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heads up for audiofire owners - firewire cards

if you're having trouble finding a texas instruments firewire card, or want to be pedantic like me and get a chipset specifically recommended by echo, get one of these belkin cards:

Part # F5U502
http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProd...oduct_Id=144780

although they are not texas instruments, they use an agere chipset (FW323-05) which is specifically recommended by echo on their website. these cards are very cheap and you should be able to get one anywhere. the best part is that they have a 4 pin power supply connector. this means you can also bus power your audiofire, rather than having to use the power adapter.

since i started using this card, a few of my random cubase errors have dissapeared. no complaints here! you may find the port closest to the pci slot will have a bit of noise on it though. this is typical belkin quality control haha... just use the port furthest from the edge.

for audiofire 12 you should consider firewire 800 / 1394b - card for better latency. 800mb/s instead of normal 400mb/s

Sunsway/ST Lab PCI FireWire800 2+1P, 2x 9-pin (1394b), 1x 6-pin (1394a)

about 40EUR

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Originally posted by palm for audiofire 12 you should consider firewire 800 / 1394b - card for better latency. 800mb/s instead of normal 400mb/s Sunsway/ST Lab PCI FireWire800 2+1P, 2x 9-pin (1394b), 1x 6-pin (1394a) about 40EUR

But the AudioFire interfaces are all 1394a (400MB/s). It would be pointless.

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Originally posted by palm for audiofire 12 you should consider firewire 800 / 1394b - card for better latency. 800mb/s instead of normal 400mb/s Sunsway/ST Lab PCI FireWire800 2+1P, 2x 9-pin (1394b), 1x 6-pin (1394a) about 40EUR

bandwidth isn't necessarily linked to latency
dunno where you got that info from palm!

also, i would be careful with ST lab cards. all the ones i have seen use the same controller as my motherboard (via vt3036). this chipset is specifically blacklisted by echo. could be why you often have probs?

I brought that exact card - only problem is I cant get it to work with the Echo4.

However my PC comes with the exact VIA chip that apparently doesn't work - well guess where my Audiofire is plugged in!!!

It could be because I have a good quality mobo from MSI rather than a Dell type generic one. Both IEEE1394 controllers are using IRQ19 but it doesn't appear to be be causing a conflict so I thought it would be best to leave things as they are

i just assumed that if you can get more data into the computer faster it would affect latency (if your computer can handle it that is of course) but i might be wrong. it seems logical to me tho.

when it comes to 1394b im almost 100% positive that i red that somewhere before buying it but i see now that its not on their website to i dont know anymore.

the st-lab card is not what making my problems anyway caus the soundcard is one thing in my setup that I never had any problems with.

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Originally posted by palm i just assumed that if you can get more data into the computer faster it would affect latency (if your computer can handle it that is of course) but i might be wrong. it seems logical to me tho.

No it doesn't.
If there were to be a bottleneck somewhere it would be in the PCI bus. A 1394b PCI card wouldn't solve that, but a 1394a PCIexpress card might.

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Originally posted by palm the st-lab card is not what making my problems anyway caus the soundcard is one thing in my setup that I never had any problems with.

random program crashes etc. are all often caused by the stability of the asio driver. hence, although it SOUNDS fine, the firewire card might be spitting all kinds of shit data to the driver. in my case, the cubase pool window couldn't engage the driver properly, so i couldn't use sample audition. it also obviously wouldn't release the driver properly, as i consistently got errors when quitting.

hmm maybe i should check out the other card then. thanks for the advice

last night i really started with synth. i got a supersaw(ish) lead and when played at the same time as the bass the sound crackles... im assuming this is cause i dont have a good sound card? is this right? if so iam going to check my slots in my pc to make sure a firewire card will fit and get the audiofire 4

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Originally posted by rubez last night i really started with synth. i got a supersaw(ish) lead and when played at the same time as the bass the sound crackles... im assuming this is cause i dont have a good sound card? is this right? if so iam going to check my slots in my pc to make sure a firewire card will fit and get the audiofire 4

It sounds like your CPU is maxing out. Check the CPU meter of your sequencer. Crackling doesn't always mean it's the sound cards fault.

dont think its the cpu.

i have a p4 3ghz and 2gb of ram. do u think it is? (ill check cpu when im home)

im using the built in sound on the motherboard...

cpu load is at 30 when bass and synth running together. thats means its ok? and i need a decent sound card?

Sounds like a buffersize/latency problem. Exactly what a better card should solve .

cheers, does it need to be firewire? or can i get an internal one?

id rather have internal, as i would have to buy a firewire card any way, though i worry that it may be too bulky to snap in next to the slot next to it.. i only have 2 pci slots (1 used for network card), 1 pci-e x16 which is used for graphics and in between them 3 smaller pci-e x1 slots

do u think there would be an issue fitting an internal card in?
and are they as good as firewire ones?

what about M-Audio Delta 1010LT

http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/page/...product_id/1161

is this any good or should i go for another type? thanks for any help!

i used to have m-audio audiophile 2496 caus it followed in a reason 2.5 bundle and midikeyboard, it was ok but nothing i would recommend after i did the change for external. but better ALOT than those included on mobos imo.

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Originally posted by rubez cheers, does it need to be firewire? or can i get an internal one? id rather have internal, as i would have to buy a firewire card any way, though i worry that it may be too bulky to snap in next to the slot next to it.. i only have 2 pci slots (1 used for network card), 1 pci-e x16 which is used for graphics and in between them 3 smaller pci-e x1 slots do u think there would be an issue fitting an internal card in? and are they as good as firewire ones? what about M-Audio Delta 1010LT http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/page/...product_id/1161 is this any good or should i go for another type? thanks for any help!

go external...in the long run its for the better so you dont gotta be always reachin back there to mess with the cables. a firewire card is jsut as big as a network card, no bigger. so it should fit jsut fine.

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