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First monitor advice... KRK vs Event

Hi

i currently have only a laptop with onboard sound running fruityloops. I am in the market for some near field sturio monitors though for around 300 a pair.

My room in uni is about 3/4 meters long by 2/3 meters wide and roughly 2/3 meters high. Walls are red brick and i have a fire door whch i find keeps the sound sealed in my room.

I have searched google, tranceaddict here and even been going through a phase of getting headphones instead. I have now narrowed down my choices based on my research to the following:

KRK RP5 Rokit

Event TR8


So here are my questions if anyone can offer their own advice/experience, what would give me the best sound for the price? I really can't decide between the two, and i can only hear an audio demo of the KRK ones where i live here.

I am assuming i would probably need to opt for an external soundcard and maybe even an amp also?

I was thinking about getting active monitors as opposed to passive. Is there any major difference?

I demo'd a pair of KRKs a while back and thought that the sweet spot was a touch small in comparison to the other monitor's i was listening to.

The Events, definately. You might want to consider the TR6 model though.
Yes, you will need a new, preferably external audio interface. I recommend the Echo Audiofire interfaces.

Both monitors are active, meaning they have built in amps.

tr8s vs. rp5s?

tr8s cost like, 3 times as much as rp5s. are you sure you're talking about the right models?

I don't think it really matters which one you get so long as you stick with your decision and get used to monitoring on them to learn where they are deficient.

I have a pair of Dynaudio BM5as and almost never use them. I use a pair of Sennheiser CX-300s most of the time. Admittedly thats largely because I can't get away with making a huge racket in my apartment but in fairness to the CX-300s, I'm so used to monitoring on them it feels weird when they aren't stuck in my ear. Little buggers only cost me 30 quid.

The Events seem to have the best range (35Hz - 20Khz) at 329, but i was looking now also at the Tapco S-5 (64Hz - 20Khz) for 199 as i could also get some sort of external audio card for the money or at least put it towards it.

I was going to go for beyerdynamic DT990 headphones at first, but everyone said you simply can't do proper mixdowns on headphones.

I found i could not personally

Get the Event TR-6. You need 6" drivers to get accurate bass. Tapco monitors are fine, but I wouldn't recommend them since they're only 5".

I am going to go with the Tapco S8.

Reading reviews and the frequency response they have is better than anything else i have been considering.

I can't comment on the Event monitors but I have found that the KRKs sound a little muddy in the mid to low mid. I found the KRKs to be a little too hi-fi for my liking.

That said I mix on Yamaha MSP5s which I know are not to everyones taste either. Yes, I know they weren't mentioned but in my mind not a bad option.

You might also want to look at Genelecs although I have found that their smaller models tend to under perform slightly.

However you shouldn't really do your final mix downs purely on headphones but they are great for panning. Although you don't get a proper idea of the stereo image so it's not good to rely only on headphones.

Cheers
Nem

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Originally posted by the-sixth Reading reviews and the frequency response they have is better than anything else i have been considering.

i really hope you havent't (didn't?) base your decision on reviews and frequency response alone. transient reponse? porting (front or rear)? woofer/tweeter type? stero imaging? for example, dynaudio bm5as are great monitors, but if you put them infront of a window, you might as well have bought behringers, because they will sound like total crap.

i don't want to get down on you, but i really hope you take (took?) the standard monitor advice and listen to them first. we say this for a reason - because reviews and statistics mean fuck all man. any speaker can go down to 50hz, it just might sound shit because they've had to put a huge ass port in the back that turns bass into nothing but a muddy drone.

...not that anyone seems to listen these days.

for the record, the fact that tapco are made by mackie means nothing, don't let marketing sway you. the mackies being sold today are not the same as the mackies being sold 10 years ago - 10 years ago they used Vifas, now they use Superhappyfuntimeyumchas. ^_^

PS. Without seeing an actual frequency graph, it is safe to ignore frequency response entirely. It is an estimate at best and saying a speaker goes down to 40hz does not mean it goes down to 40hz WELL.

RESEARCH!

I'm not saying Tapco are crap though. I'm just saying you're going about the decision the wrong way. If you want something good, put the effort in.

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Originally posted by echosystm i really hope you havent't (didn't?) base your decision on reviews and frequency response alone. transient reponse? porting (front or rear)? woofer/tweeter type? stero imaging? for example, dynaudio bm5as are great monitors, but if you put them infront of a window, you might as well have bought behringers, because they will sound like total crap. i don't want to get down on you, but i really hope you take (took?) the standard monitor advice and listen to them first. we say this for a reason - because reviews and statistics mean fuck all man. any speaker can go down to 50hz, it just might sound shit because they've had to put a huge ass port in the back that turns bass into nothing but a muddy drone. ...not that anyone seems to listen these days. for the record, the fact that tapco are made by mackie means nothing, don't let marketing sway you. the mackies being sold today are not the same as the mackies being sold 10 years ago - 10 years ago they used Vifas, now they use Superhappyfuntimeyumchas. ^_^ PS. Without seeing an actual frequency graph, it is safe to ignore frequency response entirely. It is an estimate at best and saying a speaker goes down to 40hz does not mean it goes down to 40hz WELL. RESEARCH! I'm not saying Tapco are crap though. I'm just saying you're going about the decision the wrong way. If you want something good, put the effort in.

+1

You also stated that the walls were red brick etc. The other thing to consider is to get some accoustic treatment for the walls and placement of the speakers, as the guys have stated if you have bad placement of monitors you may as well have crap. There is a lot to think about but ultimately you should try and put yourself in a situation where you can listen to them, get examples of their stereo qualities and how the frequency response is in your ears.

Cheers
Nem

I have the KRK 5's with Edirol UA-25 USB Interface, the speakers arnt the best for bass but you just have to make sure you dont put too much bass in the track, I was thinking of getting the sub that comes with it but it again is expensive.

The Edirol is wicked, I had to put it on a separate USB hub controller on my pc to sort latency but is kool apart from that, I think I get 11ms latency now, I had to get some gold tipped 1/4 cable jacks for like �10 each in the end to stop a buzz I was getting, now I get nothing.

They are amazing speakers otherwise and dead cheap for the quality and technology you are getting.

I will use this thread as I am in similar situation, I am thinking to buy KRK or Eevent monitors, first my room is pretty small 3x4m, models I found for my price are: krk rp6, krk rp8, event tr6, event tr8(or maybe some other in similar price?). I am useing headphones akg240 so any of this monitors would do his job? as they are probably not high end ones.

This is a good thread lots of good advice here. About 4 years ago I bought the Mackie HR824s just because of their reputation and now I regret it horribly. I know it was a rookie mistake, just buying something because of the good things you hear or read about them. I really hate these things for production. Defintely need to get something new and I will reference this thread when the time comes.

If I were in the market for inexpensive monitors, I would get these :

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MR8/

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Originally posted by echosystm i really hope you havent't (didn't?) base your decision on reviews and frequency response alone. transient reponse? porting (front or rear)? woofer/tweeter type? stero imaging? for example, dynaudio bm5as are great monitors, but if you put them infront of a window, you might as well have bought behringers, because they will sound like total crap. i don't want to get down on you, but i really hope you take (took?) the standard monitor advice and listen to them first. we say this for a reason - because reviews and statistics mean fuck all man. any speaker can go down to 50hz, it just might sound shit because they've had to put a huge ass port in the back that turns bass into nothing but a muddy drone. ...not that anyone seems to listen these days. for the record, the fact that tapco are made by mackie means nothing, don't let marketing sway you. the mackies being sold today are not the same as the mackies being sold 10 years ago - 10 years ago they used Vifas, now they use Superhappyfuntimeyumchas. ^_^ PS. Without seeing an actual frequency graph, it is safe to ignore frequency response entirely. It is an estimate at best and saying a speaker goes down to 40hz does not mean it goes down to 40hz WELL. RESEARCH! I'm not saying Tapco are crap though. I'm just saying you're going about the decision the wrong way. If you want something good, put the effort in.

Stop being such a prick, you're forgetting that some people may not have access to a shop that sells monitors. There was only one shop anywhere near me that sold any type of monitors, and they only had one brand (quested).
And saying that reviews mean 'fuck all' is an outright lie.

yeah, and demoing monitors.. what exactly are you gonna hear? what if one monitor colours the bass more than another one, you're going to think it "sounds better" and deviate towards that?

its like derivative said.. as long as you stick to your monitor and learn the way it sounds, and reference pro tracks on it then you will learn to harness its pros/cons

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Originally posted by Aesthetic yeah, and demoing monitors.. what exactly are you gonna hear? what if one monitor colours the bass more than another one, you're going to think it "sounds better" and deviate towards that? its like derivative said.. as long as you stick to your monitor and learn the way it sounds, and reference pro tracks on it then you will learn to harness its pros/cons

Thanks dave, have that 10$ for agreeing with me, so I don't look like a bell-end.

i have the krk rokit 8's.....go with the events

one post wont cut it in your case old Rick

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Originally posted by RickyM Thanks dave, have that 10$ for agreeing with me, so I don't look like a bell-end.

So according to the original post, he's comparing RP5 vs TR8 ? Is it really fair ? He should compare RP8 to TR8. These TR8 are 8inches and pretty powerful.

Anyway, I'm watching the topic. I'm buying my first real monitors within a few days and I'm going in stores to listen to them. The only store in Montreal who carries Event speakers (store is Steve's Music) didn't have the TR6 nor TR8 in stock so I couldn't listen to them. But I'm more thinking about RP6 vs TR6. I listened to the RP6 and I was very impressed, but I'll wait to see what the TR6 delivers. Also, the Yamaha HS50M seems to be a great option. I didn't listen to it yet, and I know that many don't like Yamaha sounds, but it's worth listening to it.

So this weekend, it's Yamaha vs KRK. Then when my TR6 comes in, it's him vs the winner of the weekend haha

I live in an appartment and I don't think it would be great to get a 8inches woofer speaker. Too powerful, too much bass, I'm in a small room. 6 inches will do the trick. And it's less expensive I'd go for the JBL if I had the money...I <3 JBL

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Originally posted by costizzle i have the krk rokit 8's.....go with the events

Really?? I have the Rokit 8's and love them to bits. Although I have zero experience with the Events.

take a listen to the events. their legit

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