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Posted by leph555 on Feb-04-2008 22:32:

Obama a Mac, Clinton a PC

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STYLES make fights � or so goes the boxing clich�. In 2008, they make presidential campaigns, too.

This is especially true for the two remaining Democrats, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. Reporters covering the candidates have already resorted to traditional analysis of style � fashion choices, manner of speaking, even the way they laugh. Yet, according to design experts, the candidates have left a clear blueprint of their personal style � perhaps even a window into their souls � through the Web sites they have created to raise money, recruit volunteers and generally meet-and-greet online.

On one thing, the experts seem to agree. The differences between hillaryclinton.com and barackobama.com can be summed up this way: Barack Obama is a Mac, and Hillary Clinton is a PC.

That is, Mr. Obama�s site is more harmonious, with plenty of white space and a soft blue palette. Its task bar is reminiscent of the one used at Apple�s iTunes site. It signals in myriad ways that it was designed with a younger, more tech-savvy audience in mind � using branding techniques similar to the ones that have made the iPod so popular.

�With Obama�s site, all the features and elements are seamlessly integrated, just like the experience of using a program on a Macintosh computer,� said Alice Twemlow, chairwoman of the M.F.A. program in design criticism at the School of Visual Arts (who is a Mac user).

It is designed, she said, even down to the playful logos that illustrate choices like, Volunteer or Register to Vote. She likened those touches to the elaborate, painstaking packaging Apple uses to woo its customers.

The linking of Mr. Obama with Mac and Mrs. Clinton with PCs has already become something of a theme during the primary. Early in the campaign, a popular YouTube parody of Apple�s �1984� Super Bowl ad made Mrs. Clinton the face of oppression. This week on The Huffington Post, Douglas T. Kendall, the founder of the Community Rights Counsel, a public interest law firm, made the connection more explicit.

But the designers believe the comparisons � but not perhaps the Orwellian overtones � are apt. In contrast to barackobama.com, Mrs. Clinton�s site uses a more traditional color scheme of dark blue, has sharper lines dividing content and employs cookie-cutter icons next to its buttons for volunteering, and the like.

�Hillary�s is way more hectic, it�s got all these, what look like parody ads,� said Ms. Twemlow, who is not a citizen and cannot vote in the election.

Jason Santa Maria, creative director of Happy Cog Studios, which designs Web sites, detected a basic breach of netiquette. �Hillary�s text is all caps, like shouting,� he said. There are �many messages vying for attention,� he said, adding, �Candidates are building a brand and it should be consistent.�

But Emily Chang, the cofounder of Ideacodes, a Web designing and consulting firm, detected consistent messages, and summed them up: �His site is more youthful and hers more regal.�

Mr. Obama�s site is almost universally praised. Even Martin Avila, the general manager of the company responsible for the Republican Ron Paul�s Web site, said simply, �Barack�s site is amazing.�

But the compliments are clearly double-edged.

While Apple�s ad campaign maligns the PC by using an annoying man in a plain suit as its personification, it is not clear that aligning with the trendy Mac aesthetic is good politics. The iPod may be a dominant music player, but the Mac is still a niche computer. PC, no doubt, would win the Electoral College by historic proportions (with Mac perhaps carrying Vermont).

While Mr. Santa Maria praised barackobama.com for having �this welcoming quality,� he added that it was �ethereal, vaporous and someone could construe it as nebulous.� He said there was a bit of the �Lifetime channel effect, you know, vasoline on the lens� to create a softer effect on the viewer. The �hectic� site that the Clinton campaign is offering could actually be quite strategic, exactly in step with her branding. After all, Mrs. Clinton repeatedly emphasizes how hard she will work for the average American �starting on Day 1.� If she comes across as energetic online, that may simply be her intention. If she shouts a bit more, typographically speaking, that may be the better to be heard.

Unlike the Republicans, the Democratic contenders have incorporated social-networking tools to their sites � allowing supporters to create their own groups, for example, though Mr. Obama is considered the pacesetter in that regard.

�Obama�s campaign gained attention here in the Bay area tech community early on when he launched the My.BarackObama.com portal that allowed for personal blogging from the public, messaging with other supporters, and a host of other tools,� Ms. Chang wrote in an e-mail message.

On the big Internet issues like copyright, Lawrence Lessig, a Stanford law professor who is supporting Mr. Obama, said there was �not a big difference on paper� between the two Democrats. Both tend to favor the users of the Internet over those who �own the pipes.� He is impressed by Mr. Obama�s proposal to �make all public government data available to everybody to use as they wish.�

In the long run, however, Mr. Lessig believes that it is the ability to motivate the electorate that matters, not simple matters of style. And he�s a Mac user from way back.


Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/04/t...gin&oref=slogin


Posted by iammesol on Feb-04-2008 22:44:

Funny, I'm a hardc0re Mac user and would've voted for Obama. Don't really know why anyone would write this though. Both of these candidates have gotten beyond too much publicity over irrelevant things.


Posted by RJT on Feb-04-2008 22:45:

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Originally posted by RJT
I'm voting for Morgan Freeman.


Posted by iammesol on Feb-04-2008 22:51:



My God if he was a choice there would be no doubt that he would get mine!


Posted by RJT on Feb-04-2008 22:52:

Write in.


Posted by mezzir on Feb-04-2008 22:57:

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Originally posted by iammesol


My God if he was a choice there would be no doubt that he would get mine!

do it!
i voted for him in 04, and with you and rob he'd be up to 3 votes already, putting him just behind ron paul!


Posted by iammesol on Feb-04-2008 22:57:

I'd rather not waste my time.


Posted by RJT on Feb-04-2008 22:59:

quote:
Originally posted by iammesol
I'd rather not waste my time.


Fuck you too, Sam.


Posted by jpisani on Feb-04-2008 23:03:

quote:
Originally posted by mezzir
do it!
i voted for him in 04, and with you and rob he'd be up to 3 votes already, putting him just ahead of ron paul!


fixed.


Posted by iammesol on Feb-04-2008 23:03:

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Originally posted by RJT
Fuck you too, Sam.


I love you Robert.


Posted by Lebezniatnikov on Feb-05-2008 01:31:

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Originally posted by jpisani
fixed.


Lol beat me to it.


Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Feb-05-2008 01:32:

Morgan Freeman could totally win an election.


Posted by smokeape on Feb-05-2008 01:33:

Chelsea Clinton was at an Army base campaigning for mom and spoke with a soldier who recently returned from Iraq.

She remarked, "Since you've been to war, what are you scared of now?

The Soldier replied, "Osama, Obama, and your momma."

And there you have it...


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Posted by Lebezniatnikov on Feb-05-2008 01:34:

quote:
Originally posted by smokeape
Chelsea Clinton was at an Army base campaigning for mom and spoke with a soldier who recently returned from Iraq.

She remarked, "Since you've been to war, what are you scared of now?

The Soldier replied, "Osama, Obama, and your momma."

And there you have it...


[[[smoke]]]



LOL!

[[[just kidding]]]


Posted by Clovis on Feb-05-2008 01:48:

quote:
Originally posted by smokeape
Chelsea Clinton was at an Army base campaigning for mom and spoke with a soldier who recently returned from Iraq.

She remarked, "Since you've been to war, what are you scared of now?

The Soldier replied, "Osama, Obama, and your momma."

And there you have it...


[[[smoke]]]



Good thing that kid is in the Army and not somewhere shooting crack.


Posted by smokeape on Feb-05-2008 01:49:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
Good thing that kid is in the Army and not somewhere shooting crack.


Yep, better shooting ragheads instead of crack. American hero as well.


[[[smoke]]]


Posted by Fibonacci on Feb-05-2008 01:51:

I can't believe that people actually get paid to write stupid crap like that. Get a real job, or write a real editorial.


Posted by bas on Feb-05-2008 01:52:

quote:
Originally posted by smokeape
Yep, better shooting ragheads instead of crack. American hero as well.


[[[smoke]]]

You're such white trash it's sad. It would be really funny if you were joking, but you're totally serious

One day I'm going to famous for inventing a device that will send only you back to 1952.


Posted by Clovis on Feb-05-2008 01:56:

quote:
Originally posted by smokeape
Yep, better shooting ragheads instead of crack. American hero as well.


[[[smoke]]]



It's people like this man that truly make America a fucking amazing place.


Posted by smokeape on Feb-05-2008 01:58:

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Originally posted by Clovis
It's people like this man that truly make America a fucking amazing place.


Oh, you're flying the French flag. Reminds me of the shortest book in the library. It's entitled "French War Heroes"


[[[smoke]]]


Posted by Lebezniatnikov on Feb-05-2008 01:59:

quote:
Originally posted by smokeape
Yep, better shooting ragheads instead of crack. American hero as well.


[[[smoke]]]


There are 300 million Americans, and you just gave them all a bad name.


Posted by bas on Feb-05-2008 02:00:

quote:
Originally posted by smokeape
Oh, you're flying the French flag. Reminds me of the shortest book in the library. It's entitled "French War Heroes"


[[[smoke]]]

Did you get an aneurysm coming up with that one? Take it easy with the big insults, you have kids to take care of.


Posted by Lebezniatnikov on Feb-05-2008 02:01:

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Originally posted by smokeape
Oh, you're flying the French flag. Reminds me of the shortest book in the library. It's entitled "French War Heroes"


[[[smoke]]]


No, the shortest book in the library would be "history that smokeape actually knows."

Seriously dude, wtf. Charlemagne, de Gaulle, Napoleon, Joan d'Arc, even Clovis I (who I'm assuming this Clovis is named after which is a far cry cooler than a monkey).

edit: I'm willing to bet you think John Wayne was an American war hero.


Posted by smokeape on Feb-05-2008 02:03:

quote:
Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
There are 300 million Americans, and you just gave them all a bad name.


Speak for youself if you're American. Rather see our young folks doing something for God and Country instead of doing crime and drugs out on our streets. Of course, making the world a better place may not be a priority in your book.


[[[smoke]]]


Posted by Lebezniatnikov on Feb-05-2008 02:04:

quote:
Originally posted by smokeape
Of course, making the world a better place may not be a priority in your book.


[[[smoke]]]


I'm in a Master's program for conflict resolution and international development. I'd say making the world a better place is pretty high in my book.


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