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Posted by StanVoid on Dec-28-2007 21:27:

A YouTube guide to Electronic Music

I'm watching this now, but i'm not sure how accurate this really is:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WJnL5tGqJWs

At least the first track he plays is supposed to be "techno" but i always thought techno is harder, faster? Anyway, take a look, see if you agree with this dude. I'd say this is more up to date than Ishkur's guide, albeit not as detailed.


Posted by treeboo on Dec-28-2007 21:39:

God damnit, no ambient, dub, no mention of IDM or anything glitch, no breaks, no trip hop?

Good video though.


Posted by StanVoid on Dec-28-2007 21:41:

quote:
Originally posted by bangoSkank
God damnit, no ambient, dub, no mention of IDM or anything glitch, no breaks, no trip hop?

Good video though.


yeah - i actually stumbled upon this video because i wanted something to clearly explain the distinction between minimal, electro house, deep tribal, whatever else is very popular on TA at the moment. None of that in this video.


Posted by The_G0dfather on Dec-28-2007 21:42:

let us know if you do find it


Posted by StanVoid on Dec-28-2007 21:48:

quote:
Originally posted by The_G0dfather
let us know if you do find it


i know, huh?

does anyone out there have such a video? I see TA's having heated discussions about these genres and accusing one another of calling minimal electro, or calling electro minimal. Personally, I can see myself making these mistakes simply because I really can't tell the damn difference sometimes, even when someone else will swear that it's one genre rather than another. I just get confused because most of the popular genres of electronica now showcase very stripped down tracks. Tracks that don't allow strong melodies or too many (or any) lead instruments. Rather, they rely on endless subtle sounds and random, groovy arrangements of very robot-like basses and noises. hence the derivation of the term of "bleep bloop blop" - not that i support that term

anyway - can someone throw me a friggin bone here?!


Posted by RJT on Dec-28-2007 21:50:

quote:
Originally posted by StanVoid
yeah - i actually stumbled upon this video because i wanted something to clearly explain the distinction between minimal, electro house, deep tribal, whatever else is very popular on TA at the moment. None of that in this video.


I don't seem to recall ever hearing the term "deep tribal."

And as far as anything explaining clear distinctions regarding genre differences, good luck - my guess is you could ask 1000 different people and get 1000 different answers.

Edit: And from your above post, my guess is you're describing "tech house" or "minimal" (at least as those terms are used on here). Far be it from me to say what "is" or "isn't" something - but those seem to me to be the more a-melodic tunes you're describing.


Posted by StanVoid on Dec-28-2007 21:51:

quote:
Originally posted by RJT
I don't seem to recall ever hearing the term "deep tribal."


what if i were to tell you that i just invented it? is that something that you'd be interested in?


Posted by RJT on Dec-28-2007 21:53:

quote:
Originally posted by StanVoid
what if i were to tell you that i just invented it? is that something that you'd be interested in?


I'd certainly look for the link to sign up for your newsletter.


Posted by The_G0dfather on Dec-28-2007 22:02:

Cant really put it into a decent definition, but it seems like minimal isnt that hard to recognize. Any (recent) Richie or Magda set is a perfect illustration (of the genre god himself - Dave Clarke- hates with a passion )


Posted by bubbleguuum on Dec-28-2007 22:05:

Re: A YouTube guide to Electronic Music

quote:
Originally posted by StanVoid
I'm watching this now, but i'm not sure how accurate this really is:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WJnL5tGqJWs

At least the first track he plays is supposed to be "techno" but i always thought techno is harder, faster? Anyway, take a look, see if you agree with this dude. I'd say this is more up to date than Ishkur's guide, albeit not as detailed.



First track is indeed techno, but there's lots of subgenres of techno from slow to fast.


Nice video, with ROTFL text !


Posted by cmay119 on Dec-28-2007 22:08:

If you want to find out more about the sub-genres, unfortunately at this point Ishkur's guide is the only one that is willing to acknowledge them and give audio examples. I say that's unfortunate, because with only one guy putting it together it's not going to be perfect and there is a lot of bias towards/against genres due to Ishkur's personal tastes. It is however the best on the net(that I've found atleast).

This video is good, but you can't expect the guy to be able to cover all the bases in one 10 minute video. He obviousley has a bias towards trance and hardcore so more of those subgenres were included and he left out major genres like: Breaks, IDM, Ambient, ect.


Posted by Jono404 on Dec-28-2007 23:02:

There was an even worse one I saw, by some girl who makes videos of trance 'mixes' which are just minute long snippets of 1999/2000 cheese trance tunes mashed together. It made some ridiculous claim about how techno 'could sound like drum n bass' or something, ummmm yeah except it doesn't have 170bpm breakbeats.


Posted by Gauss on Dec-28-2007 23:05:

Useful video, but yeah, some important genres are missing.

And I really like the sample used for drum'n'bass.


Posted by system9 on Dec-29-2007 01:56:

http://techno.org/electronic-music-guide/

Hopefully this helps, it helped me out a lot to learn to distinguish the differences between genres and sub genres.


Posted by ToxicGreenWaste on Dec-29-2007 02:38:

Impossible to remix pop music into techno? He's never heard of schranz...




Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Dec-29-2007 03:46:

quote:
Originally posted by StanVoid
I see TA's having heated discussions about these genres and accusing one another of calling minimal electro, or calling electro minimal.

People get electro confused with minimal? It seems like people usually get electro confused with "buzzy synth house."


Posted by Jono404 on Dec-29-2007 04:41:

I can get confused between the more sparse end of electrohouse and minimal. The way I see it is minimal is more percussive, but I suck at putting things in genre boxes.


Posted by kadomony on Dec-29-2007 08:31:

you can go on beatport and click the "genres" button.
gives 3 examples under each category.


Posted by RedSquare on Dec-29-2007 16:59:

Re: A YouTube guide to Electronic Music

quote:
Originally posted by StanVoid
I'm watching this now, but i'm not sure how accurate this really is:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WJnL5tGqJWs

At least the first track he plays is supposed to be "techno" but i always thought techno is harder, faster? Anyway, take a look, see if you agree with this dude. I'd say this is more up to date than Ishkur's guide, albeit not as detailed.


Decent video. I'll use it to educate minds of the young.


Posted by Gauss on Dec-29-2007 17:16:

quote:
Originally posted by Jono404
I can get confused between the more sparse end of electrohouse and minimal. The way I see it is minimal is more percussive, but I suck at putting things in genre boxes.

"Electro" house and minimal have absolutely nothing in common except they're both EDM.


Posted by Darkarbiter on Dec-30-2007 03:23:

quote:
Originally posted by Jono404
There was an even worse one I saw, by some girl who makes videos of trance 'mixes' which are just minute long snippets of 1999/2000 cheese trance tunes mashed together. It made some ridiculous claim about how techno 'could sound like drum n bass' or something, ummmm yeah except it doesn't have 170bpm breakbeats.

That has to be the most retarded thing i've heard...

of all genres... TECHNO?

AND DNB WTF?


Posted by Jono404 on Dec-30-2007 03:53:

quote:
Originally posted by Gauss
"Electro" house and minimal have absolutely nothing in common except they're both EDM.


What about someone like say, Marc Houle where would you put him genre wise? Or Booka Shade? I really need to sort my genre knowledge out when it comes to electo, tech and minimal i don't know whats what. I just try and find what's good and what isn't.


Posted by Derivative on Dec-30-2007 07:22:

quote:
Originally posted by Darkarbiter
That has to be the most retarded thing i've heard...

of all genres... TECHNO?

AND DNB WTF?


Oh the retardation goes much much further than that.

Exhibit A:

http://www.xxlmag.com/online/?p=7503


Posted by Taranis on Dec-30-2007 08:39:

Am I the only one who thinks they chose some really, really shitty tracks as an example of each genre?

If someone linked me that to try and educate me, it'd probably just turn me off EDM forever.


Posted by Jake Benson on Dec-31-2007 08:14:

That video is a good starter guide for idiots who still call everything "techno"


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