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Posted by Dmatrox on May-05-2002 21:53:

CD versus Vinyl

I just got a Pioneer CDJ100s for rent from a store here, i tried it out with my 2Tech1200s and Vestaxpmc270a. Ive got to say the effects on the PIoneer are kinda cool when you first get to use it, but gets to be overused when you play too much with it . Anyways, i found that its a little difficult playing with CDs, since ive been playing with vinyl for 2 years, it feels more comfortable and i can mix well with turntables,

however when i tried to mix with the CD mixer, my beats are slightly off. I noticed that the PIoneer CDj100s only go to the tenth decimal point for pitch (like 2.4 or 3.6), its kinda annoying because i found a few tracks that were somewhere between 0.4 and 0.3 pitch, and i couldnt nail the bpm. Ya, so does anyone have any experience from this pioneer pitch problem?

Ya so anyways, i like vinyl better , althought the good points of cd player is that you can play burned cds.

sigh

(wow my useless ranting)

Posted by Eugene on May-05-2002 21:57:

I, too, like vinyl better.

Of course, you can play burned CD's, but will you respect yourself as a DJ if you do that and compromise on sound quality?

Posted by Andrew K on May-05-2002 22:29:

vinyls for ever and ever

Posted by Dmatrox on May-06-2002 01:46:

the reason why im getting cd players is because 1) i have to play for my grad (like, not trance music), and 2)i might as well use cd players since clubs have em

Posted by oDrori on May-06-2002 13:24:

I think the best is to use both. ANyways, for the pitch problem, the common way to solve it is simply listen carefully till the beats slip away then quickly fixing it before the crowd notices. Sorry, no way to get an exact pitch...

Except, and not enuff ppl do this, is to change the already playing track's pitch by 0.1, 0.2 etc. then you can probably nail the right pitch with the other one.

Posted by Psylence on May-06-2002 13:45:

CDs!

Seriously, I love my cdj1000's. You couldn't pry them away from me, not for any amount of cash and stacks of vinyl. Easier to use than analog turntables, and when you actually get *good* you have way more features and options to exploit.

Vinyls for ever and ever? How long do you guys really think that vinyl will dominate the industry? *Nothing* lasts forever. The only thing that will keep vinyl as the dominant media is the whole "image" thing...

Posted by Eugene on May-06-2002 14:22:

Posted by Psylence on May-06-2002 15:49:

Availability of music has more to do with ones personal convictions than which media it's originally released on

But I digress. I'll be acquiring a record player soon, but one with an optical out for making those perfect digital rips off of good vinyl..

Posted by Eugene on May-06-2002 16:29:

quote:
Originally posted by Psylence
Availability of music has more to do with ones personal convictions than which media it's originally released on

... which is my point, that MP3 is a lossy format and you'll be compromising the sound quality when you burn MP3 CD's. If that's the direction you want to go in, then why do you need any kind of equipment at all, you can just mix MP3's on a computer. No self-respecting DJ would do that, in my opinion, because the quality is of utmost importance.

And if you don't encode into MP3 but rather deal directly with WAV, you'll still have to access to all the original vinyl in order to rip the music into WAV. You'll still have to buy the vinyl or borrow it from someone, but you'll be dealing with vinyl -- that's the point. It's silly to waste time and money getting the vinyl only to use it for conversion purposes.

Either way, vinyl is the preferred choice for Trance. This is what I think.

Posted by Tony Morello on May-06-2002 17:31:

if the pitch thing is your only problem, then just adjust the pitch on the other deck, where i'm assuming you're playing vinyl.
if not, then a quick little adjustment here and there during the mix won't hurt anyone

Posted by Psylence on May-06-2002 17:36:

I agree 100% with the sound quality issue.. Done right, vinyl sounds great; mp3's can leave a bit to be desired in the sound department. As more of a hobbyist that a professional at this, the cdj's suit me way better.. and mixing on the pc didn't interest me in the least bit. I spend all day on computers, and needed a hobby that was more hands on
If I were looking to be a real DJ, I would most definitely have begun with vinyl.. but I have no apsirations beyond entertaining myself and my friends. As far as using the vinyl to convert, maybe I'm strange, but I'd rather just archive the vinyl and use the cdj's exclusively. That way the records stay in shape, and I can use the more user friendly cdj's

Posted by Dmatrox on May-06-2002 20:36:

Are there any CD decks that are more accurate with the pitch? because the pitch is very important, and the effects dont really matter to me. The jog dial is pretty good though. I like vinyl way better. There is more control, just drop the needle on the spot and cue up.

Posted by DJ TranceFormer on May-06-2002 21:54:

quote:
Originally posted by Psylence
CDs!

Seriously, I love my cdj1000's. You couldn't pry them away from me, not for any amount of cash and stacks of vinyl. Easier to use than analog turntables, and when you actually get *good* you have way more features and options to exploit.

Vinyls for ever and ever? How long do you guys really think that vinyl will dominate the industry? *Nothing* lasts forever. The only thing that will keep vinyl as the dominant media is the whole "image" thing...

FUNNY MOFO!!!
OK, let's start a lecture:
1. Do you see all of the pro DJs use CDs alot? NO!!! Everybody uses VINYL, you know the black(usually) round 12" thing with grooves on it?
2. If the vinyl production will stop, then how to fuck do you think you will be able to burn your cheap ass CDs?
3. Go to a record store and look at how much vinyl they got there and how many CDs, why tu fuck do you think they are called RECORD stores, not CD stores!
4. You are just one of those stupid kids who can't even tell the difference between CD sound quality and vinyl. Also all that scratching and everythign else WILL NEVER be the same as it will be on tables cuz it's reached DIGITALLY!

Anyway, you are gonna get flamed for that comment of yours. Next time you better think before you write something.

Posted by Eugene on May-07-2002 00:08:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ TranceFormer

FUNNY MOFO!!!
OK, let's start a lecture:
1. Do you see all of the pro DJs use CDs alot? NO!!! Everybody uses VINYL, you know the black(usually) round 12" thing with grooves on it?
2. If the vinyl production will stop, then how to fuck do you think you will be able to burn your cheap ass CDs?
3. Go to a record store and look at how much vinyl they got there and how many CDs, why tu fuck do you think they are called RECORD stores, not CD stores!
4. You are just one of those stupid kids who can't even tell the difference between CD sound quality and vinyl. Also all that scratching and everythign else WILL NEVER be the same as it will be on tables cuz it's reached DIGITALLY!

Anyway, you are gonna get flamed for that comment of yours. Next time you better think before you write something.

dude, that was uncalled for.
I suggest you grow up before you start throwing "fucks" around like you did in your post.

Although I agree that, in general, the vinyl culture is more exciting (and suitable for Trance), there are very good reasons why someone would prefer CD's over vinyl, and did you even bother reading what that guy wrote?

For his purposes, CD's may be a better choice, that's what he has decided for himself, and we should respect that.

Posted by Dmatrox on May-07-2002 00:08:

whoa chill transformer

most of us love vinyl, but sometimes there are tracks that you cant get on vinyl either. I tried getting Bullet in a Gun on vinyl, but its only on CD now.

Posted by DJ TranceFormer on May-07-2002 00:22:

naw, i'm not saying that CDs are bad, but it's just messed up when ppl start saying that vinyl will be sort of "out of style" sooner or later, ofcourse CDJs are fun, but for me it's only the fx part...
Yea, they are good for like tracks that are out of print, but not for everyday use, atleast not for me...

Posted by Scottaculous on May-08-2002 05:16:

I use both and then some.

I like vinyl for the feel and control over them. I own Pioneer CMX-3000's and not the CDJ-1000s so I get less control. Vinyl has a nice warmer sound because the frequencies go beyond 20-20kHz (audible level and the frequency at which most cd players broadcast at). That gives vinyl a "warmer" feel to the bass. New cd players like the cmx-3000 goes beyond that but a lot of cds and mp3s are kept at the 20-20khz range. Vinyls are a pisser to maintain. I can't tell you how many vinyls I have scratched. I usually buy 2 copies per vinyl.

I like cds because I can take a song, rework and remix it, add effects and samples, burn it back onto cd and spin it the same night. A lot of my new new music is on CDs. An cds are cheaper than buying vinyl. On a side note, when you spin professinally, you better own all your music b/c if you get auditted and is caught spinning cds from mp3s there will be a problem.

A few times I've even used my notebook to spin.

At the end, in a course of a 3 hour set, I would spin 70% vinyl and 30% cd. For me it's not about which is better. It's about using all my tools with my limited resources.

As for mp3s, mp3s is a legacy technology by many standards. There are much better compression formats out there like OGG that rely more on processing and offers small files and better quality files. As better formats come out that captures all the subtlties of analog music, vinyls will disappear.

Well I'm off to bed! I ramble too much.

Posted by nils on May-08-2002 06:42:

spin on vinyl, effects & own made stuff on CD.

Posted by Scorchio on May-08-2002 11:53:

About the pitch...
Use master tempo
that way you can change the pitch without the change in the pace, sometimes it helps...

Posted by DJ TranceFormer on May-08-2002 20:21:

Just use the jog wheel, move it forward a little bit...

Posted by JohnSmith on May-09-2002 00:01:

Posted by Dmatrox on May-09-2002 00:41:

quote:
Originally posted by Scottaculous

On a side note, when you spin professinally, you better own all your music b/c if you get auditted and is caught spinning cds from mp3s there will be a problem.

If i dont spin professionally, but im supposed to spin for my grad, so its okay to have burned cds then??

Posted by oceanlab on May-10-2002 18:27:

hey russian transformer dude...a lot of pros do use cds...pvd, infected mushroom, among other who DO USE CDS...maybe they just dont do that in moscow...peace and love buddy...why are u getting so agitated

Posted by Acid Circus on May-10-2002 19:29:

I can't believe so many DJ's on this board are so old fashioned!

Scratching with CD's, have you even watched the demo on the pioneer web site? That seems like proper scratching to me and all on CD Decks! Pitch control, just make changes, I can guarantee that you never go through a set and not make corrections with your vinyl, all the best DJ's are there because they can detect slipping beats way before anyone else and make the required adjustment!

Yes burning MP3's onto a CD will lose sound quality, which is a big factor in the reason why I rarely use CD's, but with the arrival of the new Pioneer CD decks I feel more comfortable about using them, the control seems more natural.

But a DJ should be able to cater for an situation, what happens if one or both of your vinyl decks are damaged? End of set for the 100% vinyl guys. Not so for someone who can interchange vinyl with CD.

I'm fed up of the macho "I use vinyl therefore I am good" crap that DJ's use, it doesn't matter how you get the end product, what matters is that you get the end product. And before anone attempts to flame me I am primarily a vinyl based DJ, but one who is open to new advancements!

Posted by gho on May-10-2002 22:09:

Do any of you guys know a site where the sound quality is fully explained? I have read something that the cds only reach the frequency of 30000 hertz and vinyl goes beyond and although we only listen till 20000, the higher frequencies influence the lower ones. But I don�t really know if that�s right. If not, please how does that loss occur???? Am I missing out a lot? (because I only listen to cds music)? Also, I think I will never be able to really tell the difference live because most clubs are so noisy with sound other than the music that it gets impossible to distinguish any details in the music.

And, I have to defend cds a little because it is really dificult to develop Trance and get it played in places like Brazil if we have to import and pay a lot for every vinyl. The prices here are very high and if we really want to play we have to start low.

The sound quality may not even matter a lot in the future since sony wants us to start using a new format of audio (SACD Super Audio CD I think) that comes in a cd disc form that plays with an awesome quality. The pitch problems are more than solve in the CDJ-1000 or that new one that was released just a while ago by Pioneer. If they merge both techs I don�t really see why we need to continue to pay so much for music, but of course I am willing to take advice for more experienced DJs than me.

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