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Why The Democrats Can Enter The General Elections Divided

Okay... As we all know on Super tuesday Obama surpassed the expectations of many analyst and performed well, maybe we can all agree that Obama was the true winner in Super tuesday.

Its too close to call the Dem race. Its a high possibility that Hillary and Barrack can go to the Dem convention without having the necessary delegates to win the nomination and it can all go down to the Super delegates.... that does that mean? All the high profile politicians and lawmakers will decided on who will be the nominee to represent their party for the general election. So we will see that both candidates, Obama and Clinton would need to compromise. This is truly bad news for the Dem party, because not democratic voters decide who will be the nominee, but politicians and lawmakers

We all know if it comes down to this, the loser will have a sour taste on their mouth because they really didnt "lose" and if it comes down to this I think Obama has an edge over Hillary. Many lawmakers are for Obama and certainly dont want a Clinton back in power. I think Keneddy, Kerry, Gore, Carter ( one of the most prominent voices of the party) will agree with me.

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Originally posted by LatinLover Okay... As we all know on Super tuesday Obama surpassed the expectations of many analyst and performed well, maybe we can all agree that Obama was the true winner in Super tuesday. Its too close to call the Dem race. Its a high possibility that Hillary and Barrack can go to the Dem convention without having the necessary delegates to win the nomination and it can all go down to the Super delegates.... that does that mean? All the high profile politicians and lawmakers will decided on who will be the nominee to represent their party for the general election. So we will see that both candidates, Obama and Clinton would need to compromise. This is truly bad news for the Dem party, because not democratic voters decide who will be the nominee, but politicians and lawmakers We all know if it comes down to this, the loser will have a sour taste on their mouth because they really didnt "lose" and if it comes down to this I think Obama has an edge over Hillary. Many lawmakers are for Obama and certainly dont want a Clinton back in power. I think Keneddy, Kerry, Gore, Carter ( one of the most prominent voices of the party) will agree with me.

A. Hillary has the edge in superdelegates as of right now.

B. I'm not so sure we won't have a nominee by mid-March.

C. How are the Dems in worse shape than the Republicans? McCain got boo'ed yesterday at the Conservative Political Action Convention, and James Dobson just endorsed Huckabee. You can write him off as a religious nut if you'd like, but he has a lot of sway among the 30 million evangelical voters that voted for Bush in '04.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov A. Hillary has the edge in superdelegates as of right now. B. I'm not so sure we won't have a nominee by mid-March. C. How are the Dems in worse shape than the Republicans? McCain got boo'ed yesterday at the Conservative Political Action Convention, and James Dobson just endorsed Huckabee. You can write him off as a religious nut if you'd like, but he has a lot of sway among the 30 million evangelical voters that voted for Bush in '04.

1. Please confirm your source that Hillary has an edge in superdelagates? (please not a phony article by some writer)

2. I expect for hillary to win by the time she reaches the convention

3. Did I ever say that the Dems are in a worse shape than the republicans?
Clearly if you ACTUALLY understand political strategy you know that McCain has 1. enough time to win over conservatives 2. he will have IMO even Romney support McCain ( so we wont be portrait as a sore loser, since Romney presidential ambitions dont end in this election)
3. believe it or nor some people might not like him within his own party, but you would see many of them rallying up for him in the general, even the most conservatives

So what if Huckabee has gotten endorse by this pastor? mathematically speaking it is IMPOSSIBLE for him to win these primaries He is not going to win Nor I expect him to be the VP, i could be worng. my sources tell me that the governor of florida, charlie crist is in the short list of candidates for VP. He is my governor, I think that well put it this way... not so good but just notice that he has followed McCain all over after the FL primaries took place

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov A. Hillary has the edge in superdelegates as of right now. B. I'm not so sure we won't have a nominee by mid-March. C. How are the Dems in worse shape than the Republicans? McCain got boo'ed yesterday at the Conservative Political Action Convention, and James Dobson just endorsed Huckabee. You can write him off as a religious nut if you'd like, but he has a lot of sway among the 30 million evangelical voters that voted for Bush in '04.

You are wrong on A. But I do agree with you. Republicans are the ones that are divided, not the Democrats.

Now if only republicans could elect Ron Paul to office....





















































oh who am i kidding?

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Originally posted by LatinLover 1. Please confirm your source that Hillary has an edge in superdelagates? (please not a phony article by some writer)

Why sure.

CNN:
Clinton 193
Obama 108

AP:
Clinton 213
Obama 139

DCW:
Clinton 218
Obama 124

CBS:
Clinton 211
Obama 128

A simple google search would have sufficed.

You can even count them individually for yourself if you'd like:
http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegate-list.html

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2. I expect for hillary to win by the time she reaches the convention

I really am convinced that Hillary needed a big win on Super Tuesday and didn't get it. She is facing a rough weekend, with losses looming in Nebraska, Louisiana, and Washington state, and it doesn't get any easier in the Potomac primaries on Tuesday where she is likely to lose DC, Maryland, and the US Virgin Islands and only carry Virginia by a slim margin.

Obama is gaining momentum, and he is out gaining her in fundraising. The Clintons had to loan $5 million of their personal fortune in order to sustain the campaign through this week... they've had some moderate fundraising success since Tuesday but even that has been overshadowed by gains made by Obama.

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3. Did I ever say that the Dems are in a worse shape than the republicans?

No, but you certainly implied it.

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Clearly if you ACTUALLY understand political strategy you know that McCain has 1. enough time to win over conservatives 2. he will have IMO even Romney support McCain ( so we wont be portrait as a sore loser, since Romney presidential ambitions dont end in this election) 3. believe it or nor some people might not like him within his own party, but you would see many of them rallying up for him in the general, even the most conservatives

Well you are the burgeoning political strategist, so why don't you tell me. What does it say about Republican party unity that McCain got booed by the base at the CPAC convention yesterday? That Romney's speech was interrupted by a dozen applause breaks? There is a huge split in the GOP right now between moral and fiscal conservatives, and it will only continue to widen as people like Rush and James Dobson claim that they cannot in good conscience vote for the Republican nominee. As the political strategy expert... what do you think that party dissent will do to turnout if the Democratic nominee is a more religious, more stirring, more invigorating, and more anti-war candidate?

McCain might be competitive against Hillary, but it would be tough for him to compete against Barack, who is already chipping away at the Republican's stranglehold over the independent religious vote.

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So what if Huckabee has gotten endorse by this pastor?

Do you know who that pastor is? Dobson is the head of the Family Values clique, which claims to represent 100 million Americans... in other words - he is the political wing of Christian evangelism. If he says he would rather stay home than vote for McCain, his people will listen.

You're right that Huckabee doesn't have a chance, and that is precisely what was significant about Dobsen's endorsement. He endorsed a candidate that doesn't have a chance instead of rallying behind the Republican Party nominee for the sake of beating a Democrat in November. That's a pretty fundamental (lol) split in the party.

It's hard not to lol at this if you're a Dem:

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Ann Coulter wasn't officially invited to speak at this year's Conservative Political Action Conference -- many on the right were still upset at the bad publicity she brought last year after calling John Edwards a "******." But to no one's surprise, she showed up anyway, commandeering the spotlight. Speaking before the Young America's Foundation, who invited her over CPAC's objections, the conservative author spent most of her time viciously attacking her party's new presumptive presidential nominee, Sen. John McCain. No topic was out of bounds, including the five years McCain spent as a prisoner of war in Vietnam. "I know that [he was a POW]," Coulter declared, "because he mentions it more often than Kerry mentions he was in Vietnam. There were hundreds of POWs and we are not going to make all of them president. Can't we find a POW who doesn't want to shut down Guantanamo." That was mild. Take Coulter's rationale for supporting Sen. Hillary Clinton's candidacy over McCain's: "A serious case could be made to support Hillary Clinton," she declared, offering the analogy of Winston Churchill backing Stalin in the fight against Hitler in WWII. "I'm not equating Hillary Clinton to Stalin, and if I did I apologize to Stalin's decedents... I'm not comparing McCain to Hitler. Hitler had a coherent tax policy." Later, she added, "The only way I can promise that I won't vote for Hillary Clinton is if John McCain appoints her as his vice president." Remarkably, Coulter's comments reflected what conservative radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh predicted would be the reception McCain would receive from the antagonistic mainstream media. "Once [McCain]'s got this sewn up you're going to see the Drive-By Media start doing stories on his age, and they're not going to be mean, they are not going to be vicious, they're going to be almost sorrowful," said Limbaugh. "I am telling you, if that doesn't work, they're going to go after this age business, and they'll do it almost regretfully." And indeed, Coulter speech contained repeated subtle and not so subtle digs at McCain's age. "He has been in the Senate for about 100 years," she said (he's actually 71), long enough "to vote on the Spanish-American War." She even declared, playing off the mutual admiration between McCain and the media, that "[he] is working for the New York Times obituary." Coulter ripped him over policy issues as well, taking on his signature legislation McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform, as well as his vote against President Bush's tax cuts, and his stance on climate change. In the process, she contrasted the Arizona Republican with the GOP candidates that he bested for the presidential nomination. "McCain and [Mitt] Romney are mirror opposites of one another," said Coulter. "Romney is a conservative who had to win votes from liberals in Massachusetts. McCain is a liberal who had to win votes from conservatives in Arizona." As for former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani: He "enthusiastically supported torturing terrorists," she said to great applause. "McCain hysterically opposes dripping water down the terrorist's noses." And what if the unthinkable happens, and President McCain is inaugurated? I've led an impeachment movement before, Coulter said, and "I can lead another one."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/...it_n_85778.html

Good luck in November guys!

Your future is deportation back to Mexico either way, so what's the difference which party gets precedence in this years publicity contest?

Obama is up in 6 of the next 7 contests:

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpo..._guide_to_3.php

He's up 19 in Maryland and an unexpected 20 in Virginia (most people figured VA would go to Hillary). And in DC... well, let's just say polling would be a waste of time.

This could give Obama a huge bump going into the high profile contests in Ohio and Pennsylvania, where conventional wisdom suggests Hillary holds an advantage.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Your future is deportation back to Mexico either way, so what's the difference which party gets precedence in this years publicity contest?

Since when do American citizens get deported?

Lebezniatnikov all i got to say is that you are wrong in everything you are saying. I mean all conservatives just hate the fact that McCain has reached out to the other side on controversial issues
But does that mean if they have to chose between McCain or Hillary or Obama they are going to vote for the democratic candidate? NO! As I said McCain has more than enough time to win over the conservatives and people like Romney, Gingrich, Huckabee ( which basically he is out of the race) Paul, are going to rally up for him.

Yes I know who that pastor is and NO! that is not going to help huckabee win the nomination. MATHEMATICALLY IT IS IMPOSSIBLE, HE IS OUT!!! That endorsement can just help up boost his VP nomination. Thats it! But for this primary it is irrelevant. I Think that Romney has a chance in taking the VP spot to please conservatives

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Originally posted by LatinLover Since when do American citizens get deported? Lebezniatnikov all i got to say is that you are wrong in everything you are saying. I mean all conservatives just hate the fact that McCain has reached out to the other side on controversial issues But does that mean if they have to chose between McCain or Hillary or Obama they are going to vote for the democratic candidate? NO! As I said McCain has more than enough time to win over the conservatives and people like Romney, Gingrich, Huckabee ( which basically he is out of the race) Paul, are going to rally up for him. Yes I know who that pastor is and NO! that is not going to help huckabee win the nomination. MATHEMATICALLY IT IS IMPOSSIBLE, HE IS OUT!!! That endorsement can just help up boost his VP nomination. Thats it! But for this primary it is irrelevant. I Think that Romney has a chance in taking the VP spot to please conservatives

Have you even been paying attention to this election cycle? Romney certainly won't be McCain's nominee - those two men despise each other and Romney is already talking publicly about running for President in 2012 no matter who wins.

And like I already said, those endorsements of Huckabee aren't practical; they're symbolic. They symbolize the extent to which there is a rift in the GOP. I can't believe you don't see that.

How can McCain "win over" the conservatives when he is not in line with the core beliefs on abortion, immigration, campaign finance, gay marriage, the economy, and stem cell research? Are you suggesting that he is going to flip positions in order to placate the base? Because that will surely piss off independents, who constitute a large part of his current support.

But I have to admit, I did laugh at your "conservatives hate that McCain reached out to the other side" on campaign finance - damn those politicians that work together to try and limit the role of lobbyists and corporations in elections.

Going for nine wins in a row... the tide is turning.

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Obama Wins Maine By Large Margin, Signaling Dark Stretch Ahead For Hillary Camp By Greg Sargent - February 10, 2008, 6:07PM CNN and MSNBC have just called Maine for Obama, giving him another sizable victory in a state that was supposed to act as a check on his momentum after yesterday's trio of landslide wins. Instead, tonight's outcome gave him another burst of forward motion in a month that's shaping up as a very dark one indeed for Hillary. With 70% reporting, Obama had 58% to Hillary's 41%. The surprisingly big victory for Obama came on the same day as the Hillary campaign signaled a recognition of its travails by announcing a shuffling of their inner circle, replacing campaign manager and longtime loyalist Patti Solis Doyle with longtime Hillary confidant Maggie Williams. Obama's victory effectively left Hillary advisers grappling with the possibility that the worst case scenario that they'd been anticipating for some time could come true: The prospect of no victories for the whole month of February. This coming Tuesday, Obama could very well sweep the Potomac Primary -- Virginia, Maryland, and Washington, D.C. Obama's prospects are also pretty good in Wisconsin a week later, because he can run especially well in two major Dem strongholds, the left-wing college town of Madison and the urban center of Milwaukee, as well as in other locales. That leaves the Hillary campaign potentially staring across a bleak February landscape all the way to March 4th for a real shot at turning the narrative of the race around -- a grim set of circumstances that Hillary advisers have been anticipating for some time. Time and again in this race, though, Hillary has had her back to the wall, only to find that the female vote, perhaps driven by the sight of Hillary on the verge of defeat, has rallied around her and changed the story-line of the race. Women helped drive her surprise victory in New Hampshire, and were an instrumental part of her winning coalition of female, Latino, working class and older voters that propelled her to key victories in big states on Feb. 5th. The question now is how strong Hillary's coalition will prove in March, in the face of whatever momentum Obama builds coming out of what are expected to be repeated victories throughout the rest of the month. Of course, it's perfectly possible that whatever momentum he has, the proportional system will ensure that this race grinds on all the way until the convention. Advisers from both campaigns have predicted this outcome. And super-delegates are another wild card. Which is to say, as big as Obama's victory was tonight and yesterday, and while he's in a strong position, it's still anyone's guess how this comes out.

http://www.tpmelectioncentral.com

Ann Coulter should be sent to Guantanamo and locked up.

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Originally posted by Clovis Ann Coulter should be sent to Guantanamo and locked up.

nah. her rants are about amusing as pat robertson and jerry falwell rants

i just can't see how the reps will win the next election, even with mccain as their nominee. the fact that mccain is bending over so much towards liberal to attract moderate votes is showing how much disgrunted most americans are over republicans

Because the Republicans helped galvanize our nation's new generation onto the idea of complete and utter division, and the Democrats sealed the deal.

We've made a weapon.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Because the Republicans helped galvanize our nation's new generation onto the idea of complete and utter division, and the Democrats sealed the deal. We've made a weapon.

They can't run on security this time around. Thats the only reason why Bush won a second term.

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