Would like a producers perspective on my work

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Posted by piku303 on Jan-17-2008 04:53:

Would like a producers perspective on my work

just posted up my latest song, happy flange. what do you guys think? any help is much appreciated.

http://www.myspace.com/samlatone

Posted by Elec on Jan-17-2008 06:37:

Happy Flange - Its pretty nice but sounds kind of dry and that bassline gets too repetitive, try not to have it running through out the whole track.

New Beat Demo - Nice, but I'd keep the bass mono.

Water Techno - I like this one alot, reminds me of stuff like Lucio Aquilina - Magic M

Ambient Trance - Reveerb is too bright on the lead for my taste. Also try adding some delay to the synths.

Hardstyle - Sounds nice, but I'm not sure if those 2 synths go well one right after another.

Overall I like your tracks a lot, nice work

Posted by piku303 on Jan-17-2008 16:48:

i think your right on target for my worries with happy flange. what would you recomend to wet it up? i had a hard time finding a solution for a pad that would fit nicely. for new beat - i like the stereo bass because it sounds a little fuller. in mono it feels too dull. thanks for the analysis of all tracks... i was just asking about the first i really like water techno too. i made that song using a recording of water from my sink and pitch shifted and time stretched it way down. the synth is an access virus. the poppy sounds are tuned to the song 808 toms. i dont know what the influence for that song was, i was just feeling really creative. i dont listen to much techno but i might start down that path a little more. oh and the bass kick is sampled from a downtempo aquasky song and equed and other shit a lot. kinda random place to get a kick for a technoish song but i liked it. as for hardstyle and some of the bottom ones, i made that track like 4 years ago haha. ive been done with it for a while. im mostly concerned with the first two as the other songs arent even on my working computer anymore.

thanks a lot for the feed back man

Posted by piku303 on Jan-17-2008 17:14:

checked out this guy Lucio Aquilina guy. that track is pretty sweet. hey im italian too, maybe theres a connection...haha. ive really been considering moving more towards the techno/minimal side of things lately. i think its impossible to achieve the sounds that all the big producers within trance are getting these days without a bunch of studio help and super expensive gear. minimal/techno is more about if you can produce well with what youve got and delves more in to analog style sound design, which i love. i love trance but im friggin tired of trying to make tracks that live up to an ideal set by some rich guy in miami who has his tracks made for him.

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Jan-17-2008 18:49:

quote:
Originally posted by piku303
i think its impossible to achieve the sounds that all the big producers within trance are getting these days without a bunch of studio help and super expensive gear.

You'd be surprised.

Posted by piku303 on Jan-17-2008 20:17:

to me, almost, impossible. i dont have the patience to sit there for days and weeks and years to make my music sound "pro." id rather just make music and hope someday my production skill will catch up.

Posted by music2dance2 on Jan-17-2008 21:01:

quote:
Originally posted by piku303
to me, almost, impossible. i dont have the patience to sit there for days and weeks and years to make my music sound "pro." id rather just make music and hope someday my production skill will catch up.

If you dont have patience you probably wont last too long. You can create any sound you like. No two synths will sound identical but you can create very similar results.

As you say you dont mind making music, and hope you improve, well you will probably create your own sound along the way, and wont need to replicate the big producer sounds. After all, its all good making a track sound like a tiesto track but its wont stand out as much as a fesh new sound.

That said if you have your own sound you dont have to waste time copying another, as you probably know it can be time consuming trying to replicate a sound you've heard somewhere else. Although i'm not saying replicating sounds is wrong in anyway niether

Posted by Elec on Jan-17-2008 22:06:

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i think its impossible to achieve the sounds that all the big producers within trance are getting these days without a bunch of studio help and super expensive gear.

I think its quite the opposite now as opposed to a few years ago.

Posted by piku303 on Jan-17-2008 22:28:

i can make sounds i like. if i hear a sound in my head i can create it. id say the sound design i do know is my strong point. 4 years of twistin knobs. that being said its obvious that most of my synths sound basic. thats cause i normally like to get in to the music aspect and not spend days trying to perfect my bass, lead, or whatever patch. all the synths from every song on my myspace page started out with the silly init patch. to me my music sounds good, but compared to the "pro" standard they arent up to par...yet. after examining the first track on my myspace, what would you say it lacks as far as production? keep in mind uploading to myspace kills the highs so its a bit muddier than it really is.

thanks for the feedback so far guys!

Posted by Elec on Jan-17-2008 22:55:

Posted by piku303 on Jan-17-2008 23:06:

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there ya go

Posted by Elec on Jan-18-2008 00:23:

I dont really like how the bassline suonds overall. Its kind of dry and thin, little impact. Does it have a lot of chorus on it?
Also try to add some more interesting transitions.

How about a midi

Posted by mysticalninja on Jan-18-2008 02:05:

quote:
Originally posted by piku303
i can make sounds i like. if i hear a sound in my head i can create it. id say the sound design i do know is my strong point. 4 years of twistin knobs. that being said its obvious that most of my synths sound basic. thats cause i normally like to get in to the music aspect and not spend days trying to perfect my bass, lead, or whatever patch. all the synths from every song on my myspace page started out with the silly init patch. to me my music sounds good, but compared to the "pro" standard they arent up to par...yet. after examining the first track on my myspace, what would you say it lacks as far as production? keep in mind uploading to myspace kills the highs so its a bit muddier than it really is.

thanks for the feedback so far guys!

creating patches doesnt take days. you're just slow. lern2program and lern2engineer.. you're probably just in the experimentation/learning phase still.. like someone said.. it's just the oposite these days you need expensive gear less and less. id say half the problem is your choice of samples/processing done to them..

for the first song.. id say the kick is lacking some 12+khz.. alittle too much 1-2khz and overall doesnt slap enough

the bass.. try some stereo enhancing on it, but leave under 300hz mono... same with the kick.. the kick is the most important part, if it sounds crap and old school, your whole track will. also one of your open hihats makes it sound pretty old school.

hoping wont make your engineering skills level up. you need to train them.

Posted by piku303 on Jan-18-2008 03:34:

quote:
Originally posted by Elec
I dont really like how the bassline suonds overall. Its kind of dry and thin, little impact. Does it have a lot of chorus on it?
Also try to add some more interesting transitions.

How about a midi

i did eq the low range quite a bit. the system im using to moniter is a home stereo (ugh!). the bass is really heavy so my mixes tend to be bass weak cause i never know if its too much bass. what if i took the eq off the low end of the bass and resent it to you? it might give it some more punch. there no chorus on the bass at all. its a logic 7 es2, using three square osc. one osc is an octave higher than the two lower ones to give some more definition. cutoff highish. thats all. then its just side chained to the kick.

when you mean transitions you mean with the bass or with the song?

and as for the midi...cant you just listen to it to rip it off? haha jk. its pretty simple two quarter notes are the first da da and then the third is on the upbeat after the 4th kick in the bar. do you run logic? i could give you the project file.

Posted by piku303 on Jan-18-2008 03:37:

quote:
Originally posted by mysticalninja
creating patches doesnt take days. you're just slow. lern2program and lern2engineer.. you're probably just in the experimentation/learning phase still.. like someone said.. it's just the oposite these days you need expensive gear less and less. id say half the problem is your choice of samples/processing done to them..

for the first song.. id say the kick is lacking some 12+khz.. alittle too much 1-2khz and overall doesnt slap enough

the bass.. try some stereo enhancing on it, but leave under 300hz mono... same with the kick.. the kick is the most important part, if it sounds crap and old school, your whole track will. also one of your open hihats makes it sound pretty old school.

hoping wont make your engineering skills level up. you need to train them.

what would you say is wrong with the samples and processing? poor samples? to much comp , not enough....

ill try what you said for the kick. but you say to stereo enhance the kick??

i agree the offbeat 909 hat sounds oldschool.

aside from the kick/bass/oldschool hat issue, what else do you think?