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911: Can mathematics shut up conspiracy theorists?

One thing that continues to bug is the video that the government release d to demonstrate that a plane hit the pentagon. As far as I can see, there is no visible plane. What made me curious is if it is possible for a plane(a 757) to be able to pass through the field of vision of the camera at the gas station, without being framed at all.

depends on three factors:

1: speed of aircraft

2: field of vision of the camera (most likely no more than 100m for a gas station security camera)

3: capture rate of the camera (most likely 1-2 fps for a gas station)

assuming 350 mph speed, the plane could travel almost 100m in between frames at 2fps and 160m at 1fps.

the aircraft is not even 50m long, so it is more than possible that it flew throught he field of vision inbetween frames

I would like to see a complete debunking of everything brought up in Loose Change Second Cut, as well as Zeitgeist.

I have feen some partial debunkings but many of the main points are not addressed.

Has anyone made a quality 1-2 hour documentary to debunk every point? I would love to see it.

Can anything shut up Conspiracy Theorists???

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Can anything shut up Conspiracy Theorists???

a dick in the mouth?

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Originally posted by Capitalizt Has anyone made a quality 1-2 hour documentary to debunk every point? I would love to see it.

No one has made a documentary proving that the world is round either, because just like a documentary to prove that 9-11 was NOT an "inside job", it is just not necessary.

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Originally posted by Capitalizt I would like to see a complete debunking of everything brought up in Loose Change Second Cut, as well as Zeitgeist. I have feen some partial debunkings but many of the main points are not addressed. Has anyone made a quality 1-2 hour documentary to debunk every point? I would love to see it.

Go read PKC's comments on the giant 911 thread. Between him and colonel here, they've done a good job at debunking a good chunk of the conspiracy.

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Originally posted by Capitalizt I would like to see a complete debunking of everything brought up in Loose Change Second Cut, as well as Zeitgeist. I have feen some partial debunkings but many of the main points are not addressed. Has anyone made a quality 1-2 hour documentary to debunk every point? I would love to see it.

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now, i know there's a "final cut" (which isnt that final apparently ) but this is the most recent debunking version.

Re: 911: Can mathematics shut up conspiracy theorists?

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Originally posted by Beatflux One thing that continues to bug is the video that the government release d to demonstrate that a plane hit the pentagon. As far as I can see, there is no visible plane. What made me curious is if it is possible for a plane(a 757) to be able to pass through the field of vision of the camera at the gas station, without being framed at all.

why is it this that "makes you curious"??

seriously, do you REALLY think it is possible to fire a missile at the pentagon, and then claim it was really a plane? are you that thick? do you really think people arriving on the scene would not be able to tell? how did all the dead bodies from that flight (that were matched via DNA) end up in the pentagon if they really didn't hit it? and we're not even touching on the couple of hundred freakin witnesses that saw a passenger jet hit the building

why on earth do people give two shits about a crappy video with all this other corroborating evidence?

it would simply be impossible to claim it as an aircrash if it were something else (unless of course you think the entire arm of government were in on it).

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN ... how did all the dead bodies from that flight (that were matched via DNA) end up in the pentagon if they really didn't hit it? ...

And even for the "troofers" who believe that there were no planes, how does one explain where the missing planes (AND the missing people from those planes) went? Four passenger jets with hundreds of people on them disappeared on 9-11. Does it really seem feasible that they ended up anywhere OTHER than where history says they did?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN seriously, do you REALLY think it is possible to fire a missile at the pentagon, and then claim it was really a plane? are you that thick?

Leave the ad hominems for another time, okay? I never said anything about a missile.

If you think that I'm a conspiracy theorist, then you're gravely mistaken.

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Originally posted by Beatflux Leave the ad hominems for another time, okay?

no. i reserve them specially for the 911 CTers.

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Originally posted by Beatflux I never said anything about a missile.

so what were you insinuating when you said something about the pentagon crash "bugged" you? the general CT consensus is that if it wasnt a plane, then it was a missile.

sorry if i was putting words in your mouth, but surely, if something is "bugging" you, you must have some alternative hypothesis if youre not satisfied with the generally accepted plane theory.

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Originally posted by Beatflux If you think that I'm a conspiracy theorist, then you're gravely mistaken.

again, why is it "bugging" you if youre not a conspiracy theorist?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN [[ LINK REMOVED ]] now, i know there's a "final cut" (which isnt that final apparently ) but this is the most recent debunking version.

quite possibly the best youtube video i have seen to date.

No.

Truthers just want a story, not work or thinking.

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp depends on three factors: 1: speed of aircraft 2: field of vision of the camera (most likely no more than 100m for a gas station security camera) 3: capture rate of the camera (most likely 1-2 fps for a gas station) assuming 350 mph speed, the plane could travel almost 100m in between frames at 2fps and 160m at 1fps. the aircraft is not even 50m long, so it is more than possible that it flew throught he field of vision inbetween frames

It also depends if the plane is wearing one of those fancy new invisibility cloaks.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6064620.stm

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Originally posted by atbell It also depends if the plane is wearing one of those fancy new invisibility cloaks. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6064620.stm

WOW!! I heard Willie Nelson said that the twin towers are still standing, and they have been draped with invisibility cloaks so as to keep the populace beliving that they did in fact collapse.....

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