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Posted by nefardec on Feb-11-2008 16:29:

'epic' protests - (re: L.R.H.)

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinew...tests_worldwide

quote:
The Internet group Anonymous today held protests critical of the Church of Scientology. The protests marked what would have been the 49th birthday of Lisa McPherson, who is claimed to be a victim of the Church of Scientology's practices. Lisa died in 1995 during a running of what Scientologists refer to as an Introspection Rundown, a procedure intended to help Church members deal with a psychotic or deeply traumatic event.

Protests were planned throughout the day in 14 countries and over 50 different cities. The estimation of total protesters world wide for Feb. 10, 2008 is 9,250 people.

Wikinews had correspondents at a number of protest locations to report on the events. This article was updated throughout the day with reports from around the globe.





Posted by wizniz on Feb-11-2008 16:34:

i was heart broken when i looked at the calendar and saw it is the 11th...

damn you slothly college life i was going to go


Posted by Abercrombie on Feb-11-2008 16:38:

Here's a clip from Toronto yesterday's



"Free Katie Holmes, Free Katie Holmes, Free Katie Holmes"

More Toronto clips;








Posted by wienerschnitzel on Feb-11-2008 16:42:

lol i didn't realize there was a scientology church on (queen?) is that the street? ((sorry it's been a while)) i used to get my hair cut at house of lords..


Posted by Abercrombie on Feb-11-2008 16:45:

quote:
Originally posted by wienerschnitzel
lol i didn't realize there was a scientology church on (queen?) is that the street? ((sorry it's been a while)) i used to get my hair cut at house of lords..


They renovated it recently, so now you can see clearly through its glass windows. They had a secretive image, and they just changed it to pretend they have nothing to hide.


Posted by RJT on Feb-11-2008 17:12:

http://www.cbs58.com/index.php?aid=1753

quote:
MILWAUKEE-Protestors gathered outside the Church of Scientology in Milwaukee today, calling the religion founded by L. Ron Hubbard a cult.

It was organized by a group that calls itself "Anonymous" and was part of demonstrations world wide.

The Church of Scientology said the protest was a relgious hate crime and in a lenghthy statement cautioned people about a group that hides its members' identities behind masks of computer anonymity.

Protestors, however, who did brave sub zero temperatures in Milwaukee Sunday did give names to CBS 58 when interviewed.

They told our crews that Scientologists bully anyone who speaks out against them.

Casey Payne says, "I just hope that the general public educates themselves. They are a fine line between church and cult."

The protest is in memory church member Lisa McPherson who died under suspicious circumstances back in December of 1995 at the age of 36.


It was fucking cold - let me tell, that is some fucking dedication right there.


Posted by nefardec on Feb-11-2008 17:31:

http://deathboy.livejournal.com/1082404.html


quote:
That was one of the more awesome things I've ever seen.



Anonymous vs Scientology, the London Protests

Showed up to Blackfriars, minutes from the Scientology headquarters, hooked up with the boys, smoked a cig (initially with my mask on... BAD IDEA) then wandered up the road and FUCK ME there's already about 200 people there.



This GREW.

It was the perfect internet anarchist protest. We shouted slogans. People with ghetto blasters played announcements. We shouted at THEM. People with megaphones addressed the crowd. Sometimes we cheered and clapped, sometimes we shouted "TL;DR!"



One guy in a full-on V outfit made an announcement in a very dull and proper fashion that none of us could hear properly. We were busy heckling him (anonymous has no problem with criticising anonymous), when he reaches the end of his speech and presses play on a boombox.



RICK ASTLEY: NEVER GONNA GIVE YOU UP

The crowd went fucking wild.

500 people rick-rolling the UK Scientology head office. It was at this point I saw the corners of the cops' mouths twitch into smiles as they realised it was ok: we were from the internets.

There were numerous demands for "CAKE!" - Shortly followed by much more enthusiastic cries of "THE CAKE IS A LIE!" ... Then someone came round with cakes, prompting happy exclamations that "THE CAKE IS REAL!"



A chant of "This is religion!" (pointing to the left) "THIS IS A CULT!" (pointing to the scientology building), repeating - I didn't ever work out what the original point of this was, other than to underscore that scientology is not a religion, but then the mounted police showed up to herd us out of the road so that traffic could pass.

At which point, it became "THIS IS A HORSE!" (point at horse) "THIS IS A CULT!" (point at scientolgy building)



"HORSE!" (point) "CULT!" (point) "HORSE! ... CULT! ... HORSE! ... CULT!"

... and several renditions of the "I love horses, best of all the animals" song.

A friend had a banner with "SCIENTOLOGY MAKES ME A SAD PANDA!" which the media snapped a lot, we chanted it for a bit, then started demanding to know why Xenu/Tom Cruise/Scientology hated pandas.





The irreverent nature of it all kept everyone, police included, smiling, big-time

At the Blackfriars site, though, while a great attendance, and the scientology lot looking very uncomfortable, there were precious few non-protesters around. The media coverage was good, but it was an area of town that's pretty dead on a sunday - the parts of london in which Big Business deals become ghost towns at the weekend, particularly sundays.

After a while, our lot decided to go To The Boozer.

We packed up and headed off to go to the Tottenham Court Road offices, by way of a pub. At the time, we were early-leavers (fuck it, you know, sunday, pub) and were in two minds as to whether or not there would be many people arriving at the TCR site, which, unlike the Blackfriars office, is just a 1-unit recruitement building.



So, we travelled, got cash out, went and knocked back a few pints and a few shots and as it neared the announced time to hit the TCR site, we started to see anon stream past - V masks and banners slowly increasing. "Shit - they ARE coming", we thought.

We left the pub. As we rounded the corner, we realised that while we'd been chucking a few drinks back, a good 3/4 of the Blackfriars lot had fucking accumulated outside the TCR site!



The sound of the crowd, chants, shouts, drummers, loud-hailers, all sprung up as we turned the corner. Very well set up police presence, they'd let anon take over one side of the road, but behind a strict police line, but the cops were (as I've always seen in london) organised, calm and polite - pointing out where we should join the protest, when it was safe to cross, even (possibly aware that in masks, we couldn't see fuck all, sometimes).

A couple of us stopped to chat outside the door to a shop before joining the main body of the crowd and after the shop staff pleasantly asked us if we could move aside, a policeman also caught our eye and, again, politely, asked if we could move down and explained why.



Very professional, calm, reasonable and respectful. Absolutely top marks for the cops on every single count. Great lads. Quite a few sneaky smiles in evidence, too

The TCR gathering was very different in nature to the Blackfriars protest - eeeeeversoslightly more threatening. There was an air of anger that hadn't been present at the first site, not violent or nasty, but powerfully more intimidating. The scientologists, as at Blackfriars did not dare stray far from their door, despite the police presence (which was much more visible).

At one point, someone in the building next door, a casino, put up a makeshift sign:



... to much applause.

The TCR protest was a lot more like a football match, more solid sloganistic shouting, taking lots of football motifs and inserting scientology terms "de de de-de-de, de-de-de-DE... XENU!" being a constant, "you're a CULT! and you know you are, you're a CULT! and you know you are" etc.



There was less Rick-Rolling than before, but some did indeed happen, along with obligatory Fresh Prince of Bel Air action, but again, less taken up by the whole crowd.

One of the more enthralling and intimidating chants that kept occuring was ripped off 300:

"ANONYMOUS! WHAT IS YOUR PROFESSION?"

500 people: "AROOUGH! ARROOUGH! ARROUUGH!"



Throughout, the bizarre nature of it all, the surreality of memes that half the crowd didn't know, but much more surprisingly, the other half DID know maintained an air of light-heartedness and good nature that kept the mileu from ever getting too surly.

I can't remember the source, but there's some sci-fi story I've read where the conclusion reads along the lines of "They could withstand the fiecest of our weapons, they could defeat us intellectually, but in the end, I think they died of sheer culture shock" - the looks on the faces of the scientologists when faced with a crowd in which a lone voice shouts:

"I HEAR TOM CRUISE HATES MUDKIPS!"

(all) "NOOOOOOOOOOO!"

... how do you fight that?

How do you, ideologically speaking, defeat a crowd that is enthusiastically demanding that you "DO A BARREL ROLL! DO A BARREL ROLL!!" ?



I found myself very pleased about being british. There was zero attempt by the scientologists to engage the crowd, they knew fine well that they were not going to get anywhere that way and kept the police between them and us, but it was very polite and proper and only the sliiiightest bit mob-mentality, but that bit was nicely defrayed when someone grabbed a loud-hailer and shouted something a bit offensive, they were booed down with shouts of "FAIL!" and for every moment of vague menace, there was something hilarious.

The protest was peaceful, the police were respectful, and London pwned the world in attendance.




http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2394/2256207492_88ee281f42.jpg?v=0


Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Feb-11-2008 17:35:

Contrary to what some naysayers might believe, the Internet is great for coordinating offline action. We're only seeing the beginning of what it can do.


Posted by nefardec on Feb-11-2008 17:38:

yeah the london protest seems especially well-mannered and hilarious


i don't know about effectiv, yet, however


Posted by RJT on Feb-11-2008 17:45:

quote:
We were busy heckling him (anonymous has no problem with criticising anonymous), when he reaches the end of his speech and presses play on a boombox.



RICK ASTLEY: NEVER GONNA GIVE YOU UP

The crowd went fucking wild.

500 people rick-rolling the UK Scientology head office. It was at this point I saw the corners of the cops' mouths twitch into smiles as they realised it was ok: we were from the internets.


I lol'd so hard at that part, particularly at "500 people rick-rolling the UK Scientology head office."

Awesome.


Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Feb-11-2008 17:47:

LOL. Largest rick-rolling ever?


Posted by RJT on Feb-11-2008 17:49:

quote:
Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
LOL. Largest rick-rolling ever?


Oh man, I just hope someone from Guiness was there - that needs to be an official record.


Posted by Dr. DAS on Feb-11-2008 17:56:

quote:
Originally posted by wienerschnitzel
lol i didn't realize there was a scientology church on (queen?) is that the street? ((sorry it's been a while)) i used to get my hair cut at house of lords..


Yonge, South of Charles.


Posted by noikeee on Feb-11-2008 18:03:

i'm surprised they reached this point.

either way, i'm not sure the "potential" the internet has for gathering offline random events is necessarily a good thing.


Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Feb-11-2008 18:04:

quote:
Originally posted by noikeee
either way, i'm not sure the "potential" the internet has for gathering offline random events is necessarily a good thing.

Why is that?


Posted by noikeee on Feb-11-2008 18:10:

- mob-mentality and a chaotic atmosphere, possibly leading into violent/aggressive acts. didn't happen this time, but could.

- the fact that these protests, considered acceptable by the internets, are against an institution that calls itself a religion (although we all know that's a joke). there's a fine line between this and religious intolerance.


Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Feb-11-2008 18:12:

quote:
Originally posted by noikeee
- mob-mentality and a chaotic atmosphere, possibly leading into violent/aggressive acts. didn't happen this time, but could.

Why would that happen more with Internet-organized protests than ones organized by conventional means?

quote:
- the fact that these protests, considered acceptable by the internets, are against an institution that calls itself a religion (although we all know that's a joke). there's a fine line between this and religious intolerance.

Protests are still part of free speech when they protest against a protected activity.


Posted by noikeee on Feb-11-2008 18:17:

quote:
Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Why would that happen more with Internet-organized protests than ones organized by conventional means?


My impression of 4chan people is that half of them are unbalanced weirdos. I don't get the same impression from most conventional organizations.

quote:
Protests are still part of free speech when they protest against a protected activity.


I'm not saying these protests should be forbidden, just that organizing anything that goes deeper than these could be a bad idea and cause more harm than good.


Posted by Abercrombie on Feb-11-2008 18:21:

Scientologists get Rick-Rolled clip;


Posted by nefardec on Feb-11-2008 18:59:

quote:
Originally posted by noikeee
- mob-mentality and a chaotic atmosphere, possibly leading into violent/aggressive acts. didn't happen this time, but could.

- the fact that these protests, considered acceptable by the internets, are against an institution that calls itself a religion (although we all know that's a joke). there's a fine line between this and religious intolerance.



i'm sorry , but this is not religious intolerance - it's not the religion that they are against, but possible criminal acts...



religious intolerance is a bad thing when it is state-sponsored and enforced


free citizens ought to have the right to be intolerant, whether you like it or not

it's like the practice of ostracism in greek democracy





also
i really like the subtle connection of rick astley's lyrics with anon's gripes against scientology


Posted by Clovis on Feb-11-2008 19:02:

I'll once again agree with RJT's assessment of Scientology as an "Idiot Filter".


Posted by noikeee on Feb-11-2008 19:04:

fine, i do think free speech should be as free as possible

but i'll take advantage of that free speech to label the 4chan guys as borderline ****s for being borderline intolerant


Posted by tubularbills on Feb-11-2008 19:58:

quote:
Originally posted by Abercrombie
Scientologists get Rick-Rolled clip;



lol whoa that's crazy


Posted by Nrg2Nfinit on Feb-11-2008 20:19:

lol yeah.. they sure showed em!

hahahha


Posted by wizniz on Feb-11-2008 20:22:

quote:
Originally posted by noikeee
i'm surprised they reached this point.

either way, i'm not sure the "potential" the internet has for gathering offline random events is necessarily a good thing.


you're ignoring the fact that people have free will...

the people participating in the protests are there because they agree with anon's gripes. if the gripes were immature and violent, i guarantee there wouldn't be many participants...


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