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A world without tact.

The drama threads got me thinking...


Would you be the same person in a world without tact? I'm thinking along the lines of an action vs. intent kind of debate; the bigger question being: how innate is tact? It can obviously be learned...but even further to all this, is someone who is more innately tactful a "better" or "more good" person than a person who had to learn tact?

I think this is a moral question. I apologize if it's inarticulate or confusing, I've been drinking, lolololol.

I know I wouldn't. Your environment has quite a large effect on shaping your character, and a world without tact would be quite different from the world we live in now, thus I'm going to be different also.

LoL...ok well how about less literally and more philosophically?

once a thief....

in other words, i think i'd always be the same. if i was a better OR worst person i wouldnt be me, and i like me, and lots of people like me so....

what????

lol

love you miss pie

Haha, you have a heart of gold, Miki.

tact? what's that?

i'm so clueless

*punches Yohan in the balls*

thanks miss pie

tho, i wish i had balls of gold.

or at least a personat TRANSFORMER. THAT EVIL LOOKING ONE

OOOOOOH

LOL


Man, if you had balls of gold, I could punch you numerous times in the crotch and it would be fun for both of us!

im offended now.

we can still do it and we'll both have fun (im dirty perv)


:hell:

p.s. hijacking threads circa '63

im just wondering what will tota police think about this???

lol

Psh, my thread, my rules.

i dont like your attitude. dont make me punch you in the baby maker.

p.s. "hotter than a bowl of fuck"

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Originally posted by jennypie The drama threads got me thinking... Would you be the same person in a world without tact? I'm thinking along the lines of an action vs. intent kind of debate; the bigger question being: how innate is tact? It can obviously be learned...but even further to all this, is someone who is more innately tactful a "better" or "more good" person than a person who had to learn tact? I think this is a moral question. I apologize if it's inarticulate or confusing, I've been drinking, lolololol.

Tact. Manners. Etiquette. Social conventions...hell, even morality. It's ALL learnt, taught or absorbed as a part of the human experience. None of it is innate. Human childern aren't born with the knowledege that pooping in public is wrong. Which is why they have to be potty trained. These are modifications we make / are forced to make to our behaviour because large segments of society deem it's 'the right way to behave'. Having tact doesn't really make us 'better' or 'more good' because these words are relative concepts used to judge another person, and the person(s) judging are relying on a singular perspective. One, which seeks to standardize, temper and regulate our behavior.

Personally, I believe in two fundamental models of morality as outlined by Nietzsche in "Beyond Good and Evil" and "Genealogy of Morals". Man created morality - Just like Man created the concept of God. It's all part of mankinds attempt to distance himself from the fact we are all animals.

Probably not the response / discussion the drunken threadstarter wanted, but there it is nonetheless.

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Originally posted by Kytracid Tact. Manners. Etiquette. Social conventions...hell, even morality. It's ALL learnt, taught or absorbed as a part of the human experience. None of it is innate. Human childern aren't born with the knowledege that pooping in public is wrong. Which is why they have to be potty trained. These are modifications we make / are forced to make to our behaviour because large segments of society deem it's 'the right way to behave'. Having tact doesn't really make us 'better' or 'more good' because these words are relative concepts used to judge another person, and the person(s) judging are relying on a singular perspective. One, which seeks to standardize, temper and regulate our behavior. Personally, I believe in two fundamental models of morality as outlined by Nietzsche in "Beyond Good and Evil" and "Genealogy of Morals". Man created morality - Just like Man created the concept of God. It's all part of mankinds attempt to distance himself from the fact we are all animals. Probably not the response / discussion the drunken threadstarter wanted, but there it is nonetheless.

good to know you're well brother !

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Originally posted by Xavier Moriarty good to know you're well brother !

Thanks Miki, hope the same is true for both your sis and yourself!

It's been a while since I went clubbing (in the regular sense), but every now and then I check the forum for some break events and sometimes see your name there.

Keep it real, bro...hope to catch ya on the floor sometime.

Peace.

Sid

I think a lot more would get accomplished is a world without tact, especially these days when everyone is so (justifiably) paranoid about hurting everyone's feelings that nothing ever gets done.

I live as close to the edge of tact as I can, because if what I say pisses you off, I really don't care. Maybe you shouldn't get so pissed off that easily, douchebag.

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Originally posted by jennypie I've been drinking, lolololol.

HAY me too!one11!

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Originally posted by Kytracid Man created morality - Just like Man created the concept of God. It's all part of mankinds attempt to distance himself from the fact we are all animals.

Ohhhh, very nice POV taken from Nietzsche. I like that.

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Originally posted by Jem_hadar HAY me too!one11!

Jamie, it's 8 in the morning. On a monday. FFS....

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Originally posted by Dr. DAS Jamie, it's 8 in the morning. On a monday. FFS....

I meant last night, ie. when jennyapplepie wrote this.


and tho im actually drunk, i still *feel* drunk this morning! UGH.


I would simply love to call in sick. that would be so nice. . .

once i get my day going and grab my timmy's double double and bacon breakfast sandiwch, im sure things will pick up

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Originally posted by Jem_hadar once i get my day going and grab my timmy's double double and bacon breakfast sandiwch, im sure things will pick up

I work in a hotel, and therefore work some long and retarded hours. One of the perks though, is that all the food (bacon, eggs, sausage, toast, eggs benedict, pastries, juice, etc) from breakfasts in our conference centre are up for grabs once the client's brekkie has finished...usually around 8 or 9am. So every morning I have a hot breakfast and fresh coffee all I want. Today, the fucking noob steward just threw it all in the garbage! I'm soooo hungry!

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Originally posted by Kytracid Tact. Manners. Etiquette. Social conventions...hell, even morality. It's ALL learnt, taught or absorbed as a part of the human experience. None of it is innate. Human childern aren't born with the knowledege that pooping in public is wrong. Which is why they have to be potty trained. These are modifications we make / are forced to make to our behaviour because large segments of society deem it's 'the right way to behave'. Having tact doesn't really make us 'better' or 'more good' because these words are relative concepts used to judge another person, and the person(s) judging are relying on a singular perspective. One, which seeks to standardize, temper and regulate our behavior. Personally, I believe in two fundamental models of morality as outlined by Nietzsche in "Beyond Good and Evil" and "Genealogy of Morals". Man created morality - Just like Man created the concept of God. It's all part of mankinds attempt to distance himself from the fact we are all animals. Probably not the response / discussion the drunken threadstarter wanted, but there it is nonetheless.

Interesting point. I agree...mostly.

The reason I say mostly is because if man created morality, manners etc... then it must be innate (at least in some of us) no ? The difference is that being taught these things by others merely speeds up the learning curve (thank goodness).

Which is why I believe that no amount of conditioning can change who we are inside. Some of us have manners, some of us are rude as f*&^. Some are considerate of others, while many are selfish egotistical asses. And no amount of conditioning can convince those people otherwise. Some just 'feel' that they are right regardless of what others around them believe.


I agree with your entire point on judging others as 'better' being entirely subjegtive.

So to answer JennyPie, I (currently) believe that I would be a very similar person in a world without tact. (I would probably belch more in public)

Now I ask, do people who have tact do so because they are genuinely considerate of their environment, or because they are afraid of the reprecussions of being tactless ???


I feel that intent/motives should determine how/if a person is judged rather than action. (too bad it's impossible to truly know another person's intentions)

DEXTER!

This thread has Moral Hazard written all over it.

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Originally posted by Kytracid Tact. Manners. Etiquette. Social conventions...hell, even morality. It's ALL learnt, taught or absorbed as a part of the human experience. None of it is innate. Human childern aren't born with the knowledege that pooping in public is wrong. Which is why they have to be potty trained. These are modifications we make / are forced to make to our behaviour because large segments of society deem it's 'the right way to behave'. Having tact doesn't really make us 'better' or 'more good' because these words are relative concepts used to judge another person, and the person(s) judging are relying on a singular perspective. One, which seeks to standardize, temper and regulate our behavior. Personally, I believe in two fundamental models of morality as outlined by Nietzsche in "Beyond Good and Evil" and "Genealogy of Morals". Man created morality - Just like Man created the concept of God. It's all part of mankinds attempt to distance himself from the fact we are all animals. Probably not the response / discussion the drunken threadstarter wanted, but there it is nonetheless.

Don't you think that people are predisposed to being soft/firm, kind/mean, caring/selfish?

I agree that things like manners and etiquette are learned but morals? I'm not convinced.

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