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http://bringthebeats.com/2008/01/17/the-scene-2007-review-btb-style/

This seems a little......uuhhhhhhh.....politically motivated.

The bias here is blatantly clear.

It's tough to respect opinions, reviews, and overall credibility when the bias is so clear.

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Originally posted by slingshot It's tough to respect opinions, reviews, and overall credibility when the bias is so clear.

+1

The whole Guvernment bashing thing really put the icing on the cake for me. I did not read much further past that.

Tough crowd...

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Originally posted by slingshot This seems a little......uuhhhhhhh.....politically motivated. The bias here is blatantly clear. It's tough to respect opinions, reviews, and overall credibility when the bias is so clear.

Welcome to the real world. lol

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Originally posted by slingshot This seems a little......uuhhhhhhh.....politically motivated. The bias here is blatantly clear. It's tough to respect opinions, reviews, and overall credibility when the bias is so clear.

Of course it's biased. Like everyone here, he's entitled to his opinion and is expressing it. If I commented everytime I found my respect for someone's opinion lacking, I'd be the biggest post whore in the place.

Guv bashing aside, BTB had a pretty great year and put on some amazing events. I have no problem with Gregor posting his personal review and congratulate him on the successful year.

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gregor, I've got lots of respect for you and I think you're a genuinely nice guy and wish you nothing but the best.. but that post was seriously lame.

If you can't handle the business side of the scene, then maybe you shouldn't be involved in it? just a thought...

Politics are not exclusive to Toronto and are not exclusive to the nightclub industry. This is a legitimate INDUSTRY and no one pursues a career or makes and investment in any industry in order to "nurture their underground spirit". They do it to make money. It's a business! hating someone for running a business like a business is stupid. You might as well also get your hate on for Mod Club, The Docks and Luke Fair for profiting from this industry as well.

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Originally posted by activate that post was seriously lame.

It wasn't a post specific to TA/message boards.

It was a review done for bringthebeats.

http://bringthebeats.com/2008/01/17...view-btb-style/

big ups to the exposed. i went to mod club only once but it was awesome. in this time when everybody and their mother is spinning electro-ish shit it was really refreshing to hear some good old floor ripping prog. it may sound weird but it truly was a unique night.

keep up the good work !!

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Originally posted by activate gregor, I've got lots of respect for you and I think you're a genuinely nice guy and wish you nothing but the best.. but that post was seriously lame. If you can't handle the business side of the scene, then maybe you shouldn't be involved in it? just a thought... Politics are not exclusive to Toronto and are not exclusive to the nightclub industry. This is a legitimate INDUSTRY and no one pursues a career or makes and investment in any industry in order to "nurture their underground spirit". They do it to make money. It's a business! hating someone for running a business like a business is stupid. You might as well also get your hate on for Mod Club, The Docks and Luke Fair for profiting from this industry as well.

"It's a business" is such a fucking copout.

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Originally posted by jennypie "It's a business" is such a fucking copout.

but that's exactly what it is. They're in it to profit and protect their investment. same way every other club in the world is.

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Originally posted by activate but that's exactly what it is. They're in it to profit and protect their investment. same way every other club in the world is.

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Originally posted by activate gregor, I've got lots of respect for you and I think you're a genuinely nice guy and wish you nothing but the best.. but that post was seriously lame. If you can't handle the business side of the scene, then maybe you shouldn't be involved in it? just a thought... Politics are not exclusive to Toronto and are not exclusive to the nightclub industry. This is a legitimate INDUSTRY and no one pursues a career or makes and investment in any industry in order to "nurture their underground spirit". They do it to make money. It's a business! hating someone for running a business like a business is stupid. You might as well also get your hate on for Mod Club, The Docks and Luke Fair for trying to profit to.

Do you seriously think that he doesn't understand that he is operating in a highly competitive industry? Ha. Laughable.

I dunno, but maybe the review -- including the somewhat harsh and controversial part about Guv -- was a fairly aggressive competitive response/tactic to address some of the more troublesome practices that are impacting his business AND many DJs in the industry (i.e. artist contracts/booking clauses).

Think about it.

What is he supposed to do? Just continue to smile, bend over, and bite down on the belt?

Whatever.

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Originally posted by SuperJimbo I dunno, but maybe the review -- including the somewhat harsh and controversial part about Guv -- was a fairly aggressive competitive response/tactic to address some of the more troublesome practices that are impacting his business AND many DJs in the industry (i.e. artist contracts/booking clauses). Think about it. What is he supposed to do? Just continue to smile, bend over, and bite down on the belt?

I'm not going to get into an internet fight with anyone.

I understand his frustrations. I've been cock blocked many times. it happens. It's part of the business and I'm sure is not personal and done out of spite.


I still think gregor's is stand up guy and I look forward to bumping into him soon. I don't hold his opinion against him, but I still think airing your dirty laundry is lame and his post was lame. hopefully he doesn't hold my opinion against me.

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Originally posted by activate I'm not going to get into an internet fight with anyone. I understand his frustrations. I've been cock blocked many times. it happens. It's part of the business and I'm sure is not personal and done out of spite. I still think gregor's is stand up guy and I look forward to bumping into him soon. I don't hold his opinion against him, but I still think airing your dirty laundry is lame and his post was lame. hopefully he doesn't hold my opinion against me.

I hear you man, but I think it is lame that you get cock blocked, and feel that you can't do anything about it. You just accept it. Gregor may be more of an ally than you think.

"It's not personal"? Maybe not to you, but it is to a lot of other artists who want to play in this city. This includes several of the DJs that are part of the Borg/Guv Collective, but are handcuffed, as well as countless other talented DJs that are on the outside looking in.

Finally, I find it amusing that the guys at guv are allowed to "compete" using whatever tactics they want, as long as they are quiet about it, but you expect guys like Gregor to "play nice". Interesting perspective.


P.S. I'm not sure why Gregor felt compelled to rip on Moby. What did he do to hurt anybody?!?!!? Bizarre. lol

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Originally posted by Exposed The Scene: 2007 review | btb style The entire Guvy main floor cleared, leaving Danny a virtually empty room to wrap up his set. The sheer horror of it all brought me into the other room to see if this blatant disrespect of a proper DJ was just; and as expected, it wasn�t. Moby�s complete lack of any DJ skill and preparation made me shiver. To make matters worse, the entire room was eating it up� it was terrible.

Ummm, I don't know what party you were at, but I highly enjoyed Moby's set.

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We searched the complex for something more our style but Ali was playing extremely dark tech and though MSTRKFT blazed The Drink for a while, everything else was cheesy and / or overly dirty. There was no doubt, this was the last time we�d ever set foot in the Guvernment or any other event produced by this team.

Again, I don't know what party you were at. It was kind of a "meh" event, but you make it sound like the worse party ever

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...they�ve taken the Toronto clubbing community from being cool, fresh and forward thinking, to commercial, shallow and unworthy of any respect or accolades from the global industry.

What are you talking about? Toronto has an amazing scene. We have everything from big, all access Guv parties, to niche DJs from almost any genre you can think of. Not only that, Toronto has a great crowd that is usually up for it.

You speak of Toronto's crowd being "commercial", and I see where you're going with that. In the last year or two, there have been a lot of new partiers entering the scene who don't really know much about it. Calling this phenomenon "commercial" gives what is happening a negative connotation. I in fact think that this new influx of partiers is really positive, and what this scene needs.

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Sean Miller - Sunset Sessions - September 2, 2007 Thankfully, the end of the second quarter produced the beginning of a more positive initiative. �Sunset Sessions� at The Next Level offered a weekend alternative to those who didn�t want to spend the spring and summer in the darkness of a nightclub. The Sunday evening parties went off extremely well all season, with my personal highlight being Sean Miller�s performance on Labour Day. This promo released later in the year represents Sean�s maturation as a DJ and artist. He�s progressing in all the rights areas and at Sunset Sessions, it was all on display.

I'm sorry, but after going on a rant about how commercial Guv is, this last bit comes off as a bit hypocritical. You're trying to tell me that The Docks is underground? Yea right! If anything, The Docks was MORE commercial than The Guv. That said, any time I went to The Docks on Sunday, I had a great time. But there's something a little bit wrong with your argument if you bash Guv for being commercial, and then hype up The Docks.

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Back home, Demi�s boat cruise...and the after, after, after party at Club 1000

WTF? Why did I not know about this? I was at both the cruise and Paeez which were both amazing. However, when I got to Paeez, it shut down only 45 minutes after I got there. I wish I had gone to the after, after, after party.

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a group of internet geek chin strokers sometimes perceive Ricky�s intentions in a negative fashion.

Isn't it a bit ironic that the author of this post is clearly making a jab at message board users in an article posted on a message board?



This "review" gets a big WTF from me.

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Originally posted by The Highroller Toronto has an amazing scene. We have everything from big, all access Guv parties, to niche DJs from almost any genre you can think of. Not only that, Toronto has a great crowd that is usually up for it.

I totally agree with this. And while not everyone may agree with some of the Guv practices, they have to be given credit for the development of this scene in TO. Footwork, CZ, TiL, Hotel, all have Guv support, as far as I am aware, and these clubs are certainly important contributers to the "underground"...

found that quite unprofessional

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funny...that Luke is always 'represented'. where is HE or has been EVER for his own opinion?

Hi Gregor!! sorry...but does Luke not have his own brain to rep, respond or t a l k?

again sorry...i know how much time, effort, personal time and friendship you've put into this over the years, but i had to stop reading after the first few lines...

Luke's done astronomically well...he is phenomenal for TO talent - indeed internationally! to this day one of my favourites. yes, we all know it's a tough business...but taking it all into consideration, paying respect and putting everything into perspective, he has done and is doing really well! Kudos to you, LUKE - and Gregor, regardless!

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Originally posted by Exposed The Scene: 2007 review | btb style

For those not willing to read the whole thing, let me give you a quick synopsis�

Everything Gregor was involved in, was gold. Everything else was shit. The End.

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Originally posted by Exposed I�m speaking solely for myself, but these guys have done nothing to nurture the underground spirit of the club scene.

What a fucking joke comment to make...

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Originally posted by Exposed Moby�s complete lack of any DJ skill

How bitter do you have to be to actually hate on Moby? lol Although I'm sure if Moby had played Mod Club he'd have been "quite possibly the best dj to ever play anywhere in the world that year" lol

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Originally posted by EvilTree

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