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I havn't been going out for that long, but it seems like lately, even in the last few months, the more aggresive, and more "serious" drugs at festivals has really been increasing, making the ability to enjoy the music harder for the rest of us-- case in point: kryal, which has now been cancelled because of the drug-rep it got...
Apparently summadayze was over-run by fucked people as well (i heard there were heaps of syringes in the cubicles.... :eyes

thoughts?

There is a definite problem... but i think you will find at times it is over exagerrated...

In saying that Egos, you can go to the pub tonight and see dazza in the corner who is up to his 30th pot and is on his 10th goog for the nite! Not just festivals...

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Originally posted by Paulie In saying that Egos, you can go to the pub tonight and see dazza in the corner who is up to his 30th pot and is on his 10th goog for the nite! Not just festivals...

while i was waiting for vibrasphere at prince, i was in the normal pub section and there were a few guys doing lines in the toilets. you don't see that plastered all over the papers now do you

the syringes were for the roids man

Is it REALLY getting worse, or is it the same as always? I'm not sure.

my first partay was belfast 1999. whilst the use of e and speed has def. become more prevalent, ive noticed an insane increase in the use of K, G and ice. I think cos ALOT more ppl are doin it these days, people feel safer pushing limits and getting more hammered. and man have i seen some busted up units in recent times.

Its a tricky one to answer. Like Walter I have been partying since 99/2000 ish. Somethings I have noticed over the last 7-8 years in terms based on my experiences with friends, etc.
- E and Speed and coke were the drugs of choice back then. And occassionally K but typically this was not by choice for most (eg. Speed/K pills). Then the testers and pillreports were more readily available which help remove some of these for the people that wanted to know what they were getting (to some degree of course)
- Ice and G came on the scene (or became steadily bigger in the scene) and have become more prelevant now and are generally more dangerous, especially G due to the nature of usage. Hence the more serious OD's.
- I have been to Summadayze in the years of 2001-2005 and 2007. The crowds have increased dramatically and the quantity serious OD's has increased probably due to ratio of numbers and higher usage of G/ICE. I saw people being carried out in 2001, and I saw them in 2007. No different. They probably more related to dehydration or mixtures earlier on as apposed to G/ICE which is probably more common in 2007/the last few years. Who knows? How many alcohol related offenses were there on new years? I think there was 520 related arrests in the city for alcohol related offences and violence, was anything mentioned about the amount of people taking to hospital for stomach pumps and OD's on alcohol? I doubt it.
- There was a very interesting 1hr report on the morning Sunday show a couple of months back about the alcohol problem in Australia. Included extensive discussions/interviews with police commissioner, minister for alcohol, minister for illicit drugs, etc (not sure of titles) . It was highlighting how the drug and alcohol department (or whatever the name) acknowledges that alocohol causes something like 100 times (sorry I cant recall figure, but it was massive) the voilence, deaths, abuse, family/financial, health, addiction, etc problems than ALL illicient drugs combined based on comparative ratio (not weight of numbers). They have said they are spending heaps of money on ICE/G campaigns, etc but the alcohol problem is SO much bigger they cant do anything about it because of the culture and MONEY/TAXES generated. I'll try and locate this report, it was very interesting.
- As you've stated above. There is probably an equally amount of drugs at any club/plub than festivals. No one speaks of this on TV. Yet most know it.
- I *tend* to believe that the quality of MDMA in Melbourne in the last few years is not what it used to be. This could be just limited to within my circle of friends/tolerances, etc, I dont know, but this could tempt people into other stronger more dangerous alternatives/mixtures.
- I dont want to be sounding like an advocater (word? spelling?) for drugs by any means. But I think its important not to always believe what you are seeing on TV/media (even the article I saw?) as there are a lot of government influences behind the scenes that you are not seeing. The facts/actuals will probably be impossible to come by.

Hello again,

I have managed to track down the video of the story I watched in September this year. Some of the info/numbers etc I provided above was not accurate so I apologise for this, I might have been mixing this up with a different story I read. See link, there are 2 links to videos on this page, watch 1 then 2.

http://sunday.ninemsn.com.au/sunday...le_2308.asp?s=1

Very interesting...

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Originally posted by CHRONiK Its a tricky one to answer. Like Walter I have been partying since 99/2000 ish. Somethings I have noticed over the last 7-8 years in terms based on my experiences with friends, etc. - E and Speed and coke were the drugs of choice back then. And occassionally K but typically this was not by choice for most (eg. Speed/K pills). Then the testers and pillreports were more readily available which help remove some of these for the people that wanted to know what they were getting (to some degree of course) - Ice and G came on the scene (or became steadily bigger in the scene) and have become more prelevant now and are generally more dangerous, especially G due to the nature of usage. Hence the more serious OD's. - I have been to Summadayze in the years of 2001-2005 and 2007. The crowds have increased dramatically and the quantity serious OD's has increased probably due to ratio of numbers and higher usage of G/ICE. I saw people being carried out in 2001, and I saw them in 2007. No different. They probably more related to dehydration or mixtures earlier on as apposed to G/ICE which is probably more common in 2007/the last few years. Who knows? How many alcohol related offenses were there on new years? I think there was 520 related arrests in the city for alcohol related offences and violence, was anything mentioned about the amount of people taking to hospital for stomach pumps and OD's on alcohol? I doubt it. - There was a very interesting 1hr report on the morning Sunday show a couple of months back about the alcohol problem in Australia. Included extensive discussions/interviews with police commissioner, minister for alcohol, minister for illicit drugs, etc (not sure of titles) . It was highlighting how the drug and alcohol department (or whatever the name) acknowledges that alocohol causes something like 100 times (sorry I cant recall figure, but it was massive) the voilence, deaths, abuse, family/financial, health, addiction, etc problems than ALL illicient drugs combined based on comparative ratio (not weight of numbers). They have said they are spending heaps of money on ICE/G campaigns, etc but the alcohol problem is SO much bigger they cant do anything about it because of the culture and MONEY/TAXES generated. I'll try and locate this report, it was very interesting. - As you've stated above. There is probably an equally amount of drugs at any club/plub than festivals. No one speaks of this on TV. Yet most know it. - I *tend* to believe that the quality of MDMA in Melbourne in the last few years is not what it used to be. This could be just limited to within my circle of friends/tolerances, etc, I dont know, but this could tempt people into other stronger more dangerous alternatives/mixtures. - I dont want to be sounding like an advocater (word? spelling?) for drugs by any means. But I think its important not to always believe what you are seeing on TV/media (even the article I saw?) as there are a lot of government influences behind the scenes that you are not seeing. The facts/actuals will probably be impossible to come by.

Chronik you talk some snese here mate, but lets not take it down the path of Alcohol is more dangerous...Drugs are drugs, and imo are illegal for a reason (addiction, after effects etc)

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Originally posted by Paulie Chronik you talk some snese here mate, but lets not take it down the path of Alcohol is more dangerous...Drugs are drugs, and imo are illegal for a reason (addiction, after effects etc)

Definately agree, dont mean to sound like I am going down the path of 'alcohol itself is more dangerous and should be banned and drugs should be legal'. Not at all. As you've said, these things are illegal for a reason.

I guess I was trying to make a point on the medias representation of dance parties in general is coming across as very negative do to associated drug use. It is not doing the scene much good here (or anywhere for that matter). It is basically ruining it for everyone who doesnt make a mess of themselves.

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Originally posted by Paulie Chronik you talk some snese here mate, but lets not take it down the path of Alcohol is more dangerous...Drugs are drugs, and imo are illegal for a reason (addiction, after effects etc)

i disagree. they're illegal because of political perception, rather than an honest "how harmful are drugs" research effort by those in power. honestly, why in the hell is marijuana illegal? obviously the social/personal/family costs of smoking pot is far less than for alcohol.

a "drug user" is defined as those people i don't know using drugs that i don't like, and this is one way that laws have become established.

PKC why is marajuana illegal? How bout i give you a phone number of a mate, you can talk to him (if he makes sense) then come back to me and tell me why marajuana is illegal.

Social/personal/family costs are far less smoking marajuana? I highly doubt it buddy... A cpl beers a day compared to a cpl joints a day is hell of a difference.

Same could go for anything couldnt it? I could give some numbers of some alco friends of mine in the same situation. Is an alcoholic trashed in the gutter with no money and life of crime any different to a H/ICE junkie doing the same thing?

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Originally posted by Paulie PKC why is marajuana illegal? How bout i give you a phone number of a mate, you can talk to him (if he makes sense) then come back to me and tell me why marajuana is illegal.

right. so coz you cousin vinny smoked a few too many bowls (and couldn't handle it) we should outlaw it? i could point to just as many responsible users of pot, so its really not a proper argument. hell, there are people that should never touch any substance, period. i could point you in the direction of people that had bad experiences with aspirin.

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Originally posted by Paulie Social/personal/family costs are far less smoking marajuana? I highly doubt it buddy... A cpl beers a day compared to a cpl joints a day is hell of a difference.

you can "highly doubt" it all you want. go look up any statistic you choose, and it will display an overwhelming majority of problems caused by alcohol in comparison to marijuana. be it violence, deaths, addiction or causes of motor vehicle accidents. the list goes on.

nobody is saying pot is harmless, but it causes much less public grief than alcohol does, THE WORLD OVER.

meh you can't win lol thats true as well...

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i could point you in the direction of people that had bad experiences with aspirin.

uncontrollable bleeding is a bitch

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Originally posted by narcism uncontrollable bleeding is a bitch

haha! yeah, my sister wont drive if she's had a couple of aspirin.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN haha! yeah, my sister wont drive if she's had a couple of aspirin.

if aspirin is codeword for "being fucked in the ass for the first time" then yes.

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Originally posted by Paulie Chronik you talk some snese here mate, but lets not take it down the path of Alcohol is more dangerous...Drugs are drugs, and imo are illegal for a reason (addiction, after effects etc)

A good friend of mine is works at the drug and alcohol center and he told me that alcohol is the biggest problem in the community not drugs
i also work in a industry where people drink and when they get drunk they turn into rat bags.

legality of a substance means fuck all. ciggies and alcohol are on par or worse than many illegal drugs in terms of harm caused.

weed is not a drug

THC is.

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Originally posted by Fpcookie THC is.

A chemical substance

Correct me if I am wrong here...
Alcohol/Ethanol - Comes from fermented sugars, fruits, yeasts, etc.
Cocaine - Comes from the leaves of the Coca Plant
Marijuanna - Buds on the plant. The plant/buds contain THC.
Opium/Heroin - Comes from poppy flowers.

Obviously there is a little more involved with some of these. But these are the general origins. Heaps of naturally growing things can be classed as drugs. You can buy mushies on the main street of amsterdam over the counter

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