their way to read soemthing I pick up free on a bus!!

what?? a mesican can't edumecate hisself??

I actually found via Fark .

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Originally posted by LazFX please any muslims out there, please tell me not all of you condone such sick ass shit...

Are you fucking serious? Do you really believe that any sane Muslim anywhere would condone a 40 year-old marrying an 11 year-old? Do you seriously think that any of the Muslims on this forum should be made to apologise for this man?

I just did a search for "sex offenders" in Houston on the "Texas Department of Public Safety" website and I found 100 offenders just between the names of "Aaron" and "Armstead". Out of curiosity, Laz, where was your condemnation when Leonard Allen sexually assaulted a child of 14? Were you forced to speak out on a public forum, elucidating your position that you don't "condone such sick ass shit"? How about when Jose Luis Andrade committed aggravated sexual assault on a child of 13? I must have missed that post when you disassociated yourself from this Mexican inhabitant of Houston who just happens to fuck little kids. But then why should you have to disassociate youself from him? You are clearly a very different individual from this fellow Mexican inhabitant of Houston, aren't you Laz? So do you see my point?

Grouping all Muslims together in the same moral corpus makes as much sense as groupng all people from Houston together in the same moral corpus. You would be offended if I made you apologise for all the sex-offenders in Houston, so maybe you will understand why Muslims might be offended when you challenge them to apologise for the actions of an Afghani paedohpile.

Thank you very much, George already pointed my error, and you are correct I am sorry to lump them the way I came across....

and to answer your question, I despise all pedo's they should not be out in the streets.... no matter where they are from or what "culture" they partake in.

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Originally posted by LazFX Thank you very much, George already pointed my error, and you are correct I am sorry to lump them the way I came across.... and to answer your question, I despise all pedo's they should not be out in the streets.... no matter where they are from or what "culture" they partake in.

Okay then. So why, in creating this thread, did you choose to highlight just a single instance of paedophilia in Afghanistan (as opposed to the thousands of instances in your own city) and then try to intimate that it is a problem somehow unique to Islamic "culture"? Are you trying to highlight the global problem of child-abuse, or are you just trying to rail against Islam? If the former, then what's with the thread title?

Sometimes I can't figure out if you're really belligerent, stupid, insensitive, or just a complete asshole Laz.

It's not Islam. It's the culture. Obviously Afghanistan is still stuck in the Dark Ages so this stuff is going to happen...

This happened in the west too, so I dunno what everyone is all worked up over. They are living in the our past..

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Originally posted by Renegade Okay then. So why, in creating this thread, did you choose to highlight just a single instance of paedophilia in Afghanistan (as opposed to the thousands of instances in your own city) and then try to intimate that it is a problem somehow unique to Islamic "culture"? Are you trying to highlight the global problem of child-abuse, or are you just trying to rail against Islam? If the former, then what's with the thread title?

I'm not sure if he was trying to point out that pedophilia is unique to Islam (not trying to put words into his mouth) but that it's something far more acceptable, at least in the instance of the picture and location, than it is other places. Using your example, that list of sex offenders in Houston is there because what they have done is not acceptable, whereas we have a picture of an 11-year old and someone four times her aged being married in an acceptable way. If you could find an Afghanistani sexual offenders list, that would show differently. Again, I'm thinking (hoping) that he was merely trying to show the acceptance of underage relationships, not their exclusivity to Islam or a region.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono I'm not sure if he was trying to point out that pedophilia is unique to Islam (not trying to put words into his mouth) but that it's something far more acceptable, at least in the instance of the picture and location, than it is other places. Using your example, that list of sex offenders in Houston is there because what they have done is not acceptable, whereas we have a picture of an 11-year old and someone four times her aged being married in an acceptable way. If you could find an Afghanistani sexual offenders list, that would show differently. Again, I'm thinking (hoping) that he was merely trying to show the acceptance of underage relationships, not their exclusivity to Islam or a region.

The thread is not really about paedophillia in general but of the phenomenon of child wives. So I admit the analogy between pedos in our own (Western) countries and those in other nations is not accurate as you rightly point out there is a difference between acceptance and not.

However, the UNICEF report (where this whole topic came from) quite clearly states that this phenomenon happens mainly in sub-Saharan Africa and South Asia, while pointing out that there are instances of this happening in the predominantly Muslim North Africa and the Middle East, which suggests it is not as common in those two regions.

Christianity is the main religion of sub-Saharan Africa and Hinduism is the main religion of South Asia, altho in both regions, there is a huge Muslim population, so it might very well be that this phenomenon is restricted to the Muslim population, but the report doesn't comment on that so it's impossible to say either way.

Given the fact that peadophillia is not restricted to any religion or culture, then it is quite likely that the common factor is not religion but a backwards culture, of which there are an abundance in the main regions in the report, which contain all the relgions...

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Sometimes I can't figure out if you're really belligerent, stupid, insensitive, or just a complete asshole Laz.

I apologize Shaolin..... but the more I delve into this subject the more I just want to learn more about the justifications for such behavior. And I realize that it is not only in the muslim world.
Sorry..


It just pains me that there are many cultures that this is still accepted....


I could just delete this thread like others do though

No need to delete the thread, I don't like it but I've gotten used to it by now... being painted with a broad brush that is, and on occasion things worse than that. There's nothing I can do about it and I'm tired correcting incorrect perceptions, not to mention it's pointless majority of the time. I simply don't have the time or energy anymore. So I try not to react to it as much as possible.

OK...first of all...am an Iraqi Muslim. and in my culture...this kind of act is not really acceaptble, and even in Islam ( The Quran) not the stuff people claim to be truse islam, it shows that the girls approval is the most imporant thing, if the girl in not of right age, then she cant get married.

Please dont judge islam from afganstan, they are drug dealers and present an extreme vision of my religon.

thank you.

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Originally posted by limpboy even in Islam ( The Quran) not the stuff people claim to be truse islam, it shows that the girls approval is the most imporant thing, if the girl in not of right age, then she cant get married.

So Mohammed's wife Aisha, I suppose she was mature enough at the ripe of age of 6?

ok...you cant just look at that way. First of all....culture and people 1500 years ago and not the same as now, second of all, Aisha is hated by some muslims, although some claim she was his fav wife, so in the end, the Quran is the ONLY thing that muslims should follow, not minor things that our prophet has done, that is my opinion.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I'm tired correcting incorrect perceptions, not to mention it's pointless majority of the time. I simply don't have the time or energy anymore. So I try not to react to it as much as possible.

I can't even tell you how many American laws I think are complete bullshit in the same regard.

And really, it's true of both.

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