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No one to vote for in 2008. O Lawdy, what is i do?

So, I'm officially stumped. I don't have a single candidate I wanna vote for, and I mean NONE. I think they all suck and will all be BAD for this country. The question is, who does a responsible citizen like me vote for, perhaps vote AGAINST to ensure that our country is not just handed to yet ANOTHER cretin?

I would have voted for Gore, but he ain't running. I am not gonna vote for Hilar(ity) nor O'Bum-a. Adolf Guliani... nope. The rest of the clowns are equally pathetic.

I am genuinelly worried, as there are NO good choices for 2008. Sh!t, we're screwed.

oh, and P.S. I have no party affiliation, so I don't care if it's a Dem or Republican, as long as they get us out of the mess we're currently in.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/...di_n_77734.html

I wouldn't even consider supporting any of the Republican candidates right now, but if Hagel threw his hat in the ring, even I as a liberal would have to think long and hard about it.

Joe Biden seems to be a moderate democrat who will get the US back on track. Presidential runs are so chancy. That's why we need third and fourth parties, hell, coalitions of parties. It'de be great if voting was mandatory, then there might be third parties.

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Originally posted by Krypton Joe Biden seems to be a moderate democrat who will get the US back on track. Presidential runs are so chancy. That's why we need third and fourth parties, hell, coalitions of parties. It'de be great if voting was mandatory, then there might be third parties.

Yeah, as foreign policy goes, it's hard to beat Biden.

I have been thinking the same thing. This is the first election I can remember where I didn't already know who I was going to vote for by now

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Originally posted by Lesbianosaur http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/...di_n_77734.html I wouldn't even consider supporting any of the Republican candidates right now, but if Hagel threw his hat in the ring, even I as a liberal would have to think long and hard about it.

Ok, the first paragraph killed it for me... Michael Bloomberg???? You mean the guy who is turning NY into all that's bad with California and London? And you consider yourself a "liberal"??? Dude, Bloomberg would be the MOST DEFINITE CANDIDATE I WOULD VOTE AGAINST. Hell, I'd vote for Kusinich, Obama, Hilary, McCain or even Huckabee before I'd vote for Bloomberg, inspite of him being one of my peeps.

Out of all these clowns, I favor McCain only fractionally more than the rest. Ain it funny though... When many americans wanted McCain to run, he said "no". Now, many don't feel as excited about him anymore. Now many americans would support Gore running but he made it quite clear that he's done with the presidential races and is not running.

ha. we can't get always get what we want....

I think Gore would have been a friggin "sho-in". I mean, how could the guy who invented teh internetz not win?

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Originally posted by emc^2 Ok, the first paragraph killed it for me... Michael Bloomberg???? You mean the guy who is turning NY into all that's bad with California and London? And you consider yourself a "liberal"??? Dude, Bloomberg would be the MOST DEFINITE CANDIDATE I WOULD VOTE AGAINST. Hell, I'd vote for Kusinich, Obama, Hilary, McCain or even Huckabee before I'd vote for Bloomberg, inspite of him being one of my peeps.

Well, if you read my post, you'd see I was talking about Hagel, but I'll take the bait and ask how Bloomberg is "turning NY into all that's bad with California and London."

Well, if you read the first 2 paragraphs of the article YOU referenced, you'd probably read this:

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New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Nebraska Senator Chuck Hagel have been conducting regular, private phone conversations over the past few months in an effort to "feel each other out" for a possible presidential run, sources have told the Huffington Post. The development feeds speculation that the two men could mount a third-party White House ticket. And while the maverick Republican and the independent mayor have met in the past, the ongoing conversations provide the clearest indication yet that they are considering such a move.

my take away on that was that Hagel AND Bloomberg were considering running. BLOOMBERG is bad news. Why, you ask?

Perhaps some of the subjects that are at least of interest to me:

1. Tax for driving into Manhattan - same as London now charges

2. California-style "health nut" initiatives - e.g. no smoking anywhere in public places, including streets, parks, etc. I personally tend to enjoy the freedom of smoking and if Bloomberg doesn't like it, he can suck the exhaust tip of my car.

3. Surveilance cameras everywhere - a-la "Big Brother", London style. O Rly???? Sure, let's give away yet another piece of our private life for a perceived notion of "safety". Where do I sign???

4. Crack down on clubbing venues in NYC, making Guliani seem like a little puppy in comparison.

Not to mention number of his taxation proposals, etc. If anything I think Bloomberg would be ultra-conservative and BAD NEWS for people like me, who enjoy smoking, drinking, partying, and driving... not to mention hate taxes.

Feel free to chime in at any time with your counter-points. The floor is yours, sire.

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Originally posted by emc^2 4. Crack down on clubbing venues in NYC, making Guliani seem like a little puppy in comparison.

Um, no...

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Originally posted by emc^2 Well, if you read the first 2 paragraphs of the article YOU referenced, you'd probably read this:

Yes, I realize that. But Hagel is the reason I would take a strong look at the ticket, which is what I initially said. I honestly don't know much about Bloomberg other than that New Yorkers seem to love him compared to Giuliani. My college room mate, who has very similar political views as myself, is a big fan of Bloomberg, which leads me to believe he would deserve at least a closer look by myself.

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1. Tax for driving into Manhattan - same as London now charges

Sounds good to me - for the high traffic situation alone. And plus, I care about the environment.

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2. California-style "health nut" initiatives - e.g. no smoking anywhere in public places, including streets, parks, etc. I personally tend to enjoy the freedom of smoking and if Bloomberg doesn't like it, he can suck the exhaust tip of my car.

I guess you haven't been outside NYC lately. The three places I have lived in the last three years - Minnesota, Columbus, OH, and DC, all have that same law on the books. And are much better for it. Going out in DC is so much more enjoyable than going out across the river in Arlington, VA where you have to suck down second-hand smoke all night. Great law for public health in my opinion.

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3. Surveilance cameras everywhere - a-la "Big Brother", London style. O Rly???? Sure, let's give away yet another piece of our private life for a perceived notion of "safety". Where do I sign???

Without knowing the specifics of this it is hard to comment, but an increase in surveillance does make me uneasy, but is something I can get over if it's the only thing I disagree with him on.

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4. Crack down on clubbing venues in NYC, making Guliani seem like a little puppy in comparison.

Again, no specifics, and since Groundhog Boy doesn't agree, I don't know what kind of counter-point you're looking for from a non-New Yorker.

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Not to mention number of his taxation proposals, etc.

He's raised some taxes, but that's not something I'm altogether against. Taxes are lower in the US than anywhere else in the world, and with our inability to make ends meet in government budgets, higher sales taxes aren't the worst idea I've ever heard.

And anyway, if your hate for Bloomberg is because he's bad for clubbers, I don't think that's a relevant reason for me to disregard a presidential ticket. I think if he were in the White House, he would have bigger things to worry about than your partying habits.

In all, your four points just have me shrugging my shoulders and thinking "so?"

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Originally posted by Lesbianosaur Yes, I realize that. But Hagel is the reason I would take a strong look at the ticket, which is what I initially said. I honestly don't know much about Bloomberg other than that New Yorkers seem to love him compared to Giuliani. My college room mate, who has very similar political views as myself, is a big fan of Bloomberg, which leads me to believe he would deserve at least a closer look by myself.

Oh, well... if your college roommate is a big fan of Bloomberg - why didn't you say so earler??? Shit, that's a brilliant reasoning and logic right there! Count me in too!

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Sounds good to me - for the high traffic situation alone. And plus, I care about the environment.

Please tell me which bicycle you're riding on your way to/from school and home. I find that 99% of those who say "they care about the environment" limit the extent of their contributions to separating paper and plastic into proper recycle bins... while driving to work in their Hummer H3.

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I guess you haven't been outside NYC lately. The three places I have lived in the last three years - Minnesota, Columbus, OH, and DC, all have that same law on the books.

Actually, I have. And guess what - I enjoy having the freedom to do with my body as I please. If I want to kill myself by smoking, I don't need you friggin hippies and government muppets to tell me what I can or cannot do. To quote one of my favorite comedians, Denis Leary:

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According to Cocteau's plan, I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal?

The scary part is with Bloomberg's war on trans fats, we are not too far from a situation described above.

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And are much better for it. Going out in DC is so much more enjoyable than going out across the river in Arlington, VA where you have to suck down second-hand smoke all night. Great law for public health in my opinion.

You know what??? I would be totally cool to be completely isolated by a separate wall with a dedicated ventilation system in a restaurant, so I could continue to poison myself. OK? Let the restaurants make that choice, not the government. I'm sure your precious little lungs would be just as fine if we were isolated... Thanks for your concern, though.

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Without knowing the specifics of this it is hard to comment, but an increase in surveillance does make me uneasy, but is something I can get over if it's the only thing I disagree with him on.

"Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither."
-Benjamin Franklin

what else are you willing to sacrifice to give the government more control than it already has (including ignoring the Constitution and enjoying immunity from punishment for breaking the laws mandated by Bill of Rights)?

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He's raised some taxes, but that's not something I'm altogether against. Taxes are lower in the US than anywhere else in the world, and with our inability to make ends meet in government budgets, higher sales taxes aren't the worst idea I've ever heard.

Perhaps not spending $15 bln/month on war would be a good start to make those ends meet? Correct me if I'm wrong, but we had a surplus at one point, no? You are not against taxes because you don't work for a living yet. When you're a sole earner for a family of 4 and about 33% of your income is taken in just paycheck taxes, then additional 15% are taken for property taxes, medical insurance, additional educational programs for your children (which, in most countries you speak of are government-subsidized), you're on THE SAME TAXATION LEVEL as other countries... although the perception is that you're paying LESS. Let's talk when you have a mortgage, kids, and multiple car payments (which also carry tax). Ok, sweetie?

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And anyway, if your hate for Bloomberg is because he's bad for clubbers, I don't think that's a relevant reason for me to disregard a presidential ticket. I think if he were in the White House, he would have bigger things to worry about than your partying habits.

actually, that's the least of my worries. It shows his "concervatism" and if it already hasn't been made quite apparent by my earlier comments, I'm not very cool with "concervatism".

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In all, your four points just have me shrugging my shoulders and thinking "so?"

Your points have left me in awe of your ignorance. All the money spent on college education (regardless of how much or little) have gone to waste. You seemed to me like a sharp guy but in light of your comments, I am suspecting you're just one of those college boys who likes to show off how smart he is by counter-arguing the common sense to show what a unique and intelligent rebel he is, coz' you know, chix dig that.

Guess what, it's rather twatish, IMHO.

Here's hoping one day you can revert to this site as a reference point and something in your head screams - HOLLY SHIT, DID I ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT??? WOW. WHAT A MORON I WAS BACK THEN!

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Originally posted by emc^2 Oh, well... if your college roommate is a big fan of Bloomberg - why didn't you say so earler??? Shit, that's a brilliant reasoning and logic right there! Count me in too!

I don't recall saying I was going to vote for him by recommendation. Let me check.


Yep, just said I would look into him further. But misconstrue that all you want.

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Please tell me which bicycle you're riding on your way to/from school and home. I find that 99% of those who say "they care about the environment" limit the extent of their contributions to separating paper and plastic into proper recycle bins... while driving to work in their Hummer H3.

I take the bus normally. If I'm not running late, I walk to the Metro. I walk to the grocery store. I rarely drive anywhere. New York City has a pretty extensive subway and bus system... in fact, the majority of people in Manhattan don't even feel the need to drive everywhere. Fancy that.

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Actually, I have. And guess what - I enjoy having the freedom to do with my body as I please. If I want to kill myself by smoking, I don't need you friggin hippies and government muppets to tell me what I can or cannot do. To quote one of my favorite comedians, Denis Leary:

The laws aren't against smoking in general, simply against smoking in a public place, which is protected by the same precedent as "captive audience" decisions handed down by the Supreme Court. Your liberty to swing your arms freely extends as far as my nose.

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The scary part is with Bloomberg's war on trans fats, we are not too far from a situation described above. You know what??? I would be totally cool to be completely isolated by a separate wall with a dedicated ventilation system in a restaurant, so I could continue to poison myself. OK? Let the restaurants make that choice, not the government. I'm sure your precious little lungs would be just as fine if we were isolated... Thanks for your concern, though.

The point is that restaurants did not take that added expense because a. many smokers were not cool with that, and b. it is an added cost that they don't feel is necessary to pay. Are you saying you would have rather it been legislated that restaurants segregate smokers and non-smokers?

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"Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither." -Benjamin Franklin what else are you willing to sacrifice to give the government more control than it already has (including ignoring the Constitution and enjoying immunity from punishment for breaking the laws mandated by Bill of Rights)?

Surveillence cameras are nothing new. You still haven't elaborated on exactly what you're talking about - to what extent, etc. But if they're putting up a few cameras in Central Park or on traffic lights, I don't see that as a huge infringement on my civil liberties. If they're putting up cameras to cover storefronts, businesses, etc., then that's a different situation.

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Perhaps not spending $15 bln/month on war would be a good start to make those ends meet? Correct me if I'm wrong, but we had a surplus at one point, no?

I'm against the war. And yes, we had surpluses under Clinton, when defense spending was much less. I'd like to get back to surpluses, but I'd also like to improve upon things like universal healthcare and education, which might incur costs.

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You are not against taxes because you don't work for a living yet. When you're a sole earner for a family of 4 and about 33% of your income is taken in just paycheck taxes, then additional 15% are taken for property taxes, medical insurance, additional educational programs for your children (which, in most countries you speak of are government-subsidized), you're on THE SAME TAXATION LEVEL as other countries... although the perception is that you're paying LESS. Let's talk when you have a mortgage, kids, and multiple car payments (which also carry tax). Ok, sweetie?

Look, I struggle to make rent payments every month and pay for my health insurance as well, but I don't let that deter me from my belief in the common good over my own profit. The government provides services that I can and do benefit from.

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actually, that's the least of my worries. It shows his "concervatism" and if it already hasn't been made quite apparent by my earlier comments, I'm not very cool with "concervatism".

Actually, you're coming across as quite conservative with your "no taxes, screw the environment" talk.

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Your points have left me in awe of your ignorance. All the money spent on college education (regardless of how much or little) have gone to waste. You seemed to me like a sharp guy but in light of your comments, I am suspecting you're just one of those college boys who likes to show off how smart he is by counter-arguing the common sense to show what a unique and intelligent rebel he is, coz' you know, chix dig that.

Chicks? Do you see any chicks in PDD? But nice to see that you equate anything you believe with "common sense."

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Guess what, it's rather twatish, IMHO.

Great.

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Here's hoping one day you can revert to this site as a reference point and something in your head screams - HOLLY SHIT, DID I ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT??? WOW. WHAT A MORON I WAS BACK THEN!

If anything, I'll regret wasting my time responding to posts like these.

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Originally posted by Lesbianosaur If anything, I'll regret wasting my time responding to posts like these.

+1,923,452,326,392. Finally, we agree on something. Thanks for saving me the time.

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